Using dmt or ayahuasca as a dietary suppliment

[endlessness]

No fractal I dont eat meat for maybe 5 years, except the quite rare sustainably caught fish, that either I or someone close or local fisherman got (last time was over a year ago).

My diet consists of a lot of vegetables (mostly cooked I guess but some raw too), salads, grains (quinoa, different rices, couscous,etc) sprouts, nuts, cereals, grains and a lot of fruits. I used to make kefir or yoghurt with organic milk but its been a while since I didnt. I also eat some cheese occasionaly, mostly organic. Occasionally something with eggs, but only organic/free range. Im not a radical, I dont have esoteric beliefs about food, but I try to be healthy and balanced, thinking of my body as well as sustainability and impact on other life forms.

 

[jamie]

another thing you can do ray is get some superfoods like maca, raw bee pollen and honey, spirulina etc and add them to fruit smoothies. Your body will start to detox once off animal products and these foods will help you mineralize and keep your energy levels up.

Do you think animal products are bad for everyone or just some people? I read a book once called eat right for your type, linking blood type to what foods we should be eating, have you heard of this idea ?

I was into blood types abotu 2 years ago when my doctor told me for my blood type I had to eat meat and suggested I eat free range buffalo..I tried it-was not for me. After reading as much as I could and studies like the China Study I began to disreguard all of this blood type stuff. I think all humans would do well without meat personally, as long as they know enough about nutrition to get a fully balanced diet going..which is something alot of vegans do not do.

The fact that doctors told I was the blood type that needed meat, and I still feel alot better without it tells me that there is not much truth to it and that is is most likely a myth that will someday be cast out.

Another issue is the b12 thing..which for a long time I was torn over..but now I think personally that it has been shown well enoug that b12 is found in both ocean water, river water and spring water, at roughly 1 microgram per litre in untreated fresh water..you can google it the studies are there..also if you eat organic and wild foods expecially right from the earth you will bve consuming b12 from the micoorganisms on the plants from the earth. Alot of people clean the food or dont have organic etc so they wont get enough b12..and they drink tap water. Tap water has also been shown to contain many trace ammounts of pharmaceuticals that actaully inhibit the absorbtion of b12 by the body. Another thing most dont know is that percentage wise, vegan b12 deficiency is not any more common than found in meat eaters...

So both of these)the blood type thing and b12 issue) are 2 issues brought up alot that I tend to think are really misunderstood by alot of people..especailly the b12 issue..there needs to be more research there on RAW AND LIVE foods as well and not analysis on burnt dead plants.

 

[endlessness]

I wasn't looking for it at the time, but a huge part of my decision to become a vegetarian and eat healthily has been from an aya trip where I went in a tour through my weaknesses and faults, including my eating habits.

I think the fact that you are working on it, from whatever angle it is, is already a good thing. Less people supporting fast food industry and buying unhealthy packaged crap = a step towards sustainability

did you notice that after this aya trip that your cravings for unhealthy foods diminished? or did you still get cravings and just fight through it ?

No craving at all, since those days (and 'taking deep roots' gradually over time) I felt disgusted with crap food.

Oh and, exercise is an essential companion to good food habits

 

[jamie]

yes after a while of eating really clean consistantly your body will have eliminated most of the crap you have eaten in the past and you loose your cravings. I think fruit is designed to look appealing and beautiful so we will eat it..and alot of people are not sensitive to that anymore becaue they are so polluted with addictive and destructive crap food. Once you get that out of the system you dont want it anymore..you will gravitate to real food and it will just feel natural. That is how it is sopposed to be I think.

 

[RayOfLight]

This thread is at risk of adopting a tone not in keeping with the Nexus attitude so Im gonna bow out of it.

RayofLight-why dont you try fasting rather than taking substances to help you with your problem?

I have fasted before but it didn't have the same kind of effect as mushrooms or dmt on me, I know that most people that use psychedelics on a regular basis manage to stay healthy and eat properly vs the general public that doesn't use psychedelics

I go through a phase right after a trip where all i can eat is fruit and everything else sickens me so I figured that more trips would equal more time in that state of awareness.

Its clear to me that there's a connection between tripping and eating properly, I'm just trying to pin down the details of that connection and hopefully be able to integrate it into my life .

