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Hello everybodayyy! I am new to the dmt nexus, finding this thread is amazing as i live in Australia and nearby my area having hundreds of Acacias. Anyway as i've been stumbling on this thread i've realised that Acacia Longifolia doesn't have much information, well i have been doing recent extractions with this species, I always end up with crystals but also with an orange/yellow oil, as i scrape it up the oily gooey product seems to suck in the crystals and once i scrape it all up it hardens up into some black goo it is deffinetely active but no visuals what so ever. And everytime i evapped it smells just like dmt. What i did wrong i deffinetely know - i used two different acacia longifolia species, or even 1 longifolia and another completely different species (i stupidly picked off two different trees. Forgot to mention i used the Leaves.

I have learnt my mistake and in the middle of drying a new batch right now, I will be posting my result very shortly. Wish me luck!
 
Good luck!
I've recently noticed a trend in that some acacia are able to sprout and grow out of other dead trees stumps. a.dealbata and a.mearnsii the species seen so beware of these red herrings at first it can look like kgs of bark to ethically have but its not acacia bark!

An interesting observation was that, on one of the trees that had grown from a dead trunk, it had the trademark bipinate leafs but also leafs of another species that looked totaly different, and obviously not an acacia on the same branch! I will try to get a photo sometime.
 
TurtleWithWings..welcome..great experimentation..active but without visuals sounds like nmt..can be seasonal..

DreaMTripper wrote:
An interesting observation was that, on one of the trees that had grown from a dead trunk, it had the trademark bipinate leafs but also leafs of another species that looked totaly different, and obviously not an acacia on the same branch! I will try to get a photo sometime.
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..Acacia melanoxylon often has both 'juvenile leaves' (bipinnate) and phyllodes on the same tree..when damaged or stressed as an adult it can revert to throwing out juvenile leaves..
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..important anti-inflamatory activity is confirmed from a native of Pakistan and Afghanistan,
Acacia modesta (Pulahi)...stem bark contained the triterpenes α-amyrin (found in dandelion), betulin (effective anti-inflamatory also found in Red Alder, as used by native americans), octacosanol and γ-sitosterol..[Josm, Tholia, Sharma 1975]..this was with benzene extracts..
it should be noted that similar tests which have been done on acacias and have found terpenes (a number reported in the thread, e.g. A. mellifera) would not find any alkaloids, if present, as these would be in their salt form, hence water soluble..

Pulahi and in the Punjab..
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Ethical Dilemma

On the one hand:
In Hawaii, Acacia Confusa is considered a pest, that ideally would be completely eliminated from the eco-system.
On the other hand:
Acacia Confusa is extremely valuable as a source for DMT.

So in some ways, irresponible wild harvesting that may kill the tree would be considered a good thing!

A tree I greedily hunked off a kilo of root bark, when examined a month later, looked absolutely healthy and recovered!

These are foreign trees, unlike the heritage of the wattles of Oz.
My first wife was an Aussie, who introduced me to the wealth of Acacias many years ago.
Driving up to Kociuscko from the coast, one sees a wealth of acacias. The image is stuck fast in my memory. That long road, up from Moruya, the back way to Cooma. God it was beautiful! And the wattles glowing in the light of a "setting sun".
Makes me homesick for my other home!
At least my kids are dualies, so they can go back and live if and when they get the desire.
Not sure if this is "Too Much Information?"
Just wanted to say it, as there seems to be a lot of Aussies on the site.

DP
 
Hi guys, I thought about posting this in the ID thread, but it's a bit more of a general question, so I hope it's ok here.

Well today I came across a group of young trees in the forest, whom with the help of the wattle key I have identified as A.Doratoxylon. The problem is that I already had a sample of A.Doratoxylon at home that I planned to test and they seem to be two very different species. The new sample has almost the exact texture? feel? of Australian mistletoe.. waxy, rubbery if you've played with a sprig of Aussie mistletoe you'll know what i'm talking about, and as I sit here handling it I can almost smell a familiar alkaloid-ish smell on my fingers. I can not wait to test this one! Do I really have to wait till it's dry? And has anyone ever noticed similarities with the Australian mistletoes in a high alkaloid acacia?

I have had performed so many "successful" extractions lately, I'm even getting crystals now, but so far all inactive.. need to learn some alkaloid identification skills!
 
awesome ^^ ..!! what species have you mainly been working with? i've had my eye on doratoxyn for a while now... first saw it in one of marion simmons acacia volumes... hope to see one in person some day and look forward to to hearing your results

gathered a little bit of oxycedrus today about 2 hrs from melbourne... flowers were much more lemon coloured than the specimens i found at the grampians. it started raining while i was collecting material and i'm unsure of whether it had rained much beforehand. it seemed a bit damp, so i will by no means take the results conclusively - though i wont get a chance to go out there for a while and curiosity got the better of me

by the way nen - I have 7 little caroleae seedlings growing at the moment, and they have quite a reddish colour to them - is this normal with this species? i have a feeling they don't like the frequent rain here so much... though they're slowly chugging along. the longissimas are growing quite fast though and seem quite resiliant so far
 
Acaciasubliminata..just experiment..go with the signs..:) every tree, and probably individual tree, is different in parameters..i await findings on dorratoxylon with immense interest..

acacian..yes caroleae is a very reddish species..and good to hear your still in the field on duty..


