Suggestion: Nen, add to the first post index a link to the post a couple of pages back where you answered me regarding sustainable harvesting of Acacias
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Thanks bricklaya>
A couple years ago I did various extracts of these trees, mostly from the leaves and younger stem ends but when I lost all my research data I discarded the samples before I could get a analysis done. Never did a bio assay though.
Please also put something in the Wiki about sustainable Acacia harvesting, I am tired of seeing destroyed trees. Thank you.
A couple years ago I did various extracts of these trees, mostly from the leaves and younger stem ends but when I lost all my research data I discarded the samples before I could get a analysis done. Never did a bio assay though.
Please also put something in the Wiki about sustainable Acacia harvesting, I am tired of seeing destroyed trees. Thank you.
in fact yeah i'd say it definitely is a mangium.. it even has the little red blotches at the stem and phyllode intersections
excited to hear your results... it sounds like a good tryptamine candidate
excited to hear your results... it sounds like a good tryptamine candidate
bong all the way for me Gowpen.. just layer the dmt in between a herb of your choice...the herbs on top will protect it from burning while the herb underneath ensures it doesn't get pulled through the hole prematurely.. hold the lighter a little higher up than you normally would to avoid any burning.... this should vape it fine i always break through off one hit from a bong. you dont need to hold the lighter over it for long.. do it as long as you need to get the ember roasting on its own and then pull it away...that will vape the spice for you fine
my preference though over smoking freebase is changa which is a dmt infused herb mix.. you needn't any vaporising technique for changa as the dmt is protected in the herb so you can rip it like a cone of ganj... and you can choose what potency you want the changa too and also use whatever herb you fancy.. this could arguably change the plant spirit a bit so if you want to experience the pure 'spirit of acuminata' (not everyone subscribes to the notion of the plant spirit but i certainly do after my own experiences) then maybe go the freebase..I have always found it to have a lot of depth though so i dont think it really matters a whole lot.. especially when your using aussie natives for the blend
weaker blends such as 20:80 or 25:75 are good for working your way up to the breakthrough so you can steer it to where you feel comfortable...the stronger blends from 30:70 up will generally break you through in one hitwith a level packed cone.. 50:50 blends you dont quite need a full packed cone to break through.. be careful when making it 50:50 .. very powerful stuff
hope that helps.. you can make a great changa blend out of the native acacias with bipinnate phyllodes.. mearnsii phyllodes are choice for me (such a smooth smoke no harshness at all)....mixed in with a little bit of caapi vine ...or acacia baileyana phyllodes would be good too
I luuuuuuurrrrv changa. I feel it has slightly more depth than freebase... or at least feels a little more earthbound as opposed to the really universal and at times alien feeling presence of pure freebase.. but i love both to death .. both just as jaw dropping .. both just as divine in their own unique way
my preference though over smoking freebase is changa which is a dmt infused herb mix.. you needn't any vaporising technique for changa as the dmt is protected in the herb so you can rip it like a cone of ganj... and you can choose what potency you want the changa too and also use whatever herb you fancy.. this could arguably change the plant spirit a bit so if you want to experience the pure 'spirit of acuminata' (not everyone subscribes to the notion of the plant spirit but i certainly do after my own experiences) then maybe go the freebase..I have always found it to have a lot of depth though so i dont think it really matters a whole lot.. especially when your using aussie natives for the blend
weaker blends such as 20:80 or 25:75 are good for working your way up to the breakthrough so you can steer it to where you feel comfortable...the stronger blends from 30:70 up will generally break you through in one hitwith a level packed cone.. 50:50 blends you dont quite need a full packed cone to break through.. be careful when making it 50:50 .. very powerful stuff
hope that helps.. you can make a great changa blend out of the native acacias with bipinnate phyllodes.. mearnsii phyllodes are choice for me (such a smooth smoke no harshness at all)....mixed in with a little bit of caapi vine ...or acacia baileyana phyllodes would be good too
I luuuuuuurrrrv changa. I feel it has slightly more depth than freebase... or at least feels a little more earthbound as opposed to the really universal and at times alien feeling presence of pure freebase.. but i love both to death .. both just as jaw dropping .. both just as divine in their own unique way
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Rising Star
Ok, so a quick A/B on the yet to be identified acacia of pictures 3,4,5 of my first post on the acacia id thread has yielded a thin goo that seems to have some clear crystals scattered throughout. Smells like dmt a little bit, but more planty. A little weary to bio-assay because I am scared there might still be solvent trapped in the goo. Heptane (Bestine) was used to pull and after mainly unsuccessful freeze precipitation, I just decided to evap the last of it which yielded this goo.