 

[jamie]

i get that as well while I am tripping and afterwords. I think it is the right brain activation that provokes that responce..the right brain responds to real foods and craves them like fresh fruits etc..we are far more in tune and receptive in that state and the barriers of years of cultural brainwashing in reguards to what food really is are no longer operating..we are tuned in and fully receptive. It makes sense that a mango would be more appealing than a hotdog in that state.

 

[RayOfLight]

Good advise, thank you.

Endlessness I wish what happened to you would happen to me, an instant psychedelically induced and permanent disgust for bad food, thats the dream but I guess we're dealt the hand we're dealt and we have to work with what we have.

a few nights ago I vaped some dmt and have noticed the past few days I haven't really been having the cravings I normally would, I thought maybe even if I smoke or take a light oral dose every few days or so I could stay in the same state.

I still think I might try iboga to help with this just because of its legendary reputation for helping people with addictions and how it re wires the brain for a long period after use.

Fractal many good points on this topic as always and I appreciate you sharing what you know about it.

 

[RayOfLight]

another thing I've been thinking about lately is integration in general... possibly the reason I was having bad trips when smoking dmt was that I hadn't integrated the lesson of taking better care of myself and perhaps dmt was punishing me for that.

Another thought on it was that maybe I should just be integrating more psychedelics into my diet and thats what the problem was.

I'll figure it all out I'm sure, I'm still young .

 

[RayOfLight]

I cant believe I missed the other thread about cappi for weight loss ..... so someone else here has used this approach before and yielded results, I'm gonna try it. Ill let you know how it goes.

 

[humblebee]

I'm glad to see this subject. DMT entities showed me some interesting things about food a couple of times that lead to my cutting out sugar and bread almost completely. Once in a while dark chocolate and fruit.

As well as my revisiting shrooms recently. For one thing my dream state has changed to being instructive occasionally. I seem to go thru phases of a few days of instructive dreams. In them there is something that tells me things; something that is that same 'something' I can't "see" but hear with my whole body during the end of a shroom trip and during DMT visits. I don't tell anyone cuz they'll think I'm nuts.

Most recently in a dream they told me that I shouldn't eat beef, then presented a cow, (I thought 'how silly'). I asked why and they brought me to a microscope and said "see, it's not fit to eat." I don't remember what I saw, but I now get sickened by the thought of eating cow. Weird right?

I never ate much meat any way. Oddly I am having a tough time with even the thought of eating chicken and fish lately too. Veggies are good. I wish they'd show me something about pasta, I love pasta. I eat it a couple a times a week. But whatevah!

 

[jamie]

we make pasta all the time without any grains..we have a spiralizer and we spiral zucchinni into long noodles and then make a raw pasta sauce.

 

[RayOfLight]

spaghetti squash is a great pasta alternative too.

 

[jamie]

I want to stress that getting where you want to be, no matter where that is or what aspect of life it pertains to requires that you stop blaming or judging..that includes blaming yourself..accept that you chose to be where you are at now..also accept that you can choose to be where you wish to be tommorow..and that noone else is going to be responciple for you reaching that place or not.

You cannot eat out of guilt..which is what I think alot of people do when they try to loose weight or change diet etc..it is all abotu feeling guilty about how they eat..they blame themselves and feel bad about where they are.They feel guilty they ate that pizza last night so they try tp puniosh themselves today by eating plates of carrots etc.. Most of us are raised on unhealthy diet habits, becasue our parents were raised on those same habit..it is noones fault..it just is..

Accpet it..accept where you are and love yourself..love your food. Eat out of love and stop feeling guilty. I have met alot of people that have this sort of "dietary neurosis" where they stress about eating all day long..instead of eating out of love for themselves and nourishing the body and mind, it appears more as if they are torturing themselves..if you really feel tortured when on a certain diet, than you dont really trust it I think..and you are not eating out of love.

When you eat out of love, you do not feel bad..you do not feel tortured..you do not feel guilty or ashamed about the foods you eat/once ate..you are just where you are at..and you know where you want to be at tommorow, and you know that what you are doing today is the best thing you can be doing for yourself. So really, some people might not be ready to change they're diet..it is the same with drug addiction..alot of people do not WANT to change..they are not ready..people only change when they are ready to change. When they reach the point where they are ready they usually do not look back.

I did not become a raw vegan overnight. I tried in the past and just felt sorry for myself that I had to eat this way and complained about it..only when I realized one day this was the best thing I could ever do did I finally WANT to do this instead of feeling like I was FORCING myself to do this. That was when I finally was able to stick with it and it was easy.

