Veggie Oils and Fumaric Acid question

[Celly]

Hello,

I've been used to drinking Jurema made in a more or less traditional way for years but the taste has grown more and more unbearable to me. The past few months I've taken to making it, reducing it a lot, freezing it in small candy molds and swallowing them whole with some dairy drink...
So I decided to get out of my comfort zone and do some extractions. I'm aiming for something that can still be taken orally. I don't mind if the result is a bit gooey or taste of oranges or something, I'll probably mix it with jam and eat it on a toast anyway.

So here is my plan and I'd like to know if it will work.

Basically I'd like to do the Poor Man's Tek with a twist

Thread 'The Poor Mans Tek - A 100% Fat Free, Food Safe, Grocery Store Solution to DMT Extraction'

Jan 21, 2010

Several members here at the nexus have been asking me for sometime now to give this method of extraction a write up. It has been criticized by some, but for a fact - this method of dmt extraction is exceedingly easy and yes, it works.

Keep in mind this is not the advanced clandestine chemists ideal method of extracting dmt, however, this method will prove invaluable to the person who finds him/herself in a position of not being able to procure solvents or chemicals that the ideal methods would call for. Also it will no doubt be a valuable tool to those who want a completely food safe...

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I'd follow the steps with Sodium Carbonate, a mix of vegetable oils that are known to work (olive and sunflower), then after the first few pulls I'd mix some Orange Essential Oil (about 90% Limonen) in the oils to keep pulling.

However using vinegar or lemon juice or the other acids proposed seem a bit messy (mostly I'm afraid of the long evaporation time in my small kitchen). Would it be possible at this point to use FASW ? Pull oil, mix it in FASW, reuse the oil but get clean FASW for each pull? Would it pull well from those oils and is it acidic enough that I'd end up with eatable salts? Would reusing oil that was in FASW mess up the basic concoction if a few drops get in there?

Also the tek mentions washing with acetone the cristals that are for oral use. Is it necessary or just to improve taste or make them easier to encapsulate? Because I'd rather have something a bit oily that taste of oranges than something with possible additives from Acetone (I think I found pure acetone at the store but I don't trust it like I would something sold as a food additive, as are my furamic acid and Sodium Carbonate).

As I said I'm planning to eat it mixed with food so it's fine if the result is a sticky mess and isn't super concentrated. I just don't want to waste plant material or otherwise mess up.

Also I began preparing MHRB my usual way (3h x 3 times cooked in acidic water) before deciding that no this time I don't want to drink that... Can I reduce the result, mix it with Sodium Carbonate and basically do an A/B twist on the Poor Man's Tek? I'd to it separately from doing the tek with new plant material, I just want to salvage this one.

Thank you in advance. Also I've been reading this forum for years and it's helped me a lot already.

 

[blig-blug]

This is not really what you are asking about, so disregard it if you're not interested. But the best easy and food safe Mimosa extraction I've tried is @Transform's TnT lime & vokda tek. The result is a full-spectrum liquid with no tannins and barely any flavor. Here I summarized it (there's no official write-up yet), I can go into more detail if you are interested.

 

[Celly]

This is not really what you are asking about, so disregard it if you're not interested. But the best easy and food safe Mimosa extraction I've tried is @Transform's TnT lime & vokda tek. The result is a full-spectrum liquid with no tannins and barely any flavor. Here I summarized it (there's no official write-up yet), I can go into more detail if you are interested.

Wow never heard of this option ! If my method doesn't work I might try it as well ! Unfortunately I hate the taste of alcohol, I can't even swallow a mouthful of vodka. So if that's swapping one taste for another it wouldn't help much. But if the cooking process removes that taste as well that might be another option to try later.
So if it's not vodka-flavoured I'm interested in some details yes !