^..groovy cave paintings! EDIT: images now moved to Acacia Identification Thread posts#54 and #60..
endlessness wrote:
Gowpen wrote:
(he was at it since the 60s)
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! EDIT: images now moved to Acacia Identification Thread posts#54 and #60..endlessness wrote:
..good suggestion thanks, have done..will add the last few pages references next few days..
Gowpen wrote:
..smear onto (preferably) inactive leaf material (e.g smoking blend herb)..investigate vaporizers..even a test tube can be used..
..yes
(he was at it since the 60s)
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wow thats awesome nen what's he like in person? I have so much to thank Terence for in my life
cave paintings said:
if it smells like dmt and theres crystals forming theres a good chance it is dmt.. usually if theres plant fats oils it wont crystallise properly but form flat circular stars, and the plant oils will hide the smell significantly as i can attest to from various fatty extracts....have pulled crystals that hardly smell like dmt at all in the past. you could try dissolving in some warm shellite and then deffatting with an acidic solution, then rebasifying and pulling again with more shellite.. how much do you reckon is there?
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Rising Star
Hm. Unfortunately I am out of solvent at the moment. It has remained a clear goo all day now. I have rubbed a good bit of it onto some plant material that I may try and smoke later. Will update later.
edit: rather than double post, I'll just add my experience here.
Had previously rubbed some of the goo onto some dried acacia leaf as it was the only thing on hand at the time to absorb the remaining goo from the pyrex. The rest I rubbed onto some mugwort.
Should have taken better note of the exact times. Smoked it about 15-20 minutes ago. Still feeling effects, however I am skeptical somewhat because the pipe I used had weed resin that I fear may have contaminated the experience, that and the mugwort.
I have a psychedelic headspace and some slight visual effects right now. Body buzz too. Could possibly be attributed to the resin however, given my tolerance is so low.
As I first began smoking it off the leaf, more trying to vaporize it, the goo simmered and as I exhaled my second hit a large head 'zoom' or 'tingle' or rush went through me, and THAT I would not attribute to the resin, especially since I am sure the pipe had not heated up enough at that point to ignite it. Did not taste or smell too much dmt taste except for one hit I thought I detected it. Effects seem more how NMT is described in retrospect.
Feeling a little spacey at the moment, will include more when I am a little more baseline..
edit: rather than double post, I'll just add my experience here.
Had previously rubbed some of the goo onto some dried acacia leaf as it was the only thing on hand at the time to absorb the remaining goo from the pyrex. The rest I rubbed onto some mugwort.
Should have taken better note of the exact times. Smoked it about 15-20 minutes ago. Still feeling effects, however I am skeptical somewhat because the pipe I used had weed resin that I fear may have contaminated the experience, that and the mugwort.
I have a psychedelic headspace and some slight visual effects right now. Body buzz too. Could possibly be attributed to the resin however, given my tolerance is so low.
As I first began smoking it off the leaf, more trying to vaporize it, the goo simmered and as I exhaled my second hit a large head 'zoom' or 'tingle' or rush went through me, and THAT I would not attribute to the resin, especially since I am sure the pipe had not heated up enough at that point to ignite it. Did not taste or smell too much dmt taste except for one hit I thought I detected it. Effects seem more how NMT is described in retrospect.
Feeling a little spacey at the moment, will include more when I am a little more baseline..
..first, hi nameless, bricklaya is right i think about the tree looking like A. mangium (assuming these are in Qld) but [Edit] pods look like holosericea..see few posts on..