 

[RayOfLight]

Wow fractal, you just described exactly what I've been going through. thats gotta be the most insightful and wise post I've ever read on the subject.

Really resonates as being totally true.

That post is pure gold, I'm gonna really let it sink in . thank you .

 

[christian]

I think that using Ayahusasca frequently is certainly one way of forcing oneself to eat healthier. Actually, a while ago i thought that perhaps the Ayahuasca diet is the diet that humans are supposed to eat. Perhaps it's easier to just maintain this diet and whilst in the habit oif Ayahuasca???

-In reference to the bit about cutting out the junk, i have found this EXTREMELY easy to do thanks to a consistent high intensity weight training and aerobics regime. Basically, i don't have any cravings for junk food, i'm more aware of the foods my body NEEDS, and i eat the right foods, at the right times, and my body maximises the absorbtion of the nutrients provided by the diet. Also, if i eat junk food, i "crowd out" space for lean proteins, and really notice a drop in my fitness and well being, and vica versa....

-I don't wanna sound like a know it all, but trust me on this. I've learnt the hard way. Trying to eat healthily without hard exercise is extremely difficult.99% of the reason for eating junk is due to comfort eating. Hard exercise takes away this negative habit, and makes you automatically eat healthily. It's also a great way to stop smoking IMO.

-I would reccomend a high protein diet of 3 main meals,and 2 snacks of moderate portion. Based on protein (lean meat, eggs, fish, dairy), Seasonal vegetables, wholemeal rice,spagetti,etc and seeds, nuts, and fruit.

-Exercising with weights 3 times per week intensely, non stop for 45 minutes, and 3x 30-45 minute aerobic sessions.

- Live like this, and your body will function superbly. Because of this you will absorb nutrients and dispell toxins effectively, as well as improve all areas of you fitness and well being.

>> PS, I found the "body for life" by bill phillips book to be a really good read, mostly for the positive psychology, and explanations. I reccomend anyone with weight issues or diet issues, to read this "corny" book. There's a lot of good in it!

>>>jUST MY 2 pence!

 

[RayOfLight]

Today I went jogging for an hour and lifted weights for half an hour or so,
the weight lifting thing is going to be easy for me as I've gotten myself a really nice free weight set up in my basement.
I've been drinking ginseng/green tea as well and to be honest I haven't really craved junk food in the last few days after the dmt smoking session a I had.

I'm going start making a cappi tea and adding that into my diet as well after reading about another member having success with it. I'll just have to experiment with dose and see if I can find something that works for me.

I agree with you that the exercise plays a crucial role and defiantly helps one cultivate love for themselves.

Attempt after attempt to do this is actually building up my fortitude I think.
My friends been going on about the body for life program but I haven't really been paying much attention, I'll check it out.

Its reassuring to hear of another person that just doesn't even have the desire to eat junk food anymore, encouraging to say the least .

thanks for the advise.

 

[Serenity]

I agree with RayOfLIght. That was an incredibly insightful and helpful post, fractal. Thank you for relating your experiences.

 

[proto-pax]

I've been a vegetarian for about two years, and I only sparingly have animal products. This didn't happen overnight, rather for about the past 5 years or so I realized that eating and killing animals wasn't something I mentally was comfortable with and my body wasn't to happy about it either. I used to be really overweight as well. I started thinking about what I was putting into my body and why. Looking back I definitely see it as an addiction (not only my experience, but people who I know in real life that can't break the cycle of gorging on junk food). For awhile it was just not consuming junk food, and after moving out of my parents house I stopped eating meat. About a year ago I started toning down my use of animal products, and it's gotten to the point where I don't really even want them anymore.


The biggest aid in quitting all of that though was thinking how I interacted with the world. Do I really want to eat meat and contribute to endless cruelty? Do I really want to give money companies that are alright with the mutilation and wholesale slaughter of animals? The absolutely enormous amount of waste involved in the production of processed food stuff and animal products is staggering. I cannot go to sleep at night if I am doing something against my ethical code.

It is a hard paradigm shift, but if your body agrees with the diet you want to adhere to and your mind wants to as well absolutely nothing but good will come from it.

 

[jamie]

"I would reccomend a high protein diet of 3 main meals,and 2 snacks of moderate portion. Based on protein (lean meat, eggs, fish, dairy), Seasonal vegetables, wholemeal rice,spagetti,etc and seeds, nuts, and fruit."

