trying slow evaporation method ...

[1Starway7]

I mean great that you asked AI but what’s holding you back to just try it ? Especially when you’re combining it with harmalas I suspect it’s going to work nicely, just like the fumarate works to a certain degree.

I intend to try it sublingualy in near future ..But im just getting over a viral cold...ive been getting post nasel drip and intermitent coughing..every night for a week.... and want to wait till it resides......before i play .... Guinea pig......besides this would be a ...sublingual or oral test... and that means taking rue....
oraly.. im fairly shure it would be harmless citric acid and DMT... are pretty inocent..
im not in a hurry...Ill try it when time is right...
personaly....

Honestly... i really doubt it will work sublingualy... but surprises have happened...

 

[1Starway7]

I intend to try it sublingualy in near future ..But im just getting over a viral cold...ive been getting post nasel drip and intermitent coughing..every night for a week.... and want to wait till it resides......before i play .... Guinea pig......besides this would be a ...sublingual or oral test... and that means taking rue....
oraly.. im fairly shure it would be harmless citric acid and DMT... are pretty inocent..
im not in a hurry...Ill try it when time is right...
personaly....

Honestly... i really doubt it will work sublingualy... but surprises have happened...

Ok now im going to desolve 40 or 50 mgs newer.... clean white dmt.... into distilled water and pinch of citric acid.....
the mix gets clearer as its mixed... looks much better than that old stuff...!


can dmt salts work sublingualy?


Yes,
DMT salts can be administered sublingually, and this method is being explored in clinical studies. The sublingual route bypasses first-pass metabolism in the liver and stomach, allowing the DMT to enter the bloodstream directly, which makes it an effective administration method.
The sublingual route involves placing the substance under the tongue, allowing it to be absorbed through the mucous membranes directly into the bloodstream. This method avoids the digestive system and the initial metabolic processes in the liver, which can break down DMT when taken orally without an MAO inhibitor. Research is exploring the potential of this administration method in clinical settings.

 

[1Starway7]

Ok now im going to desolve 40 or 50 mgs newer.... clean white dmt.... into distilled water and pinch of citric acid.....
the mix gets clearer as its mixed... looks much better than that old stuff...!


can dmt salts work sublingualy?


Yes,
DMT salts can be administered sublingually, and this method is being explored in clinical studies. The sublingual route bypasses first-pass metabolism in the liver and stomach, allowing the DMT to enter the bloodstream directly, which makes it an effective administration method.
The sublingual route involves placing the substance under the tongue, allowing it to be absorbed through the mucous membranes directly into the bloodstream. This method avoids the digestive system and the initial metabolic processes in the liver, which can break down DMT when taken orally without an MAO inhibitor. Research is exploring the potential of this administration method in clinical settings.

Test .... only using 30 or 40 mgs of spice crystals.....[barely one vaping dose].....in bottom of shot glass.. in pictures above...using 100 percent pure citric acid crystals...

Well so far after ...water evaped out..no noticable crystals yet].. but my new ..citrate dmt ... appears ...[clear]...colorless in citrate form..... on bottom of shot glass ...after couple days of drying..

The much cleaner .. citrate spice.. is very clear..... like half dryed glue....in bright light looks like tiny bumps that ...under a microscope... could be the beginning of crystals?
so far it seems to be doing the same thing the older oxadized more impure dmt did....thickening up like a glue...? but its staying fairly clear...

 

[Transform]

It's not at all surprising to see the lack of crystallisation, as I've explained before. I think DMT citrate is too water-soluble for crystallisation unless, perhaps, you manage to weigh out both the DMT and the citric to the exact correct stoichiometry. I'd suggest using a poorer solvent and/or a different acid, or start weighing things out really accurately. Fumaric acid might work.

 

[1Starway7]

It's not at all surprising to see the lack of crystallisation, as I've explained before. I think DMT citrate is too water-soluble for crystallisation unless, perhaps, you manage to weigh out both the DMT and the citric to the exact correct stoichiometry. I'd suggest using a poorer solvent and/or a different acid, or start weighing things out really accurately. Fumaric acid might work.