..and Gowpen, ps T. McKenna used a glass pipe with a long stem amd approx 1 inch diameter bowl..he may have only smoked around four times a year, but he sure smoked efficient doses, and also had the rest of each year to get into ayahuasca, psilocybin etc..though i don't think he 'caned' these either..bricklaya, i only hung out with him for a few days..he was of course a fountain of interesting information about almost any subject, talked about his kids a lot, quite mellow and funny, certainly enjoyed his cannabis..and kava..didn't mind a bit of electronica music either..
i enjoyed brickie's vaping perspective..but, so as not to keep inflating the thread (see next post) lets put discussion of dmt smoking technique in another thread [there are already many]..my personal preference would be for for the pure plant 'essence' in glass..especially when meeting unfamiliar new 'allies'..btw Growpen, my first ever experiences used the foil/bottle method..there was a thread of which the op is now deleted on this, which caused much controversy and displeasure amongst some Nexians..Ultimate Way to Smoke DMT - First steps in Hyperspace - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus..but, for another thread please..
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cave paintings wrote:
[Edit] See Acacia ID Thread p3>#60 pics 1,2,3,4 are similar to the australian A. penninervis
5 may be the same, but looks A. falcata (as bricklaya suggested) but it has cream flowers,
6,7,8 are probably A. saligna..
in the other ID post #54 there seems hints of hybridization..1,2,3 may be A. penninervis crossed with another species..
4 is similar to the aus A. caesilla, which may be the cross-breeder..
a lot to compare..none of these species have been studied fpr tryptamines before (AFAIK)
..interesting and promising results so far cave paintings..
..here is a list (with USAgDatabase#)of all Acacias and related species (introduced or native) found in the USA..so others can help work out what they may be..
below, A. penninervis, A. caesilla and Terence rip (probably laughing at us with the machine elves now..)
..and Gowpen, ps T. McKenna used a glass pipe with a long stem amd approx 1 inch diameter bowl..he may have only smoked around four times a year, but he sure smoked efficient doses, and also had the rest of each year to get into ayahuasca, psilocybin etc..though i don't think he 'caned' these either..bricklaya, i only hung out with him for a few days..he was of course a fountain of interesting information about almost any subject, talked about his kids a lot, quite mellow and funny, certainly enjoyed his cannabis..and kava..didn't mind a bit of electronica music either..
i enjoyed brickie's vaping perspective..but, so as not to keep inflating the thread (see next post) lets put discussion of dmt smoking technique in another thread [there are already many]..my personal preference would be for for the pure plant 'essence' in glass..especially when meeting unfamiliar new 'allies'..btw Growpen, my first ever experiences used the foil/bottle method..there was a thread of which the op is now deleted on this, which caused much controversy and displeasure amongst some Nexians..Ultimate Way to Smoke DMT - First steps in Hyperspace - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus..but, for another thread please..
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cave paintings wrote:
..most 'goo' has no solevnt left..if its been evaporated a few days..often i think it remains partly an oil because of trace betacarbolines or n-oxide etc..to be sure (of no solvent) redissolve in a small amount of ethanol/methanol, and leave to evap/re-x..if it smells of dmt is a good sign, including the 'planty' smell..but as you've said in your bioassay report, NMT also smells similar..though, how much did you test? ..even 20mg of near-pure DMT vaporized inefficiently and not held in can cause just mild effects for 15 minutes..though the taste indicates there was probabky other things in there..unless you felt any hints of toxicity, i would personally try a little more..
[Edit] See Acacia ID Thread p3>#60 pics 1,2,3,4 are similar to the australian A. penninervis
5 may be the same, but looks A. falcata (as bricklaya suggested) but it has cream flowers,
6,7,8 are probably A. saligna..
in the other ID post #54 there seems hints of hybridization..1,2,3 may be A. penninervis crossed with another species..
4 is similar to the aus A. caesilla, which may be the cross-breeder..
a lot to compare..none of these species have been studied fpr tryptamines before (AFAIK)
..interesting and promising results so far cave paintings..