DonPeyote wrote:
These are foreign trees, unlike the heritage of the wattles of Oz.
My first wife was an Aussie, who introduced me to the wealth of Acacias many years ago.
Driving up to Kociuscko from the coast, one sees a wealth of acacias. The image is stuck fast in my memory. That long road, up from Moruya, the back way to Cooma. God it was beautiful! And the wattles glowing in the light of a "setting sun".
Makes me homesick for my other home!
At least my kids are dualies, so they can go back and live if and when they get the desire.
Not sure if this is "Too Much Information?"
Just wanted to say it, as there seems to be a lot of Aussies on the site.

DP
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..thank you for these impressions and sentiments DonPeyote..beautiful

i resonate with what you're saying, really...with regards to the 'information', it was after some considerable thought and reflection that i proceeded with the thread..it's i theory meant to keep the trees safer in the end, through diversity..it was partly inspired in defence of a couple of heavily targeted, exploited and mis-represented species who now may, hopefully, get a little rest..the burden was heavy..and as far as those who without forethought or consideration want to 'get dmt fast'..i'd assume this thread is a little "too much information" for them..

i hope there will be growing kindness and mindfulness of trees..
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i hope there will be growing kindness and mindfulness of trees..
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just on that note - i was recently directed to a very sad thread over at corroboree regarding some reckless wildharvesting of a rare alpine species.... its disheartening to know that people are still treating her like this and ignoring the blatanly obvious information on the net about harvesting live material... it brings me to rethink a comment (which I was initially in disagreement with) that Seldom made a while back regarding transperancy of information of active species. good honest information will reach the hearts of most - but I guess there will always be those few out there who just don't care and ruin it for everybody. a few idiots can do a lot of damage. to those out there, if your reading this - i hope you are happy and i trust this plant will deal with you the way you deserve...:thumb_dow
 
Hey Nen:

Muchas Gracias! Thanks for your reply. YOU made my day!

So, I tagged the big acacia (40' tall, 18-20" diameter) again today. Took some root, base, and trunk bark, maybe another kilo? I really don't think I can hurt this tree. It is just too big and tall. And the root system is humongous. Its like I'm stubbing it's toe? And the tree has a thousand toes!

Thank You tree.
Thank You Nen!

Stupid question:
It has been suggested that one should defat Acacia Confusa multiple times, before proceeding with the next step: the non-polar extraction.

Since I received a "D" in High School chemistry :oops: Any expert tips, suggestions, help, guidance and/or support, concerning the de-fatting of acacia Confusa are super appreciated!

I would love to know how to most effieciently accomplish 5 to 10 defats within a classical AB extraction.

Enough! Off to bed.
DP
 
I haven't played around with confusa but I don't think you really need to defat.. The oils that people end up with aren't really plant fats, but rather just a mixture of DMT and NMT that refuses to crystalize for some or other reason. If you don't care how your alkaloids look, as long as they are active (infuse some herbs, and voilá), then go for it normally. If you want crystals for some particular reason, you can try freeze precipitating instead of simply evaporating the solvent. Read around the forums, loads of people doing acacia confusa extraction lately.

If in any case you still want to do defatting, basically it's just mixing a non-polar solvent (like naphtha) with the acacia solution when its still in the ACIDIC phase, after you have reduced it and before you have added the base. Then you will separate the layers and discard the solvent, which won't have any alkaloids. You can repeat the process a couple of times.

Personally this feels like a very wasteful outdated process, to defat.. If I wanted something to similar effects, I'd play with FASI/FASA instead, or just extract without defatting and if the product isn't as I want at the end I'd recrystallize it or re-A/B it.
 
So....
I have a pound of very dry, very dense, ACRB powder.
Considering I harvested it yesterday, I'm proud of myself! Thank you Sun (very hot day) as well.
Once again (#4) I'm am going to attempt an A/B extraction.
The first two, (1 pounders) I followed Marsofold's excellent Tek.
The last one, with a kilo of bark, I followed 'Yours Truly's (Joshisom) Tek.
They are all variations on a theme.
They all deliver.
The result is simply extremely slow dring crystals of DMT/NMT, with the odd pure DMT crystal appearing randomly (50-100mg's), which always makes me think the Tree is telling me to "Sample me"...

OK, I'm blabberating.
I want to try something different this go around?
Yes, I want to magically transform the ACRB into MHRB, so that wonderful crystals appear so easily.
Actually, I don't. I'm having fun, and this is intellectually stimulating. I'm learning about chemistry, and trying new things.
My experiments with gassing the final Non-polar extractions with CO2 at various temperatures and pressures (80 to 100F, atmosphere to 10 or 20 psi (guessing)) yielded slight precipitates of red goo. Recrystallization was far superior at separating the "red goo" out.
The resultant "Clear Goo" is potent, but extremely slow crystallizing (weeks?).
I'd love to get "amazing crystals if you follow my AC tek", but so far so Goo....

