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..come on someome...this is important news! 
and congratulations
A. pycnantha is widely planted, around the world..
there is at least one known fairly high yielding DMT result, and S. Voogelbreinder (2009) got small amounts from phyllodes..
here's the Australian Governor-General on Wattle Day (Sept. 1st) with A. baileyana..
and below, a very healthy park planted A. pycnantha..
and congratulations A. pycnantha is widely planted, around the world..
there is at least one known fairly high yielding DMT result, and S. Voogelbreinder (2009) got small amounts from phyllodes..
here's the Australian Governor-General on Wattle Day (Sept. 1st) with A. baileyana..
and below, a very healthy park planted A. pycnantha..
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Barrettium
Rising Star
LowHP said:Excited to hear the results on the A.victoriae.It grows everywhere here, would be an excellent source and teacher.
Sorry for the delayed reply, I've been rather busy. Unfortunately, the a.victoriae root bark did not yield a visible result, though that could be due to the tree itself. I have about 150g worth of phyllodes that have been sitting in acetate water for about 3 weeks now and will finally get around to finishing the experiment over the coming days. I will also try RB and phyllodes from other specimens over the coming weeks to see if at least one yields a solid result. Both the thin and fat phyllode a.victoriae variations grow out here, so there could possibly be a difference from trying the fat phyllode variation - have only tried the thin phyllode variation so far.
Still plan to test the other local species that are yet to be tested, will just take a bit more time then I had previously thought it would.
These acacia information were scanned from a botanical book using my almost dead old scanner :lol: . It includes valuable information about acacias (Mainly in Africa). Acacias described are:
1- Acacia melifera
2- Acacia laeta
3- Acacia asak
4- Acacia tortilis
5- Acacia nilotica
6- Acacia pachyceras
7- Acacia oerfota
8- Acacia seyal
9- Acacia ehrenbergiana
10- Acacoa etbaica
1- Acacia melifera
2- Acacia laeta
3- Acacia asak
4- Acacia tortilis
5- Acacia nilotica
6- Acacia pachyceras
7- Acacia oerfota
8- Acacia seyal
9- Acacia ehrenbergiana
10- Acacoa etbaica
..thank you Stainer..a few species not looked at in the thread before..
(just wondering where the pics vanished..? try attaching..)
the African threaders have been quiet for a while...
look forward to more reports from the continent..
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(just wondering where the pics vanished..? try attaching..)
the African threaders have been quiet for a while...
look forward to more reports from the continent..
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..and thanks Barrettium for the report..it's a pursuit of patience and observation, such undertakings..
might get into some spiritual matters again soon...
be well acacians all
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might get into some spiritual matters again soon...
be well acacians all
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love to all acacians
TurtleWithWings
Rising Star
Been a while since extracting due to a broken collarbone, but i'm nearly to the point where i can use my arm again, while that i have been stocking up on supply , So my next extract will be on Acacia Floribunda Phyllodes and Leaf seperate, i was reading about people oven drying so it lead me thinking, this may sound like a stupid question but are you meant to dry the plant matter until it is cracker dry(no green left)?.....I have just been drying it until it is snappable with fingers....cheers!
, So my next extract will be on Acacia Floribunda Phyllodes and Leaf seperate, i was reading about people oven drying so it lead me thinking, this may sound like a stupid question but are you meant to dry the plant matter until it is cracker dry(no green left)?.....I have just been drying it until it is snappable with fingers....cheers!
DreaMTripper
Rising Star
Snappables fine I think, good luck and remember to remember what time of year and day you harvested at and the previous rainfall!
Is it from the bush or urban/semi-urban environment? My hunch is urban evironments arent conducive for acacia to produce dmt.
Another couple of questions , has anyone known of an implexa-pycantha hybrid? I thought I saw one earlier, the smooth trunk bark of pycantha and the red stems but the sickle shaped hook phyllodes of implexa, will post a photo soon.
Are there any known actives in the NT or NW Aus? Broome - Kimberleys region? I imagine there must be..
How about NZ active acacias?
Is it from the bush or urban/semi-urban environment? My hunch is urban evironments arent conducive for acacia to produce dmt.
Another couple of questions , has anyone known of an implexa-pycantha hybrid? I thought I saw one earlier, the smooth trunk bark of pycantha and the red stems but the sickle shaped hook phyllodes of implexa, will post a photo soon.