..here is a list (with USAgDatabase#)of all Acacias and related species (introduced or native) found in the USA..so others can help work out what they may be..
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below, A. penninervis, A. caesilla and Terence rip (probably laughing at us with the machine elves now..
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..as Growpen says:
the main objectives of this thread, when it started nearly a year ago, were:
1) to improve the veracity of phytochemical info on Acacias worldwide
2) to encourage SUSTAINABLE use of Acacias, especially by growing
3) to find enough active species that i) legislation to ban becomes impractical and ....ii) a couple of species being presently harmed are less targeted, and 2-3 Endangered species are less vulnerable..
4) to evenly distribute and make accessible the information, to discourage the selling or buying of acacia dmt..(commodification=non-sustainability)
5) to bring about an understanding and caring for these lifeforms, and conservation for the future..
..so the thread is doing well with most objectives..sustainability is still being monitored (and like myself and Spice Sailor said, there are vigilante groups ready to form to confront tree destroyers/exploiters in sensitive areas..really!)
since the information i hastily pooled on the first page, the following species have been re-confirmed in activity by Nexians (forgive me if i've left anybody out) :
A. acuminata [alienteaparty, Gowpen] A. confusa [numerous, see A. confusa thread], A. floribunda [vitalstatistix, Spice Sailor], A. longifolia [chocobeastie], A longissima [Seldom], A. maidenii [Spice Sailor], A. mearnsii [chocobeastie]...and the following species were uncovered so far by Nexians, in addition to the many new species listed in the thread:
A. cyclops [Primal Wisdom], A. falcata, A. provincialis [yatiqiri] & A. tortuosa [yatiqiri]..
..the last 10 pages we've gone a lot into extraction issues and mis-ID, which is educational, but now covered a lot..perhaps, to keep the usability of this thread under control, we could all do the following:
a) limit initial ID request photos to 1-2 per plant, unless more are required later
b) report final extract outcome, keep process info brief; better still, wait until bioassay shows activity or non-activity to report
c) double check the p.1 Index before posting a question..
..i really want to thank everyone in the thread for their feedback, enthusiasm and interest..
now, good luck and onwards researchers of the acacia-light..
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below, for ID help, 2 of Acacia tortuosa (common Sth, Central America)
and Acacia mearnsii (native southern Australia, found in USA/Hawaii)
both with probable tryptamine bio-assay reports in the thread..
so, i've been pondering how to keep it more reigned in..
the main objectives of this thread, when it started nearly a year ago, were:
1) to improve the veracity of phytochemical info on Acacias worldwide
2) to encourage SUSTAINABLE use of Acacias, especially by growing
3) to find enough active species that i) legislation to ban becomes impractical and ....ii) a couple of species being presently harmed are less targeted, and 2-3 Endangered species are less vulnerable..
4) to evenly distribute and make accessible the information, to discourage the selling or buying of acacia dmt..(commodification=non-sustainability)
5) to bring about an understanding and caring for these lifeforms, and conservation for the future..
..so the thread is doing well with most objectives..sustainability is still being monitored (and like myself and Spice Sailor said, there are vigilante groups ready to form to confront tree destroyers/exploiters in sensitive areas..really!)
since the information i hastily pooled on the first page, the following species have been re-confirmed in activity by Nexians (forgive me if i've left anybody out) :
A. acuminata [alienteaparty, Gowpen] A. confusa [numerous, see A. confusa thread], A. floribunda [vitalstatistix, Spice Sailor], A. longifolia [chocobeastie], A longissima [Seldom], A. maidenii [Spice Sailor], A. mearnsii [chocobeastie]...and the following species were uncovered so far by Nexians, in addition to the many new species listed in the thread:
A. cyclops [Primal Wisdom], A. falcata, A. provincialis [yatiqiri] & A. tortuosa [yatiqiri]..
..the last 10 pages we've gone a lot into extraction issues and mis-ID, which is educational, but now covered a lot..perhaps, to keep the usability of this thread under control, we could all do the following:
a) limit initial ID request photos to 1-2 per plant, unless more are required later
b) report final extract outcome, keep process info brief; better still, wait until bioassay shows activity or non-activity to report
c) double check the p.1 Index before posting a question..