 

[blig-blug]

Unfortunately I hate the taste of alcohol

Not a problem in this case: you can just boil it until all the alcohol evaporates. What remains is very potent (you need a very small amount of liquid, less than 1ml per gram of mimosa, although you can always dilute it more) and has little taste other than DMT flavor. I think it's an excellent option for oral intake, as it is full spectrum. I ended up despising the flavor of mimosa brews as well

 

[Celly]

That sounds like a pretty cool option !
I have to say my problem is not just about the tanins. I have already tried many teks to reduce them and while it makes it easier to swallow at some point my body recognize the new recipe and begins rejecting it as well... And I mean, projectile vomiting while I'm still trying to drink... So it's important to me that whatever I obtain can be completely masked in food.
7 to 12ml could easily be mixed in fruit juice. That sounds like a pretty cool option thank you !
Is it as easy as you describe? I mean calcium hydroxide precipitate by itself and can be strained away with no further wash?

 

[Celly]

I was thinking that ideally I'd still take a few ice-candies of tea to have the full spectrum with my extracted DMT, but maybe I could use your tek instead for the same purpose.

Either way I'm still interested in the veggie oil extraction because I don't trust my tastebuds. If my mouth detects that it's Jurema I will definitely be unable to swallow anything.

 

[blig-blug]

Is it as easy as you describe? I mean calcium hydroxide precipitate by itself and can be strained away with no further wash?

Yes, no need to wash it. The result is alkaline but not overly so. You can always neutralize it with an acid if that worries you, e.g. fruit juice. The main point is to add the calcium hydroxide very slowly and stir well, that way it binds to the tannins and precipitates. It starts as very dark, almost black, and becomes transparent yellow after doing the calcium hydroxide step.
The flavor doesn't remind of Mimosa at all and is very mild. I had success hiding it by mixing it with honey. Juice will work, too.

Either way I'm still interested in the veggie oil extraction

Yes, sorry for the small derailment. It's a good idea to try different options. I can't help with that one as I've never done it, hopefully someone else will help with that.

 

[Celly]

Thank you, I'll definitely try it ! More options is better !

 

[Celly]

Oh I have one question about your tek @blig-blug. Can I put the mimosa in vodka tomorrow even if I wont have the calcium hydroxide for a few days? I'm thinking it would just make for a better yield but I'd rather check with you that it wont damage it.

 

[blig-blug]

Oh I have one question about your tek @blig-blug. Can I put the mimosa in vodka tomorrow even if I wont have the calcium hydroxide for a few days? I'm thinking it would just make for a better yield but I'd rather check with you that it wont damage it.

Yes, no problem at all. A few hours are enough, but as you say it may improve the yield, and there's nothing to lose from it.

 

[Celly]

Yes, no problem at all. A few hours are enough, but as you say it may improve the yield, and there's nothing to lose from it.

Thank you !

 

[TransistorBass]

This is not really what you are asking about, so disregard it if you're not interested. But the best easy and food safe Mimosa extraction I've tried is @Transform's TnT lime & vokda tek. The result is a full-spectrum liquid with no tannins and barely any flavor. Here I summarized it (there's no official write-up yet), I can go into more detail if you are interested.

I might be interested in more details, should you fancy writing a few words and quantities?

 

[Celly]

I was planning to write a proper report this weekend but I'll do it now, your method worked @blig-blug !

I still want to try the other but I'll probably settle on yours because it's so very easy.
It was very powerful. Once properly filtered I got the potion down to 60ml (for 70gr mhrb and 700ml vodka. I could have gone for less, it was still completely liquid. I took 15ml of that mixed with fruit juice, meaning if everything had been extracted it would have been 17,5gr of mhrb but I expected at least some loss (and I'm used to taking 10 to 12gr). After 20 minutes Aya sent me to throw up everything I can, "for your own safety" she said. Despite not feeling any nausea (no tanins + I had taken ginger) she was pretty insistent. I threw up all the fruit juice and still had a good trip after that.

She told me how much to take next time (closer to 10ml). And she forbade me from using anti-nausea plants again so that she can decide how much I absorb more easily.
Basically I'll have to get back my footing with her with this new method but it works !

However I was very sad to discover that the horrible taste I could never get rid off seems to be... the taste of DMT. But it wasn't too strong, and with no tanins it was easily masked with juice. It only came as an after taste that I could erase by eating something. So the best way for me to take it long term will be to change the carrier juice every time so that my body can't learn to anticipate the after taste.