I agree citrate is much more water soulable.....but if someone ....wants dmt citrate for ...oral use...or posibly sublingual use .. ..crystilized or not .its still equaly effective....in a fairly pure clear citrate mass.. like in my shot glass photos above.. ..using 100 percent citric acid crystals .. instead of a ..less pure dmt orange juice mix in a shot glass...i would choose the more pure .. dmt..citric acid mix...containing no sugar or other things like perservitives found in orange juice...
Besides ...storing dmt citrate in capsules ....once the water is compleatly evaporated ...[ the once sticky dmt citrate mass].. when dryed.. looses almost all of its stickyness and can be.... form/ rolled.... between your fingers and dropped into a capsull for storrage... might a convienient way for oral tripping...combined with a little rue or harmalla tea ...
Wouldent be surprised the dmt citrate capsule stored properly could keep for months or longer for convienent future use...

for dosage control ... first...weigh the dmt on scale... before desolving it into the acidic water and capsulizing it ..then write small ...mg numbers].. on the capsuls....!
try to store in cool room temperature...but [no wory]...even if it melts [its already in the capsule]... and dosage is labled!

found this on storrage...
AI Overview

......In general, a drug in its
salt form will store longer and be more stable than its freebase form.
This enhanced stability is a primary reason why nearly half of all clinically used drugs are formulated as salts.
.....
below are one.. movie clip...and 2 still photos

If you cant get the movie clip on left to work...[click on black band below picture..then /click .....save....in upper left corner...then click pop up .upper right corner... ] ........
or...... just look at the still pictures of ....my older oxyadized... [slightly impure]... dmt salt]]] ..

they are [same pictures] ..but the clip shows me tilting the dish and the salt is soo dry ...you hear.. and see ...it rateling around like candy... could it get dry enough to turn into powder?

so in second picture i broke the peices into smaller peices to hopefully dry further.. ..

 

[1Starway7]

I agree citrate is much more water soulable.....but if someone ....wants dmt citrate for ...oral use...or posibly sublingual use .. ..crystilized or not .its still equaly effective....in a fairly pure clear citrate mass.. like in my shot glass photos above.. ..using 100 percent citric acid crystals .. instead of a ..less pure dmt orange juice mix in a shot glass...i would choose the more pure .. dmt..citric acid mix...containing no sugar or other things like perservitives found in orange juice...
Besides ...storing dmt citrate in capsules ....once the water is compleatly evaporated ...[ the once sticky dmt citrate mass].. when dryed.. looses almost all of its stickyness and can be.... form/ rolled.... between your fingers and dropped into a capsull for storrage... might a convienient way for oral tripping...combined with a little rue or harmalla tea ...
Wouldent be surprised the dmt citrate capsule stored properly could keep for months or longer for convienent future use...

for dosage control ... first...weigh the dmt on scale... before desolving it into the acidic water and capsulizing it ..then write small ...mg numbers].. on the capsuls....!
try to store in cool room temperature...but [no wory]...even if it melts [its already in the capsule]... and dosage is labled!

found this on storrage...
AI Overview

......In general, a drug in its
salt form will store longer and be more stable than its freebase form.
This enhanced stability is a primary reason why nearly half of all clinically used drugs are formulated as salts.
.....
below are one.. movie clip...and 2 still photos

If you cant get the movie clip on left to work...[click on black band below picture..then /click .....save....in upper left corner...then click pop up .upper right corner... ] ........
or...... just look at the still pictures of ....my older oxyadized... [slightly impure]... dmt salt]]] ..

they are [same pictures] ..but the clip shows me tilting the dish and the salt is soo dry ...you hear.. and see ...it rateling around like candy... could it get dry enough to turn into powder?

so in second picture i broke the peices into smaller peices to hopefully dry further.. ..

