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ime you won't get as much out of phylloyds (!) with just 3 mildly acidic water cooks as you will with the ethanol/water/acid soak method described in this and other threads. acacias and ethanol are like doors and keys .. on many levels .. also Lye made from wood ash, potassium hydroxide, can be your best friend. freebased alkaloids arn't very soluble in a basic water solution, given time and magic they may precipitate out all on their own. (one secret tars or resins become insoluble in ethanol and water before alkaloids do, and may be filtered at stratregic times during an evaporation).

but update, i have no idea what's in a. neriifolia, but this morning it's given me a fair volume of rich aroma greenish-yellow oily-ness with familiar little solids, still yet to complete alchemical clean up, not sure if it's oils, they are presently in flower, but whatever it is it's the biggest volume of anything i've seen, from strange 4 day process. from ~320g of first shoot red-edge phyllodes and twigs from the oldest specimen i could find, in a damn special place (not the moonbi r.). nearly time to strap on a helmet. bioassays away ;)
 
nice one seldom.. thats good info to know about lye made from wood ash... do you know if potassium hydroxide is as reliable a base as your average joe diggers caustic?

good luck on bioassay! and sorry for my delay
 
..hey great to have another confirmation of the high twig content of these acacias, thanks from me (& i'm sure also the plants):) Growpen..

..regarding what Seldom, pirateb0b and co. are talking about..very good points and questions,..let's continue such discussion in the Acacia Extraction Workspace, where there's a lot more space..

& don't forget all ID requests please put in the Acacia Identification Thread..

..will have some new and interesting bioassay results in the near future..

keep the info comin' in Acacia-Friends...
 
Alot of the Burkittii's I see on the internet are a lot different from that one I posted pictures off earlier, possibly a new active tree :3?

So many similar Acacia's nearby that have similar flowers/phylloyd's but usually just vary in size/color :/
 
Gowpen said:
sharpstuff said:
Alot of the Burkittii's I see on the internet are a lot different from that one I posted pictures off earlier, possibly a new active tree :3?

Hi Sharpie....... one for you I think..
http://www.worldwidewattle.com/infogallery/utilisation/acuminata-rep-complete.pdf

There are 4 Burkittii's to my knowledge....
Regards
G
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MMh the link will not open for some reason, im actully very excited about this find because I my own Burkitti plant and seeds and the one I found is alot different-I found a dead one earlier today as well and harvested a decent amount of bark and small amount of root bark (had no shovel). But their is literally hundreds of these shurubs near by! almost invasive. Im going to dig up a small one and put it in my yard :3 and also Burkitti flowers at this time of the year and these plants have no sign of flowers and lots of seed shells laying around the ground (no seeds though the birds eat them I think) so this also beiliver me to think its not a Burkitti and maybe some unknown Acacia to the nexus, Will post results of bark eventually :)
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sharpstuff said:
Gowpen said:
sharpstuff said:
Alot of the Burkittii's I see on the internet are a lot different from that one I posted pictures off earlier, possibly a new active tree :3?

Hi Sharpie....... one for you I think..
http://www.worldwidewattle.com/infogallery/utilisation/acuminata-rep-complete.pdf

There are 4 Burkittii's to my knowledge....
Regards
G
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MMh the link will not open for some reason, im actully very excited about this find because I my own Burkitti plant and seeds and the one I found is alot different-I found a dead one earlier today as well and harvested a decent amount of bark and small amount of root bark (had no shovel). But their is literally hundreds of these shurubs near by! almost invasive. Im going to dig up a small one and put it in my yard :3 and also Burkitti flowers at this time of the year and these plants have no sign of flowers and lots of seed shells laying around the ground (no seeds though the birds eat them I think) so this also beiliver me to think its not a Burkitti and maybe some unknown Acacia to the nexus, Will post results of bark eventually :)
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Hello S. It is my understanding that 'most' of Australia's native flora have a root system that is made from VERY fine hair-like roots, often extending some metres from the trunk/stem. Established Acacia almost always die when you try to move them. You may be better getting a mature tree from a Landscape suppy yard... Very cheap and easily transplanted as the root system has been concentrated in a bag or small pot (usually this is how they are sold...) There are Acacia specialists who sell large seedlings 1m tall as well.
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been busy travelling a lot around victoria and photographing acacias lately just thought i'd chuck up some pics of acacia oxycedrus and a variant that i found growing in amonst the "regular" kind which i suspect to be mucronata. i will be going back to take some samples to test next week... it seems they are just finishing flowering.. perhaps this will work to my advantage. this is such a beautiful tree looking forward to working with it.. it has a very male presence i reckon. grinded some of those spikey phyllodes before ... tasted strongly of dmt and also had a mildly psychoactive effect. had a really deep trip at the top of the grampians with some phlebophylla extract yesterday too, and i must say after several experiences with the extract I feel there is a very loving and nurturing feminine spirit behind this plant. friends of mine who've tried it agree.. would be interested in anyone elses experience with this plant. just thought it was interesting considering the plant is so feminine looking anyway with its beautifully curved leaves. I wonder what this bad arse spikey fella will be like to interact with