..i really want to thank everyone in the thread for their feedback, enthusiasm and interest..
now, good luck and onwards researchers of the acacia-light..
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below, for ID help, 2 of Acacia tortuosa (common Sth, Central America)
and Acacia mearnsii (native southern Australia, found in USA/Hawaii)
both with probable tryptamine bio-assay reports in the thread..
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Rising Star
.most 'goo' has no solevnt left..if its been evaporated a few days..often i think it remains partly an oil because of trace betacarbolines or n-oxide etc..to be sure (of no solvent) redissolve in a small amount of ethanol/methanol, and leave to evap/re-x..if it smells of dmt is a good sign, including the 'planty' smell..but as you've said in your bioassay report, NMT also smells similar..though, how much did you test? ..even 20mg of near-pure DMT noted vaporized inefficiently and not held in can cause just mild effects for 15 minutes..though the taste indicates there was probabky other things in there..unless you felt any hints of toxicity, i would personally try a little more..the longer phyllode pics (lower top post) are probably A. saligna, though i think you live near hybrid lane..the top pics i'm looking at..4 & 6 are like A. falcata but it has cream flowers..(as bricklaya suggested), but the top two i don't think are..have time later to compare refs, will edit answer (if i get one) back into this post..similar species (with yellow flowers) include
the asutralian A. penninervis and A. caesiella pictured below..so appologies for the ID delay, but there's a lot to compare..none of these species have been studied fpr tryptamines before (AFAIK)
..interesting and promising results so far cave paintings..
Hey nen. Alot of info exchange going on so sorry if I miss anything. I need to start weighing things more.. sometimes I just get excited and hop into things. I don't know exactly how much of the goo was tested, I feel I would have lost half of it in the process of weighing/transferring it. 20 mg is actually a good estimate though it is hard to say with a goo that has been smeared around. I smoked the remaining residual goo on some of the leaves from last night about an hour ago out of a clean pipe and got a very slight head buzz. That is the last of the goo though.
I will have to try an extraction on the a.saligna(?) at some point. You say above, 4&6 you suspect to be falcata? I am confused, did you mean 4&5 because 6 was the suspected saligna right? If we are referring still to my top post on page 31 that is.
So under the impression that 9-12 was the same species as 3-5 (from top post on 31), I went and harvested a few limbs off the plant (painful experience) and did a more efficient A/B extraction on what is estimated to be 300-400 grams of plant material. Will have freeze precip results tomorrow. Do you think they are the same species?
Exciting stuff! You will also be happy to find out I have found a few native acacias. I believe constricta and will get pictures when I can to pin the others down.
the asutralian A. penninervis and A. caesiella pictured below..so appologies for the ID delay, but there's a lot to compare..none of these species have been studied fpr tryptamines before (AFAIK)
..interesting and promising results so far cave paintings..
Hey nen. Alot of info exchange going on so sorry if I miss anything. I need to start weighing things more.. sometimes I just get excited and hop into things. I don't know exactly how much of the goo was tested, I feel I would have lost half of it in the process of weighing/transferring it. 20 mg is actually a good estimate though it is hard to say with a goo that has been smeared around. I smoked the remaining residual goo on some of the leaves from last night about an hour ago out of a clean pipe and got a very slight head buzz. That is the last of the goo though.
I will have to try an extraction on the a.saligna(?) at some point. You say above, 4&6 you suspect to be falcata? I am confused, did you mean 4&5 because 6 was the suspected saligna right? If we are referring still to my top post on page 31 that is.
So under the impression that 9-12 was the same species as 3-5 (from top post on 31), I went and harvested a few limbs off the plant (painful experience) and did a more efficient A/B extraction on what is estimated to be 300-400 grams of plant material. Will have freeze precip results tomorrow. Do you think they are the same species?
Exciting stuff! You will also be happy to find out I have found a few native acacias. I believe constricta and will get pictures when I can to pin the others down.