.the dryer the salt gets.......the more cleanly it lifts off the glass..very little scraping needed... What i think is happening is ...[ very..Slow crystalization] ... only it doesnt look like fancy crystals....booth the dmt/and the citric acid are trying to crystalize .......or the ....[dmt citrate ].... is crystalizin g VERY....SLOWLY...because...after observation over almost one weeks time ... dmt citrate lifts off the glass surface on to...[ its self ] drying and hardening..causing little islands of clean bare glass to appear as it turns into hardening lumps of dmt citrate.... Its been slow drying for almost a week .....[its handelable now in hard non sticky chunks].....and it may get so dry.... it will crush into a hande able powder that could be weiged and stored in capsuls... DMT Citrate should store convienintly a long time in capsuls...

.the dryer the salt gets.......the more cleanly it lifts off the glass..very little scraping needed... What i think is happening is ...[ very..Slow crystalization] ... only it doesnt look like fancy crystals....booth the dmt/and the citric acid are trying to crystalize .......or the ....[dmt citrate ].... is crystalizing VERY....SLOWLY...because...after observation over almost one weeks time ... dmt citrate lifts off the glass surface on to...[ its self ] drying and hardening..causing little islands of clean bare glass to appear on bottom of dish.. as it turns into hardening lumps of dmt citrate.... Its been slow drying for almost a week .....[its handelable now in hard non sticky chunks].....and it may get so dry.... it will crush into a hande able powder that could be weiged and stored in capsuls... DMT Citrate [for oral ..[or posibly sublingual],..use should store convienintly a long time in capsuls...

there are only two reasonably safe ingrediants in this mix....extracted dmt freebase]..... and 100 percent food grade citric acid]...oraly one might have to take a reversable maio like in a tea 30 minutes befor taking capsule

I think... [in past]...a lot of people who have evaporated DMT salt in citrate water were turned off by the gooey sticky appearence of it at first... after drying over night..and didnt take the drying process any further..because the wanted pretty crystals...

.but i see a benifit!... in further drying the citrate to make it into a dry handelable material that can be handeled and stored in capsuls for a long time for oral or posibly sublingual use... ....

Even though i have read recent stories that dmt citrate is smokable....[from past knowlege]....i dont think dmt citrate smokes or vapes very well...and could be harsh or damaging on throat...but .if it is safe to vaporize please let me know...!

ps..i am working on doing this slow citrate extraction method on some .........much newer cleaner white dmt crystals ....... will report later...

 

[1Starway7]

.the dryer the salt gets.......the more cleanly it lifts off the glass..very little scraping needed... What i think is happening is ...[ very..Slow crystalization] ... only it doesnt look like fancy crystals....booth the dmt/and the citric acid are trying to crystalize .......or the ....[dmt citrate ].... is crystalizing VERY....SLOWLY...because...after observation over almost one weeks time ... dmt citrate lifts off the glass surface on to...[ its self ] drying and hardening..causing little islands of clean bare glass to appear on bottom of dish.. as it turns into hardening lumps of dmt citrate.... Its been slow drying for almost a week .....[its handelable now in hard non sticky chunks].....and it may get so dry.... it will crush into a hande able powder that could be weiged and stored in capsuls... DMT Citrate [for oral ..[or posibly sublingual],..use should store convienintly a long time in capsuls...

there are only two reasonably safe ingrediants in this mix....extracted dmt freebase]..... and 100 percent food grade citric acid]...oraly one might have to take a reversable maio like in a tea 30 minutes befor taking capsule

I think... [in past]...a lot of people who have evaporated DMT salt in citrate water were turned off by the gooey sticky appearence of it at first... after drying over night..and didnt take the drying process any further..because the wanted pretty crystals...

.but i see a benifit!... in further drying the citrate to make it into a dry handelable material that can be handeled and stored in capsuls for a long time for oral or posibly sublingual use... ....