Any advice is greatly appreciated!

DonPeyote
 
After re-crystallization of 1.5 grams reddish "goo", this is what I got. After a week, it has not changed its form.
Kinda crystalgoo?
I have not yet tried it, but I will.
Not quite in the headspace for spice at the moment.

DP
 

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Forgot to mention this:

Of the 2.5 grams of reddish 'Goo' that I recrystallized, there resulted a clear transparent goo.

After a week, the goo has not changed form.
SO... I am attempting to nudge the goo by seeding it with some pure crystals. Its helping maybe? Time will tell.
I will post any good results
 
..hi DonPeyote..the experiences sought by most here are about alkaloids, which may be solid or non-solid..the effects are what matters..so, in case you haven't read it there was this thread on A. confusa 'goo'>
endlessness' suggestion of re-x may or may not aid in solidification..the alchemical world is one of engagement..

acacian said:
i hope there will be growing kindness and mindfulness of trees..
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just on that note - i was recently directed to a very sad thread over at corroboree regarding some reckless wildharvesting of a rare alpine species.... its disheartening to know that people are still treating her like this and ignoring the blatanly obvious information on the net about harvesting live material... it brings me to rethink a comment (which I was initially in disagreement with) that Seldom made a while back regarding transperancy of information of active species. good honest information will reach the hearts of most - but I guess there will always be those few out there who just don't care and ruin it for everybody. a few idiots can do a lot of damage. to those out there, if your reading this - i hope you are happy and i trust this plant will deal with you the way you deserve...:thumb_dow
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..yes it's a very difficult issue..one which i do occasionally lose sleep over..
as mentioned way back, i won't be mentioning any further rare or threatened species for their own protection..
those that have been mentioned had already been put in the public domain, and in the case of one were being threatened by people who got the information 'word of mouth' and should know better..
as also mentioned in the thread a while back, this information is taken in by all sides of the issue..so, those rare species are in national parks/reserves..which have rangers..who at least can be more aware of what may further threaten these species..
ultimately, if people refuse to buy 'dmt' which they may be offered, they will put an end to much of the incentive for such barbaric acts..an individual and their friends experimenting do not require much plant material..
those who still buy into a market for 'dmt' are unwittingly putting plants at risk..and getting involved in bad karma..
please boycott these entheogenic thugs..
as the (also missed) Phyllode put it in a thread on another site, these people are no better than mining companies..

grow and you will grow..
 
..the plants are lifeforms who have sustained great sacrifices so that some humans can supposedly become more connected or spiritual..but obviously not all humans really hear in their hearts what is the balanced, caring, responsible way to act..
..it is up to some of us other humans to take these unaware fellow humans on..
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Thanks Nen

After reading a bit more into the forum RE: Acacia's, I'm understanding a bit more of what you are trying to communicate. Hopefully?
Maybe its a blessing that MHRB is lately unavailable, and its almost effortless pure white crystal DMT, come straight from some tree far far away. We have no idea how those trees were harvested, or if its absolute Mimosa bedlam in the forest?
Now, we have to turn around, and confront the living tree itself.
I think I hear what you are saying.
And we and the tree, are in this together.
So, I'm thinking - from here on out - respect for the extraction = respect for the tree.
And be kind to the trees, because they are showing us kindness by giving us DMT/NMT and other allies.

DP
 
..i appreciate your comments DonPeyote..

the understanding of and compassion towards Trees, and the Environment as a whole, is IMO a far more 'spiritual' path than the appreciation of simply an isolated molecule without knowledge of it's source, ethics or sustainability..
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Reporting on my Acacia Longifolia Extraction, not good i believe i am getting the more in histamine type i really don't know but i end up with this white kind of crystal looking spots and when scraped is a yellow really dusty powder, tried smoking it felt nothing maybe it was histamine?? anyway i am moving on from Longifolia till later in future, I have found Maidenii, Floribunda, Mucronata around my neighbourhood, will be reporting on results soon!
 
TurtleWithWings..this is possible, and is why caution is always advised in this thread..
the simplest test (without re-agents) would be this: Histamine freebase and it's derivatives are soluble in water..
Tryptamine-derivative freebases are not..
there was an entry on in the thread on p.10> Histamines..histamine itself has very widely varying toxicity between different kinds of animals..e.g. it is a lot more toxic to cats than mice..
the acacia histamine-derivative Cinnamoylhistamine was detected in Acacia sophorae (now A. longifolia var. sophorae), and not in 'standard' longifolia (though it may be present in some cases) ..it's toxicity is highly unknown..it should be noted, though, that the amounts found in the test on A. sophorae were very small..

it is an ongoing matter of collaborative research to identify chemotypes of various acacia species..in this way they are similar Phalaris species..
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the species listed in The Top 8 Acacias to Grow Worldwide thread have a reasonable degree of known safe usage and stable/known content...sticking to these would minimise the inherent risks involved in experimenting with most acacias..
this isn't for many people to take such risks, and i don't encourage it..

many are just fun to grow, anyway..and help improve the soil..
 
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