Are there any known actives in the NT or NW Aus? Broome - Kimberleys region? I imagine there must be..
How about NZ active acacias?
TurtleWithWings
Rising Star
Cheers for the reply! and yes all the acacias i harvest from are just around the corner off me it is a bicycle/jogging track that leads into a bush area.
And that's whats worrying me as you said about rainfall, i harvested the floribunda morethan 1 month ago and i dont remember recounting rain days or weeks before harvest, ill just have to hope theirs goodies in it!
Oh and the floribunda i have now is in the bushy area although i have had success with a longifolia and mucronata extraction in the bicycle track part and this success was only at autumn or early winter can't remember, since then i've done mucronata and longifolia with no success of dmt present...( but then again i've did the previous extractions in a rush and was thinking i maybe overheated as people here has said acacias deggrade with too much heat.) hope all goes well, will be reporting back on results!
And that's whats worrying me as you said about rainfall, i harvested the floribunda morethan 1 month ago and i dont remember recounting rain days or weeks before harvest, ill just have to hope theirs goodies in it!
Oh and the floribunda i have now is in the bushy area although i have had success with a longifolia and mucronata extraction in the bicycle track part and this success was only at autumn or early winter can't remember, since then i've done mucronata and longifolia with no success of dmt present...( but then again i've did the previous extractions in a rush and was thinking i maybe overheated as people here has said acacias deggrade with too much heat.) hope all goes well, will be reporting back on results!
DreaMTripper
Rising Star
Ooo another mention of mucronata! My curiosity deepens
Was it subsp longifolia?
On the a.longifolia itself what did you yield? Great to read of some successes! Cheers
Was it subsp longifolia?
On the a.longifolia itself what did you yield? Great to read of some successes! Cheers
TurtleWithWings
Rising Star
well the thing is i didn't have much knowledge with identifying back then so i harvested acacia longifolia and acacia mucronata. var longifolia at the same time thinkin their both Longifolias, with 100gram leaf extraction i yielded what looked like atleast 300mg-400mg but was hard to tell because it was orange oil/goo with crystals but when scraped it was like the oil just ate up the crystals, didn't bother weighing it up and i'm fairly positive the oil/goo was NMT or some other Tryptamine, with no doubt it had DMT because of the scent and the smell of smoke.
I will be experimenting with both again but only this time not make the mistake and doing them seperate.
*EDIT* and with the successful extraction i remeber not acidifying the second acid cook, dont know if it helped though and another thing that interested me is after this extraction i attempted another with the leftovers but was left with the same thing exept it had no visuals and instead turned into some sort of black goop when scraped (what lays behind that?) maybe contaminants? i don't know
I will be experimenting with both again but only this time not make the mistake and doing them seperate.
*EDIT* and with the successful extraction i remeber not acidifying the second acid cook, dont know if it helped though and another thing that interested me is after this extraction i attempted another with the leftovers but was left with the same thing exept it had no visuals and instead turned into some sort of black goop when scraped (what lays behind that?) maybe contaminants? i don't know
Barrettium
Rising Star
Ok, so I got around to finishing the experiment on a.victoriae phyllodes.
I had to separate the basified mix into two jars.
I added about 100ml Naphtha - per pull - to the larger jar (900ml jar (forgot about the smaller jar until the next day)) and let it sit overnight. Pulled naphtha next day and popped it in the freezer. After 24 hours I noticed that about half the volume of naphtha had turned to a white ice like structure that was suspended in the naphtha. Unfortunately it was about a 30m walk, during the day, to where I was to pour the naphtha through a coffee filer - in hindsight not a smart idea as the "ice" structure had melted back into the solution by the time I got inside.
The inside of the jar was coated with a white film like structure that I left to air dry and the coffee filter had a white hue to it, though wasn't able to scrape anything from it.
I then combined the next 3 pulls from the larger jar, with three pulls from the smaller jar - all pulls were done over the next 24 hours. I then left the naphtha to evaporate, instead of freeze precip. Two days later I scraped up the yellow crystal residue, which netted just under 800mg of yellow waxy powder.
I am yet to try it, I have 50g of syrian rue seeds coming in the mail, so I might try and ingest some with harmala, and try vape some with and without harmala to see how much DMT is actually contained in the mix - being phyllodes it could be mostly fats and oils.