Even though i have read recent stories that dmt citrate is smokable....[from past knowlege]....i dont think dmt citrate smokes or vapes very well...and could be harsh or damaging on throat...but .if it is safe to vaporize please let me know...!

ps..i am working on doing this slow citrate extraction method on some .........much newer cleaner white dmt crystals ....... will report later...

these are pictures of the tiny 25 to 30mg test dose of .....[much newer..... and cleaner dmt freebase]....[one with flash and the other without flash]..[using only a tiny pinch of citric acid]....[.after 3 days of drying].. that was desolved in test tube in distilled water...and food grade citric acid...note ..the much lighter and cleaner color after drying in shot glass...
after only three days of drying and ... lifting into itself cleanly off the glass ...[crystalizing].... [the dmt citrate].... takes on a shiny plastic look and feel....can be handled and weighed..without it sticking to fingers and easily..placed into capsules....
further drying...[ may].... make it crushable to a powder form..... DMT salts can store easily for long time...and remain active. for oral use ...with a reversable maoi]
.
some have claimed it .. vapes smoothly.... mixed into pg/vg...but personaly.. i dont think it should be smoked.....only for oral use.....

. zoom pictures...

 

[1Starway7]

these are pictures of the tiny 25 to 30mg test dose of .....[much newer..... and cleaner dmt freebase]....[one with flash and the other without flash]..[using only a tiny pinch of citric acid]....[.after 3 days of drying].. that was desolved in test tube in distilled water...and food grade citric acid...note ..the much lighter and cleaner color after drying in shot glass...
after only three days of drying and ... lifting into itself cleanly off the glass ...[crystalizing].... [the dmt citrate].... takes on a shiny plastic look and feel....can be handled and weighed..without it sticking to fingers and easily..placed into capsules....
further drying...[ may].... make it crushable to a powder form..... DMT salts can store easily for long time...and remain active. for oral use ...with a reversable maoi]
.
some have claimed it .. vapes smoothly.... mixed into pg/vg...but personaly.. i dont think it should be smoked.....only for oral use.....

. zoom pictures...

after grinding,....im starting to see citrate corse powder developing in shot glass..
this may be because a lower dose of dmt and..... lower dose of citric acid prevents it from getting too rubbery...
in last two pictures of .......older but much more dmt citrate]..[little heavy on the citric acid].. .... ..hit..[black bar on bottom of clip..... then [save]..in upper left corner..then hit upper right corner...if your computer will display these options as mine does...for video clip play...

 

[1Starway7]

after grinding,....im starting to see citrate corse powder developing in shot glass..
this may be because a lower dose of dmt and..... lower dose of citric acid prevents it from getting too rubbery...
in last two pictures of .......older but much more dmt citrate]..[little heavy on the citric acid].. .... ..hit..[black bar on bottom of clip..... then [save]..in upper left corner..then hit upper right corner...if your computer will display these options as mine does...for video clip play...

This is pictures of the older dmt citrate..after it gets dry enough to have a dry rubbery feel and broken down into smaller peices...i ran it through a high speed coffie grinder ..now its in a finer semi course powdery form. no sticking on the glass.. moves around like table salt,,,..and now the total drying can continue...!

Search instead for if dmt citrate salts are dryed into a fine dry powder is it still active?





AI Overview



Yes, if N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is in the form of a stable salt like citrate and is dried into a fine powder, it is still active
.
The conversion to a salt and the drying process do not chemically deactivate the compound itself.
Here are key points regarding DMT salts and their activity:

• Stability of DMT: DMT is a stable compound and does not significantly degrade under common storage conditions, including drying and storage at refrigerator or even moderately elevated temperatures (37 °C for 7 days). The salt form enhances its stability and suitability for storage and pharmaceutical processing.
• Activity: The psychoactive effects of DMT are a result of its interaction with serotonin receptors in the brain. The salt form (such as citrate, fumarate, or hydrochloride) is still the same active molecule complexed with an acid, and it retains its pharmacological properties.
• Form and Administration: Synthetic DMT is often a white, crystalline powder in its salt form, which is a common form for administration via various methods such as vaporizing, insufflating, or injecting (in solution). The freebase form of DMT, by contrast, is a low-melting point solid (oil) and is more sensitive to degradation from oxygen, heat, and light during long-term storage.
• • Route of Administration: The route of administration determines how the activity is expressed. Orally, DMT is not active unless combined with a monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI), because the body's enzymes rapidly break it down. However, when vaporized, injected, or insufflated, it bypasses this initial metabolic process, leading to powerful, short-duration effects.

