Veggie Oils and Fumaric Acid question

[Celly]

Hello,

I've been used to drinking Jurema made in a more or less traditional way for years but the taste has grown more and more unbearable to me. The past few months I've taken to making it, reducing it a lot, freezing it in small candy molds and swallowing them whole with some dairy drink...
So I decided to get out of my comfort zone and do some extractions. I'm aiming for something that can still be taken orally. I don't mind if the result is a bit gooey or taste of oranges or something, I'll probably mix it with jam and eat it on a toast anyway.

So here is my plan and I'd like to know if it will work.

Basically I'd like to do the Poor Man's Tek with a twist

Thread 'The Poor Mans Tek - A 100% Fat Free, Food Safe, Grocery Store Solution to DMT Extraction'

Jan 21, 2010

Several members here at the nexus have been asking me for sometime now to give this method of extraction a write up. It has been criticized by some, but for a fact - this method of dmt extraction is exceedingly easy and yes, it works.

Keep in mind this is not the advanced clandestine chemists ideal method of extracting dmt, however, this method will prove invaluable to the person who finds him/herself in a position of not being able to procure solvents or chemicals that the ideal methods would call for. Also it will no doubt be a valuable tool to those who want a completely food safe...

• Spiceman
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I'd follow the steps with Sodium Carbonate, a mix of vegetable oils that are known to work (olive and sunflower), then after the first few pulls I'd mix some Orange Essential Oil (about 90% Limonen) in the oils to keep pulling.

However using vinegar or lemon juice or the other acids proposed seem a bit messy (mostly I'm afraid of the long evaporation time in my small kitchen). Would it be possible at this point to use FASW ? Pull oil, mix it in FASW, reuse the oil but get clean FASW for each pull? Would it pull well from those oils and is it acidic enough that I'd end up with eatable salts? Would reusing oil that was in FASW mess up the basic concoction if a few drops get in there?

Also the tek mentions washing with acetone the cristals that are for oral use. Is it necessary or just to improve taste or make them easier to encapsulate? Because I'd rather have something a bit oily that taste of oranges than something with possible additives from Acetone (I think I found pure acetone at the store but I don't trust it like I would something sold as a food additive, as are my furamic acid and Sodium Carbonate).

As I said I'm planning to eat it mixed with food so it's fine if the result is a sticky mess and isn't super concentrated. I just don't want to waste plant material or otherwise mess up.

Also I began preparing MHRB my usual way (3h x 3 times cooked in acidic water) before deciding that no this time I don't want to drink that... Can I reduce the result, mix it with Sodium Carbonate and basically do an A/B twist on the Poor Man's Tek? I'd to it separately from doing the tek with new plant material, I just want to salvage this one.

Thank you in advance. Also I've been reading this forum for years and it's helped me a lot already.

 

[blig-blug]

This is not really what you are asking about, so disregard it if you're not interested. But the best easy and food safe Mimosa extraction I've tried is @Transform's TnT lime & vokda tek. The result is a full-spectrum liquid with no tannins and barely any flavor. Here I summarized it (there's no official write-up yet), I can go into more detail if you are interested.

 

[Celly]

This is not really what you are asking about, so disregard it if you're not interested. But the best easy and food safe Mimosa extraction I've tried is @Transform's TnT lime & vokda tek. The result is a full-spectrum liquid with no tannins and barely any flavor. Here I summarized it (there's no official write-up yet), I can go into more detail if you are interested.

Wow never heard of this option ! If my method doesn't work I might try it as well ! Unfortunately I hate the taste of alcohol, I can't even swallow a mouthful of vodka. So if that's swapping one taste for another it wouldn't help much. But if the cooking process removes that taste as well that might be another option to try later.
So if it's not vodka-flavoured I'm interested in some details yes !

 

[blig-blug]

Unfortunately I hate the taste of alcohol

Not a problem in this case: you can just boil it until all the alcohol evaporates. What remains is very potent (you need a very small amount of liquid, less than 1ml per gram of mimosa, although you can always dilute it more) and has little taste other than DMT flavor. I think it's an excellent option for oral intake, as it is full spectrum. I ended up despising the flavor of mimosa brews as well

 

[Celly]

That sounds like a pretty cool option !
I have to say my problem is not just about the tanins. I have already tried many teks to reduce them and while it makes it easier to swallow at some point my body recognize the new recipe and begins rejecting it as well... And I mean, projectile vomiting while I'm still trying to drink... So it's important to me that whatever I obtain can be completely masked in food.
7 to 12ml could easily be mixed in fruit juice. That sounds like a pretty cool option thank you !
Is it as easy as you describe? I mean calcium hydroxide precipitate by itself and can be strained away with no further wash?

 

[Celly]

I was thinking that ideally I'd still take a few ice-candies of tea to have the full spectrum with my extracted DMT, but maybe I could use your tek instead for the same purpose.

Either way I'm still interested in the veggie oil extraction because I don't trust my tastebuds. If my mouth detects that it's Jurema I will definitely be unable to swallow anything.

 

[blig-blug]

Is it as easy as you describe? I mean calcium hydroxide precipitate by itself and can be strained away with no further wash?

Yes, no need to wash it. The result is alkaline but not overly so. You can always neutralize it with an acid if that worries you, e.g. fruit juice. The main point is to add the calcium hydroxide very slowly and stir well, that way it binds to the tannins and precipitates. It starts as very dark, almost black, and becomes transparent yellow after doing the calcium hydroxide step.
The flavor doesn't remind of Mimosa at all and is very mild. I had success hiding it by mixing it with honey. Juice will work, too.

Either way I'm still interested in the veggie oil extraction

Yes, sorry for the small derailment. It's a good idea to try different options. I can't help with that one as I've never done it, hopefully someone else will help with that.

 

[Celly]

Thank you, I'll definitely try it ! More options is better !

 

[Celly]

Oh I have one question about your tek @blig-blug. Can I put the mimosa in vodka tomorrow even if I wont have the calcium hydroxide for a few days? I'm thinking it would just make for a better yield but I'd rather check with you that it wont damage it.

 

[blig-blug]

Oh I have one question about your tek @blig-blug. Can I put the mimosa in vodka tomorrow even if I wont have the calcium hydroxide for a few days? I'm thinking it would just make for a better yield but I'd rather check with you that it wont damage it.

Yes, no problem at all. A few hours are enough, but as you say it may improve the yield, and there's nothing to lose from it.

 

[Celly]

Yes, no problem at all. A few hours are enough, but as you say it may improve the yield, and there's nothing to lose from it.

Thank you !