I Also have some powdered/shredded bark sitting in a vinegar solution that I plan to leave for another week or two and try with that, that way there should be much less fats and oils.
Here are the photos:
1. Vinegar solution poured into larger jar
2. May be hard to see, but a photo of the freeze precip jar with the bottom half being a white solid structure.
3. Filtering setup
4. Inside view of the filter paper from freeze precip jar
5. White film left on the freeze precip jar
6. Evaporationg solution
I had to separate the basified mix into two jars.
I added about 100ml Naphtha - per pull - to the larger jar (900ml jar (forgot about the smaller jar until the next day)) and let it sit overnight. Pulled naphtha next day and popped it in the freezer. After 24 hours I noticed that about half the volume of naphtha had turned to a white ice like structure that was suspended in the naphtha. Unfortunately it was about a 30m walk, during the day, to where I was to pour the naphtha through a coffee filer - in hindsight not a smart idea as the "ice" structure had melted back into the solution by the time I got inside.
The inside of the jar was coated with a white film like structure that I left to air dry and the coffee filter had a white hue to it, though wasn't able to scrape anything from it.
I then combined the next 3 pulls from the larger jar, with three pulls from the smaller jar - all pulls were done over the next 24 hours. I then left the naphtha to evaporate, instead of freeze precip. Two days later I scraped up the yellow crystal residue, which netted just under 800mg of yellow waxy powder.
I am yet to try it, I have 50g of syrian rue seeds coming in the mail, so I might try and ingest some with harmala, and try vape some with and without harmala to see how much DMT is actually contained in the mix - being phyllodes it could be mostly fats and oils.
I Also have some powdered/shredded bark sitting in a vinegar solution that I plan to leave for another week or two and try with that, that way there should be much less fats and oils.
Here are the photos:
1. Vinegar solution poured into larger jar
2. May be hard to see, but a photo of the freeze precip jar with the bottom half being a white solid structure.
3. Filtering setup
4. Inside view of the filter paper from freeze precip jar
5. White film left on the freeze precip jar
6. Evaporationg solution
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looking very promising Barretium.. look forward to hearing bioassay. good luck
..very interesting Barrettium thank you..
but please bare in mind that for a first initial test, vaporisation is the safest option rather than oral..
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please see Safety and Risks, page1 index
but please bare in mind that for a first initial test, vaporisation is the safest option rather than oral..
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please see Safety and Risks, page1 index
DreaMTripper
Rising Star
Do yellow dead phyllodes/leaves retain alkaloids, after constant rain? Suspected pycantha or saligna..
Also, what are the green balls present now on a.longifolia subsp.longifolia while seeding?
Also, what are the green balls present now on a.longifolia subsp.longifolia while seeding?
TurtleWithWings
Rising Star
Dreamtripper, those green hard balls? I opened up once by digging bits out and I found larvae maggots crawling inside little holes inside the ball and theres more than one inside.
polmos
Rising Star
If the Bark\Phyllodes of an Acacia have no bitter taste,
is that a direct indication that there is no reasonable ammounts of Dmt\Alkaloids in it ?
Are there Acacia's that don't taste very bitter & still contain good ammounts of dmt ?
Reason being, some A. Victoriae trunk\branch bark was harvested (from a freshly fallen tree) dried\grinded & is soaking in a Vinegar\Water solution, but it does not taste bitter...
A. Victoriae IS on the list of confirmed species list on page #1, post #12 of this thread.
And was harvested after dry weather & was not flowering\seeding.
I estimate that the tree fell down about 4-5 days before harvesting & drying... (the inner bark was still red & sappy...)
Should the extraction still be completed to find out ?
Cheers.
is that a direct indication that there is no reasonable ammounts of Dmt\Alkaloids in it ?
Are there Acacia's that don't taste very bitter & still contain good ammounts of dmt ?
Reason being, some A. Victoriae trunk\branch bark was harvested (from a freshly fallen tree) dried\grinded & is soaking in a Vinegar\Water solution, but it does not taste bitter...
A. Victoriae IS on the list of confirmed species list on page #1, post #12 of this thread.
And was harvested after dry weather & was not flowering\seeding.
I estimate that the tree fell down about 4-5 days before harvesting & drying... (the inner bark was still red & sappy...)
Should the extraction still be completed to find out ?
Cheers.