Vaping with Syrian Rue

[The Sofa Traveler]

I would prefer however if the afterglow only last 30 mins with the chance to extend with further tokes. I am not sure if I should reduce the SR down to 2 or 2.5g or just do 3g again but take a smaller toke to make the DMT last less longer?

I think a shorter acting ROA for rue/harmalas (sublingual or smoked) could help reduce the afterglow time and the recurring waves.

 

[theghost]

doing changa is on my list, i dont have enough powder to make it at the minute. but that might be easier - esp if i can make it work in a vaporizer rather than smoking.

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

doing changa is on my list, i dont have enough powder to make it at the minute. but that might be easier - esp if i can make it work in a vaporizer rather than smoking.

Vaporizing changa is not the best approach, harmalas and DMT have almost 100°C vaporization temperature gap, if your vaporizer temp is fine for the DMT, it will be sub-optimal for vaporizing the harmalas. If you have optimal temp to vaporize harmalas, it will likely burn the DMT. My favorite approach is e-cig DMT with harmalas taken separately, whether the ROA. Instead of changa, you could as well just do harmalas infused herbs (basically, a changa without DMT) and use the e-cig for DMT administration.

 

[theghost]

could i have 2 vaporizers? and 2 sets of leaf?
i suppose as i have the e vape i have carry on using that for DMT.
it just means i am using another tool to take the harmala

Does vaped harmala last similar to sub lingual or less?

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

could i have 2 vaporizers? and 2 sets of leaf?

Yes, this is actually doable. A vaporizer with DMT infused herbs, and another one with harmalas infused herbs. The vaporizer for harmalas herbs will need to be able to reach at least 250-260°C whereas somewhere in the 160-200°C range should be enough for the DMT. But as you said, if you already are used to e-cig for the DMT, you could keep this route and device and get a dry herbs vaporizer to vaporize separately the harmalas infused herbs.

Does vaped harmala last similar to sub lingual or less?

I'd say it's more or less equivalent, but the vaporized harmalas will kick in much faster. For both effects would last about 60 to 90mn, more or less depending on the dose.
Sublingual usually requires 10/15 minutes for full absorption while it's almost instantaneous with smoked/vaporized harmalas.
Other advantage with smoked/vaporized harmalas is that it allows for a better fine tuning of the dose. You can top up as much as you want, with quick rising effects, until your reach the sweet spot.

 

[theghost]

Thanks

I wanna try changa but I have a strong bias against combustion smoking

I dont really like vapid tbh but I suck it up as it were as its the lesser of evils.

Could i just put freebase harmalas in the vape then without the leaf? but then i assume there is a point in having the left.

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

Could i just put freebase harmalas in the vape then without the leaf? but then i assume there is a point in having the left.

You could vaporize harmalas powder without herbs of course but depending on the vaporizer you're using, it might increase the risk to spoil the device as harmalas are a very thin powder and could go through mesh grid or capsule holes.
If you want to use the harmalas without infusing them on herbs, you could sandwich them between two herbs layers.

 

[Animistic]

Ime sublingual FBed harmala doesn't have a strong taste, but manske salts do, intensely so lol. Maybe I'm a bit of an anomaly there? But thought to share my experience.

Myself, I don't find rue all that euphoric on its own. It opens a meditative headspace and pushing dosage higher makes it more psychedelic but with more discomfort, nausea, vomiting even, dizziness etc.

I suggest when you get the FB just put a tiny bit on your tongue and try it. If it is true freebase it has significantly less taste than salt form. But I love the long afterglow myself so we may have different tastes.