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..hey love the name-change acacian (the nexian formerly known as bricklaya known as 'brickie' :))
yeah, that's the vibe..everywhere acacian..deeper than being a christian :?:

..and nice pics of Acacia oxycedrus ('Spike Wattle' ) ..[see p.12 and p.2]..it has hybridized with Acacia longifolia variety sophorae in both Victoria and NSW..the photo on page 12 possibly shares genetic material with obtusifolia (cream flowers)
..was a real 'golden' tree (according to the bio-assayers.. )

also, with regards to Spice Sailor's observation that pirateb0b's A. leiocalyx was dying or dead..i would also want to mention that in most cases a dead tree (or in the later stages of dying, all leaves brown) will be devoid of alkaloids, especially, as Spicey says, after lots of rain..at the start of death would be the window, but, again as Spice Sailor mentions, flowering can affect/reduce yields..

be well all..
 
^..if you check around page 2-3 of the Acacia Analysis Thread, you'll note that in the cases of Acacia phlebophylla, A. acuminata and A. mucronata (and probably many others) young plants (under 3-5 years of age) contained simple Tryptamine as the main alkaloid..plants 5 years or older in were mainly DMT (exclusively for phlebophylla and acuminata)
..remember though, as Growpen also found, the twigs are the highest DMT content in most acacia cases..not the older bark (which of course we discourage anyone from touching here in the acacian lodge)
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ps. for newcomers, to navigate this epic thread see the INDEX at the top of page 1...
 
nen888 said:
..hey love the name-change acacian (the nexian formerly known as bricklaya known as 'brickie' :))
yeah, that's the vibe..everywhere acacian..deeper than being a christian :?:

..and nice pics of Acacia oxycedrus ('Spike Wattle') ..[see p.12 and p.2]..it has hybridized with Acacia longifolia variety sophorae in both Victoria and NSW..the photo on page 12 possibly shares genetic material with obtusifolia (cream flowers)
..was a real 'golden' tree (according to the bio-assayers.. )
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yeah there is something about oxycedrus i get a powerful vibe off of it. the phyllodes abslutely reek of dmt i am curious as to what percentage they contain.. seems like it could well be high. thanks for the harvesting tips too! and feel free to keep calling me brickie if it feels right.. i know myself better as brickie here anyway :p

oh and on a sidenote... in case anyone hasnt been on there i've started a gallery where people can upload any acacia or mimosa photos they take.. not so much for i.d-ing purposes but just to bask in the beauty of the wattle and the places they grow... so i encourage people to upload any acacia they come accross! going to be really focusing on the differing forms of floribunda for a little while as i'm really interested in how they seem to vary. i didn't wanna flood the info thread with too many photos so i made a separate one.. but if people feel i should just put them in here i'm happy to do that. i guess photos also improve acacia info :)

Acacia photo gallery - The Ethnobotanical Garden - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
 
Some info i found over the weekend trekking with a geology student, one clue for searchers is to look for a westerly sloping range composed of rhyolite. Rhyolites are an extrusive igneous formation usually produced by bimodal or trimodal volcanic activity. Easterly sloping rhyolite ranges are often populated by rainforest like vegetation, however the western slopes (more exposed, also more susceptible to fires) are often where you will find an acacia 'grove'. Rhyolite is a slow moving rock composition, and is rarely found in areas >5km from some form of past volcanic activity. words of warning* though, at least in NSW unless you have solid knowledge of an area, it will most likely be a long, long walk through deepest darkest Peru, with no paths, snakes and bands of protective hippies. Many areas (at least in NSW) are Sacred to Aboriginal people, who take damage to trees very seriously. But just a tip ;)
 
Trying to grow accuminatas in pots ,in a place up over.as opposed to down under.
It is a zone 6b climate that every year is getting closer to a 7.
I have transplanted ,and know about the long taproot.
also that Australian nurseries use a tube,so they like a deeper than wider pot.
I am experimenting with landscape fabric containers,
they are used by tree nurseries to prevent plants becoming rootbound.
The fabric allows the roots to be air trimmed,which equals ,thicker roots,bigger tree in smaller space and better transplant succes.
and curious about light hours when indoors ,are acacias photoperiod sensitive ?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated I am a n00b not an "ELITE DAWG "
Thanks to all of you ,this is a very refreshing ,intelligent and sometimes
hilarious refuge.
 