In conclusion, drying the DMT citrate salt into a fine powder would result in a stable and active substance.

 

[1Starway7]

This is pictures of the older dmt citrate..after it gets dry enough to have a dry rubbery feel and broken down into smaller peices...i ran it through a high speed coffie grinder ..now its in a finer semi course powdery form. no sticking on the glass.. moves around like table salt,,,..and now the total drying can continue...!

Search instead for if dmt citrate salts are dryed into a fine dry powder is it still active?





AI Overview



Yes, if N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is in the form of a stable salt like citrate and is dried into a fine powder, it is still active
.
The conversion to a salt and the drying process do not chemically deactivate the compound itself.
Here are key points regarding DMT salts and their activity:

• Stability of DMT: DMT is a stable compound and does not significantly degrade under common storage conditions, including drying and storage at refrigerator or even moderately elevated temperatures (37 °C for 7 days). The salt form enhances its stability and suitability for storage and pharmaceutical processing.
• Activity: The psychoactive effects of DMT are a result of its interaction with serotonin receptors in the brain. The salt form (such as citrate, fumarate, or hydrochloride) is still the same active molecule complexed with an acid, and it retains its pharmacological properties.
• Form and Administration: Synthetic DMT is often a white, crystalline powder in its salt form, which is a common form for administration via various methods such as vaporizing, insufflating, or injecting (in solution). The freebase form of DMT, by contrast, is a low-melting point solid (oil) and is more sensitive to degradation from oxygen, heat, and light during long-term storage.
• • Route of Administration: The route of administration determines how the activity is expressed. Orally, DMT is not active unless combined with a monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI), because the body's enzymes rapidly break it down. However, when vaporized, injected, or insufflated, it bypasses this initial metabolic process, leading to powerful, short-duration effects.

In conclusion, drying the DMT citrate salt into a fine powder would result in a stable and active substance.

DMT citrate....[ super dry]... like fine golden sand...[heavy on citric acid]
last two pictures of the tiny 25/30 mg test dose.... newer white crystals .... after becomming citrate ..and being dryed...note... the color difference....[light on citric acid] ....
zoom photos...

 

[1Starway7]

DMT citrate....[ super dry]... like fine golden sand...[heavy on citric acid]
last two pictures of the tiny 25/30 mg test dose.... newer white crystals .... after becomming citrate ..and being dryed...note... the color difference....[light on citric acid] ....
zoom photos...

I believe.... ive established DMT citrate crystalization ... in these photos in last post above... because the day before the two shot glass photos above were taken ...i choped and flatened ..[mashed flat]... these formations ...in bottom of shot glass .... in effort to make it dry faster...
the next morning i observed that the mashed formations .....had grown back together!!.. in crystalized clumps! amazing!
the..... [low dose test.....20 to 25 mgs of dmt crystal freebase].... pictured in shot glass photos ... were extracted from..... low fat.... mimosa Hostilis Bark,...desolved in purified water/and 100 percent food grade citric acid...
I also used only a very small amount of citric acid in this test...

zoom photos...

 

[1Starway7]

I believe.... ive established DMT citrate crystalization ... in these photos in last post above... because the day before the two shot glass photos above were taken ...i choped and flatened ..[mashed flat]... these formations ...in bottom of shot glass .... in effort to make it dry faster...
the next morning i observed that the mashed formations .....had grown back together!!.. in crystalized clumps! amazing!
the..... [low dose test.....20 to 25 mgs of dmt crystal freebase].... pictured in shot glass photos ... were extracted from..... low fat.... mimosa Hostilis Bark,...desolved in purified water/and 100 percent food grade citric acid...
I also used only a very small amount of citric acid in this test...

zoom photos...