^..cool cave paintings, i re-edited that rather incoherent quote you gave here to make more sense..
A. penninervis & A. penninervis x caesilla are candidates till i have more time..
sc001 wrote:
otherwise, it is important to take time to research in libraries and study nature until you can find one of these trees..you will be much better prepared and more aware of their sensitivity in the environment..
there should be a lot of A. burkitti 'around' adelaide..
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ps. nameless, while there's at least one report of DMT from A. mangium (no formal tests) A. holosericea was found in 1 formal test to contain 1.2% Hordenine (an phenethylamine also found in peyote cactus) and said to be stimulant (though a friend said more sedative)
below i have attached the paper "Alkaloids Of The Australian Leguminoseae* The Occurrence Of Phenethylamine Derivatives In Acacia Species" by J.S. Fitzgerald 1963..
the paper "Alkaloids Of The Australian Leguminosae: The Occurrence Of Methylated Tryptamines In Acacia Maidenii F. .Muell." By J. S. Fitzgerald and A. A. Sioumis, Aust. Journal Chemistry 1965 is attached here in the Acacia Analysis thread..
and Nb-Methyltetrahydroharman from Acacia complanata by Johns et al. 1966 is also attached below..
A. penninervis & A. penninervis x caesilla are candidates till i have more time..
sc001 wrote:
..hey sc001, it is very important that actual locations of trees are not given on the net..to understand why please read the ethics discussion beginning here, p9#178 to p10, and see the horrific destruction done by some to trees in the wild in this post..for ethical street tree examination, you may be able to find local council planting records..
otherwise, it is important to take time to research in libraries and study nature until you can find one of these trees..you will be much better prepared and more aware of their sensitivity in the environment..
there should be a lot of A. burkitti 'around' adelaide..
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ps. nameless, while there's at least one report of DMT from A. mangium (no formal tests) A. holosericea was found in 1 formal test to contain 1.2% Hordenine (an phenethylamine also found in peyote cactus) and said to be stimulant (though a friend said more sedative)
below i have attached the paper "Alkaloids Of The Australian Leguminoseae* The Occurrence Of Phenethylamine Derivatives In Acacia Species" by J.S. Fitzgerald 1963..
the paper "Alkaloids Of The Australian Leguminosae: The Occurrence Of Methylated Tryptamines In Acacia Maidenii F. .Muell." By J. S. Fitzgerald and A. A. Sioumis, Aust. Journal Chemistry 1965 is attached here in the Acacia Analysis thread..
and Nb-Methyltetrahydroharman from Acacia complanata by Johns et al. 1966 is also attached below..
Regarding Acacia longifolia, it is also cultivated in parks in some parts of southern europe (and it's not mentioned in the European Acacia's post). A colleague has analysed some and it did NOT have DMT. I will see if I can get the mass spectra to see what it did contain. I can also find from where he harvested and when, and see if I can get pictures of the trees (or test other Acacias growing around town).
..thanks endlessness..
i guess i'm currently dividing tryptamine acacias into 'reliable' vs more variable species, and longifolia is certainly a variable species..some genotypes only contain Histamine and derivatives..
the strain i posted a photo of here contains 0.3-0.5% DMT stem bark, but not at all times of year..the fluctuation seems to be temperature/moisture based rather than strictly seasonal, but flowering is unlikely to contain any
..this and similar strains of A. longifolia look morphologically a lot more like obtusifolia, and the two species are recorded as hybridizing..
will see if some samples can be gathered in the future..one of my missions (& i encourage others) is to collect seed of these known active strains of various species, as typical seed suppliers do not differentiate..
..i know confirmed dmt acacias are now being privately grown very successfully in southern europe, such as the maidenii/obtusifolia cross pictured on p12..
..also i wanted to mention something about A. maidenii and it's reported variability..
after years of comparing, i now think many people who have reported low or no yields have actually mistaken forms of A. melanoxylon for it..there is not a wide appreciation of how variable in form melanoxylon is..