For @TransistorBass , the way I did it :
I left 70gr or powdered mrhb in 700ml of vodka in my fridge for a few days. Shook it here and there. Then let it 24hours outside the fridge. Then I filtered out the powder and threw it away.
The liquid looked like wine. I put it in a big (food safe) plastic jug and mixed in calcium hydroxide and it got black. I tried letting it settle and only take the liquid on top etc but I ended up getting better results by doing the opposite : I mixxed everything up before putting it in filters. It forced the potion to really go through the calcium hydroxide paste. I ended up with a near transparent liquid. (I even did it a second time after posting my photo @blig-blug ! I'll make a better report on the other thread). Then I reduced it with heat and bottled it. That's it.
Next try I'll reduce it further, try to find the perfect dose and make ice-cubes with them.

Thank you so much for this discovery ! I was already really good at filtering away tanins, it's not the first time I obtained a really clear liquid. But usually I had done the extraction with heat, and it seems it transfered a lot of the taste into the water in a way that was impossible to get rid off. It was barely more drinkable than keeping in the tanins... This method basically makes a powerful and easy cold extraction. And then an easy way to filter it. It's really great.

 

[blig-blug]

Happy to hear it worked well! No wonder the experience was powerful, usually I keep to a 5g MHRB equivalent (with 230mg harmalas) and then redose, but that's of course up to personal preference. I used to take anti-nausea plants too, and progressively abandoned them for similar reasons to yours. I didn't get that clear of a message about it, but slowly learned to purge and to not fear it, and that it's better to purge when needed than to be having strong stomach pain that you can't get rid of, for example.

However I was very sad to discover that the horrible taste I could never get rid off seems to be... the taste of DMT

Ah, no way around that, in that case. What has worked best for me has been to mix the tincture in a good amount of dense, high quality honey. I find it tends to coat the tongue and prevent you from noticing the DMT taste that much.
Changing the juice also sounds like a good idea, it may prevent associating any single flavor to it too strongly, and also may spare you from not ever being able to drink whatever juice again.

For @TransistorBass , the way I did it :
I left 70gr or powdered mrhb in 700ml of vodka in my fridge for a few days. Shook it here and there. Then let it 24hours outside the fridge. Then I filtered out the powder and threw it away.
The liquid looked like wine. I put it in a big (food safe) plastic jug and mixed in calcium hydroxide and it got black. I tried letting it settle and only take the liquid on top etc but I ended up getting better results by doing the opposite : I mixxed everything up before putting it in filters. It forced the potion to really go through the calcium hydroxide paste. I ended up with a near transparent liquid. (I even did it a second time after posting my photo @blig-blug ! I'll make a better report on the other thread). Then I reduced it with heat and bottled it. That's it.

I will try filtering it instead of decanting next time. Your result looked exactly as it should, so it clearly worked well.
@TransistorBass , I only left the MHRB in vodka for a few hours and it seemed to work well, but of course no harm in leaving it for longer. @Transform originally left it for half an hour or so (if I remember correctly) but heated up the vodka.

This method basically makes a powerful and easy cold extraction. And then an easy way to filter it. It's really great.

I agree! I'm happy it's finally getting some traction, in my opinion it's superior to a boiled mimosa brew.
By the way, this method was developed by @Transform , I'm just an advocate for it

 

[Celly]

Thank you @Transform then ! Really a great method. I'll be experimenting with it more !

 

[TransistorBass]

I guess it would be interesting to know what exactly gets extracted by the Vodka along with the obvious DMT. Is the DMT Freebase or something else after Calcium Hydroxide?

 

[blig-blug]

I guess it would be interesting to know what exactly gets extracted by the Vodka along with the obvious DMT. Is the DMT Freebase or something else after Calcium Hydroxide?

We hopefully know soon, I sent a sample to Nectar Spectra Labs They're having some problems with their GC-MS instrument, but so far NMR shows DMT, (much less) NMT, and possibly Mimosa flavonoids.