 

[1Starway7]

I decided to convert the... golden sand...my old dmt... into freebase...this is the first time i did this conversion....

the small amount of sand.... is now back to a very white clean freebase crystals...the conversion was sooo easy!

just redesolved the old citrate sand ...in distilled water ///then a little lye///then some fresh clean napatha ..[shook vessel let the napatha seperate from the acidic water containing the impuritys...[after 24 hours in freezer... I.poured out the excess napatha into seperate container....some of the napatha had floating crystals that i poured through a coffie filter to capture the crystals... ....then dryed the crystals .in front of a small computer fan...

the first two pictures were crystals floating in the napatha.....the othertwo stuck to the glass...

it appears there was a lot of impuritys like plant fats and other things ...because after the cleanup and.. re crystalization...the bulk of the substance shrunk quite a bit into nice white fairly pure freebase crystals...

 

[1Starway7]

I decided to convert the... golden sand...my old dmt... into freebase...this is the first time i did this conversion....

the small amount of sand.... is now back to a very white clean freebase crystals...the conversion was sooo easy!

just redesolved the old citrate sand ...in distilled water ///then a little lye///then some fresh clean napatha ..[shook vessel let the napatha seperate from the acidic water containing the impuritys...[after 24 hours in freezer... I.poured out the excess napatha into seperate container....some of the napatha had floating crystals that i poured through a coffie filter to capture the crystals... ....then dryed the crystals .in front of a small computer fan...

the first two pictures were crystals floating in the napatha.....the othertwo stuck to the glass...

it appears there was a lot of impuritys like plant fats and other things ...because after the cleanup and.. re crystalization...the bulk of the substance shrunk quite a bit into nice white fairly pure freebase crystals...

In case anyone wants to know what i used to.... seperate the dmt freebase ....from the citrate water...it was a ....large ...new..... steriol 60ml vetenary syringe.....[with no needle attachment]....that i connected a hose to the tip on bottom of syringe... to use it as a seperator...it works great!
I only used it on a very small extraction...
It capable of much larger extractions..i think...

 

[1Starway7]

In case anyone wants to know what i used to.... seperate the dmt freebase ....from the citrate water...it was a ....large ...new..... steriol 60ml vetenary syringe.....[with no needle attachment]....that i connected a hose to the tip on bottom of syringe... to use it as a seperator...it works great!
I only used it on a very small extraction...
It capable of much larger extractions..i think...

The tiny 15/22 mg ..dose of citrate crystals test after drying a week ....citrate crystals are very dry and handelable!
Citrate crystals will keep for long time...in weighed out doses. stored in capsules...
Ive noticed..after sitting in bottom of shotglass overnight ...the little citrate beads..tend to stick lightly to botton of shotglass...almost like magnatized static effect...but still they are very dry like tiny plastic beads...
The citrate beads can be easily converted back to ...free base... as ive found in recent experiments..

In case anyone wants to know what i used to.... seperate the dmt freebase ....from the citrate water...it was a ....large ...new..... steriol 60ml vetenary syringe.....[with no needle attachment]....that i connected a hose to the tip on bottom of syringe... to use it as a seperator...it works great!
I only used it on a very small extraction...
It capable of much larger extractions..i think...

in my tiny 15/20 mg of freebase crystal test....Ive found the dmt citrate dryes into little dry plastic ...like beads or crystals... the beads ...are very dry but seem to have an almost ...static cling effect on the glass after sitting all night or longer..
DMT Citrate crystals can be stored a long time!
still very dry and handel able..easy to weigh and put into capsules..also very easy to convert back to freebase ..as in recently shown in above posts ..

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