..in 1996 i visited the location with Mulga where he had gotten a negative result from maidenii..it was seeding but not flowering at the time, and i accepted his ID..a couple of months ago i returned to the site and the same tree had begun to flower..it was A. melanoxylon..i think many people, assuming melanoxylon to be more like the victorian forms and basing ID on old location records, not full flowering confirmation, have made this mistake..
..there are at least 6-7 confirmations of A. maidenii having high tryptamine content as found by the CSIRO..again, however, there are subtypes of maidenii which are low yielding..
a small amount of twig from the actual tree in the photo in this post was tested (in 1992/3) and did contain 0.5%-0.7% DMT (& maybe NMT) ..also worth noting that Spice Sailor (who reported 0.4%) is within 100km or so of the original CSIRO maidenii test site..
look forward to more exciting new results here at the Nexus..!
ps INDEX now just on p1, (p11 was starting to confuse me)
i guess i'm currently dividing tryptamine acacias into 'reliable' vs more variable species, and longifolia is certainly a variable species..some genotypes only contain Histamine and derivatives..
the strain i posted a photo of here contains 0.3-0.5% DMT stem bark, but not at all times of year..the fluctuation seems to be temperature/moisture based rather than strictly seasonal, but flowering is unlikely to contain any
..this and similar strains of A. longifolia look morphologically a lot more like obtusifolia, and the two species are recorded as hybridizing..
will see if some samples can be gathered in the future..one of my missions (& i encourage others) is to collect seed of these known active strains of various species, as typical seed suppliers do not differentiate..
..i know confirmed dmt acacias are now being privately grown very successfully in southern europe, such as the maidenii/obtusifolia cross pictured on p12..
..also i wanted to mention something about A. maidenii and it's reported variability..
after years of comparing, i now think many people who have reported low or no yields have actually mistaken forms of A. melanoxylon for it..there is not a wide appreciation of how variable in form melanoxylon is..
..in 1996 i visited the location with Mulga where he had gotten a negative result from maidenii..it was seeding but not flowering at the time, and i accepted his ID..a couple of months ago i returned to the site and the same tree had begun to flower..it was A. melanoxylon..i think many people, assuming melanoxylon to be more like the victorian forms and basing ID on old location records, not full flowering confirmation, have made this mistake..
..there are at least 6-7 confirmations of A. maidenii having high tryptamine content as found by the CSIRO..again, however, there are subtypes of maidenii which are low yielding..
a small amount of twig from the actual tree in the photo in this post was tested (in 1992/3) and did contain 0.5%-0.7% DMT (& maybe NMT) ..also worth noting that Spice Sailor (who reported 0.4%) is within 100km or so of the original CSIRO maidenii test site..
look forward to more exciting new results here at the Nexus..!
ps INDEX now just on p1, (p11 was starting to confuse me)
thanks for the maidenii info nen. perhaps i'll do a test extraction on the one you i.d as maidenii in my neighbourhood? i know you said it was likely a low or zilch tryptamine variety but i think perhaps it would be worth a go. a friend and i are going to go collect from mucronata soon from around the warrendyte area. will post back results after extraction
be well!
be well!
oh one more thing... you mentioned temperature being a factor as well as rainfall. what temperature do you believe is ideal for tryptamine production in acacias? and if nothing exact would you lean towards warmer or cooler?
Gowpen
If you don't make mistakes, you are doing it wro
Just to show some hard to ID charecteristics of Acuminata...
Photos 1 & 4 ARE Acuminata typical variant.
Photos 2 & 3 are look-a-likes and I have no idea what they are....
Close up of 1 & 4 reveal horizontal striations on the bark .
Also, with a magnify glass, 1 & 2 have very small hairs on the edges of the phyllodes.
Hope this helps.
Photos 1 & 4 ARE Acuminata typical variant.
Photos 2 & 3 are look-a-likes and I have no idea what they are....
Close up of 1 & 4 reveal horizontal striations on the bark .
Also, with a magnify glass, 1 & 2 have very small hairs on the edges of the phyllodes.
Hope this helps.