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..hey fred green, thanks for the photos of your baby acacias..:)
search the index on p.1 of this thread for a few growing tips..you don't want the roots to dry out or sustain any damage during re-potting or planting..acacias cannot in most cases be transplanted..any damage to the tap root kills them..they like as much sunlight as possible, without drying out, and respond well to nitrogen rich fertiliser..
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and ps. Seldom..you're wise..many others aren't (to their own detriment) :?:

oh, and yeah acacian, i meant the effects..
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fred green said:
Trying to grow accuminatas in pots ,in a place up over.as opposed to down under.
It is a zone 6b climate that every year is getting closer to a 7.
I have transplanted ,and know about the long taproot.
also that Australian nurseries use a tube,so they like a deeper than wider pot.
I am experimenting with landscape fabric containers,
they are used by tree nurseries to prevent plants becoming rootbound.
The fabric allows the roots to be air trimmed,which equals ,thicker roots,bigger tree in smaller space and better transplant succes.
and curious about light hours when indoors ,are acacias photoperiod sensitive ?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated I am a n00b not an "ELITE DAWG "
Thanks to all of you ,this is a very refreshing ,intelligent and sometimes
hilarious refuge.
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Hi Fred, I also grow Acuminata in pots and I have 6 at the moment. I cant help you in regard to photo periods as I have never seen any info on this, my suggestion is to try and report back. That would be very helpful to the community I'm sure.

As far as the trimming of roots coming through the Landscaping bag, I feel that light on the roots will be a bad thing so my suggestion is a bag OVER the landscape bag to keep light out.

My Acuminata are now 2 metres tall and stand outside in 200mm wide 300mm deep pots. however, I am where they grow in the wild.... They love a dry climate and as far as I can tell they tolerate frost very well, as do they tolerate VERY hot weather too. So I think you may be onto a winner, albeit, you will have to wait a few years before you get a chance to harvest any.

I would love to hear about your DMT experiences, have you tried Acacia DMT ?
Climate 6B is mostly Russia as far as I can tell ? or at least northern europe.

Great we have your input to this thread, thanks and nice to meet you
Regards G
 
went to the grampians today and pruned a few branches off the oxycedrus... wow is that plant an absolute mission and pain to harvest... got scratches all over me and several splinters in my fingers.

also nen, i noticed in a thread you started a while ago announcing oxycedrus to be active, you said you tested one of the sub species.. do you know if the more well known short spiky form has been tested with success?

was interesting this time round where we found them growing.. little higher up on the mountain behind the one we visited last time. it seems to grow higher up but not at the base of the mountains i noticed. in one spot at the peak of the mountain, every other plant was spiky too.. found a plant that pretty much looked identical to oxycedrus but with beautiful pink/purple flowers (photos will be uploaded soon to the acacia gallery in the ethnobotanical garden section). there were others too that looked neary identical, but with a distinct 'unacacia-ness' if that makes sense....to the laymen they would seem like the exact same tree had they not been in flower. it seems to me that this acacia has been breeding with other species of plant that are not acacia. the whole area was incredibly painful to walk through i've never walked through anything like it.. worse than blackberry bushes for sure ;) .. i do like the idea of going through such hardships to meet the spirit of the plant though. i reckon thats a special thing.. it sure does seem like a stern plant. as i mentioned earlier the spikes taste incredibly dmt.. and upon smoking i noticed that high pitched tone that i get when smoking spice.. subtle.. but there

by the way if anyone has been thinking of testing longifolia.. go to grampians they are trying to get a decent sized community group together to rip lots of them out as they are an unwanted invasive species in the area
 
Which is the best acacia to grow with the cleanest/highest dmt profile?

From what I gather: Acacia acuminata is one(really liking the flower option instead of hurting the plant.) Hehe a bit off topic, but do they smell nice?

Is that one the best option if one were to grow them? Alkaloid wise.

I also want to grow other beutiful trees so im open for suggestions
 
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