Protein is very acid forming in the body and overconsumption has been thought by many to be part of the cause of many diseases. If you look at vegan bodybuilders, even ones that consume no nuts and are fruitarian, most of them are more muscular than meat eaters..why? Becasue you dont need protein..yes thats right, contrary to popular belief the body does not require any protein.

Amino acids are what build muscles, not protein. Protein is the middle man and the body has to expend alot of energy in order to convert protein into the amino acids it uses to build muscle. Fruits and vegetables are loaded with muscle building amino acids that lend themselves to muscle development more than protein does..you just have to eat them raw. If you cook them, you also destory those same amino acids. This is something that alot of people dont know and the whole protein myth just continues.

Ever seen a bonobo? How much protein do they eat? Barely any if at all..yet look at the muscle mass of a bonobos body..

I personally do not think that animal flesh is ideal food, but that is just me and I wont tell others what to eat. I may be wrong as well but so far from my own experience, listening to the experiences others have had and from studies like the "china study" I have concluded that animal flesh is just not the best thing to consume you want to maintain optimum health.

There have been points in our history where eating meat was necessary..if you trying to survive the winter in northern europe and there is no frozen fruits or tropical fruits etc available to purchase, no stores to go to..then of course you HAVE to hunt to get through the winter..the same goes for the native americans...there is no way they could have survived a canadian winter living on plants..fish, buffalo, dear etc were staples in they're diet for reasons of survival. I just dont see that being a necessity anymore where I live. I pick as much wild foods as I can, and freeze my berries that I pick..what i cant pick I buy..and in the winter here that means I cant forrage for fruits..so I would need to eat meat if I did not have the access I have to either frozen local fruit or tropical fruits..but I do have access and I live in a very warm(for canada) temperate environment where tons of fruit grows with a long growing season so local frozen fruit is always available. It is just not a necessity any longer for me to eat meat to survive unlike my ancestors in northern europe. I feel way better since I got off meat and diary so I no longer see it's relevance in my diet.

That said, I still have alot of respect for people that hunt for the meat they eat and respect the animals that they kill, because it is a HUGE step forward from the horrible factory farming we have present today..and of course eating wild organic meats is going to be way way healthier than eating the stuff most stores are going to sell you filled with all kinds of weird growth hormones and god knows what else...I am not against the idea of people eating meat if that is they're choice..but I am against the cruelty that goes on in mainstream factory farming and also the effects that it has on the environment..

 

[Laban Shrewsbury III]

Protein is very acid forming in the body and overconsumption has been thought by many to be part of the cause of many diseases. If you look at vegan bodybuilders, even ones that consume no nuts and are fruitarian, most of them are more muscular than meat eaters..why? Becasue you dont need protein..yes thats right, contrary to popular belief the body does not require any protein.

Amino acids are what build muscles, not protein. Protein is the middle man and the body has to expend alot of energy in order to convert protein into the amino acids it uses to build muscle. Fruits and vegetables are loaded with muscle building amino acids that lend themselves to muscle development more than protein does..you just have to eat them raw. If you cook them, you also destory those same amino acids. This is something that alot of people dont know and the whole protein myth just continues.

Asinine. Fruitarian bodybuilders? Wherever have you seen these impossible creatures?

Protein is absolutely essential to the healthy functioning of the human body. This is not a disputed fact in any credible area of nutritional science.

Protein is simply a collective term for any given combination of amino acids. It can can be readily broken down into constituent free aminos by anyone with a functioning stomach and pancreas, and since every cell in the body is in a continuous state of protein turnover, a full range of free aminos (difficult to accumulate via vegetable sources, outright impossible via fruit) is required at all times. Exactly how much a person needs depends on a great many factors, but for anyone weighing more than a small child and with activity levels higher than a slug, 0.5g per lb of lean body mass would be considered minimal. For purposes of muscle building, 1g/lb lean mass at least. And all protein sources should be as varied as possible (i.e. not derived strictly from one narrow food category) in order to accumulate the full range of aminos required by the body's tissues.

Excess protein (somewhere in the absurd ballpark of more than 2g/lb of lean body mass) consumption is easily dealt with by a pair of healthy kidneys and cycled into urea. Eating insufficient calories, as is quite likely to result from a strictly plant-based diet, sequesters free aminos away from cell renewal and into energy metabolism, meaning the body is much less able to repair itself. Chronic catabolism is not a desirable state for any organism to be in, and it should not be recommended.