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hi all.
new to this.
i followed the chris cantaleno video on youtube.
i used 50g powdered bark and half of all his ingredients , as he used 100g bark powder.
all went well until i put the naptha onto the "aqueous solution"
i swirled the container the same way he did but the product and the naptha did not mix at all, is this likely to affect the end result and if so what could i do differently?
 
A miligram is a thousandth of a gram. If you have it set to grams (which you have, because it says "g" for gram instead of "mg" for miligram), 0.001 will be 1mg. If you want a 30mg dose, that means you want the scale to say 0.03 (g).
 
when i checked this morning it looked like this...
i had the glass upside down overnight with a book under one edge to tip the container slightly
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Did you get a drop of base soup in there? That black blob looks a bit suspicious. The trick for avoiding base contamination, by the way, is using an extra jug, optionally with a shallow layer of saturated sodium carbonate solution at the bottom, for cleaning up the naphtha pulls prior to transferring into the final precipitation container.

Did you get your scales yet? Can we start putting figures on your yield so far? [Edit: OK, I just saw that you have. And you now probably have more DMT than you know what to do with 😁 )

It's most uplifting to see how this has worked out 🤗
 
you now probably have more DMT than you know what to do with 😁 )
er hellooo...??.... i just ordered the full 100g of mhrb 😂😂😂😂😂

im quite sure even without trying it im going need to make a lifetime supply over the course of my lifetime😂😂

It's most uplifting to see how this has worked out 🤗
yes!... and i have consciously given as much info from my end as knowledge you have all given from your end.👍👍👍

i would have posted more pics if i knew it was ok, the only reason i did when i did was because i saw similar pics in other posts i was reading

regardless to the applicable legalities of such conduct i feel the knowledge must be made available and the more the better.

this post may well serve use in the future for a beginner. i got a lot of the common things wrong and its now documented with the appropriate fixes...i thank you all
 
Did you get a drop of base soup in there? That black blob looks a bit suspicious. The trick for avoiding base contamination, by the way, is using an extra jug, optionally with a shallow layer of saturated sodium carbonate solution at the bottom, for cleaning up the naphtha pulls prior to transferring into the final precipitation container.

Did you get your scales yet? Can we start putting figures on your yield so far? [Edit: OK, I just saw that you have. And you now probably have more DMT than you know what to do with 😁 )

It's most uplifting to see how this has worked out 🤗
that may be base contamination, i didnt notice it when i pulled it but it was late right before bed, the extra jug is a great idea, i will do that going forward👍
 
Good to see things going nicely! We're all awaiting the final weigh in with bated breath :)

Now you have the adventure of Routes Of Administration (ROA), or the race to get enough DMT into your brain before it gets metabolised.
Because there are many factors that can confound this goal there are many ways of mitigating them, many a time you'll see posts declaring the "one true way" followed by "Doesn't work for me!" posts. Be sure to read all through ROA threads as many are a record of evolution of a specific method or tool.

Here are some basic vaguely structured bullet points, lots of detail all around this site.
  • DMT is quickly deactivated in the body by the enzyme MAO (MonoAmineOxidase)
    • Because of this, eating it straight has no effect because MAO in your gut gets it before it's absorbed.
      • Pre consuming an MAO Inhibitor (MAOI) enables it to be orally active which can lead to hours long potent trips, Ayahuasca style.
        • This practice is often known as "pharmahuasca"
        • Common MAOIs used for this purpose are Harmine and Harmaline, found in syrian rue seeds and Ayahuasca vine.
        • Be very aware that consuming an MAOI can lead to serious medically significant interactions with other drugs, see here: Known substance-interactions and their effects - DMT-Nexus Wiki
    • Inhaling DMT vapour bypasses the gut enzymes and will lead to the famous "ten minute trips".
      • You can combine vaping with oral MAOI beforehand to prolong and change the experience.
        • This can be as simple as holding a few grams of syrian rue seeds under your tongue for a while before vaping.
      • DMT decomposes under strong heat, which is why smoking it like hash is very inefficient, most of it burns and just contributes a nasty taste.
      • Ideally a gentler heat of around 200C will vapourise the crystals without burning them.
        • The modern electric way to do this is to use an "e-mesh" which is a strip of stainless steel mesh used as the heating element in a rig normally used to vape nicotine juice. A modern vape battery (or "mod" ) will have power controls to make not overheating it easier. Here's a good lot of information on an external site: Minty Love - Emesh
        • Another electric way, which is much less failure prone, but more difficult to get breakthrough doses, is to dissolve DMT freebase in vape juice and use a normal "sub ohm" vape rig to inhale an aerosol of DMT. i.e make "DMT juice" instead of nicotine juice.
          • Down sides are:
            • You need at least 250mg freebase to make a handleable amount of juice ( 250mg in 0.5ml is just about doable, 500mg in 1ml easier to handle ).
            • Dosage is approximate at best, you don't really know how much DMT per toke you are taking in.
            • You need to make the juice quite strong to achieve breakthrough without many long puffs.
            • You might need to buy vape kit first.
          • Up sides are:
            • You can't overheat your DMT this way.
            • You can experiment with short or long puffs to vary the dosage, you might not always want to visit other dimensions.
            • you don't need to reload between puffs, so you can just keep on puffing until you're where you want to be.
            • It's very portable and outdoors friendly.
            • looks like any other nicotine vape, so pretty stealthy ( apart from the smell and your reactions to the vape! )
        • Non electric ways include various pipes, from "crack pipe" oil burners to made for the job pieces like the Glass vapour genie (GVG)
          • Upsides:
            • made for the job of vaping crystals.
            • Will deliver all of your weighed out dose quickly.
          • Downsides:
            • There can be a learning curve to getting the heat right, beginners report burning quite a lot before dialling in the technique.
            • You can end up with hot glassware in your hand just as you are entering hyperspace, thigh burns are not uncommon, I've heard.
              • This is where having someone to take the pipe out of your hand as you slump back into the chair helps a lot!
        • Then there's "Changa" which is mixing DMT with an MAOI and coating that on smokeable herbs.
          • Downsides:
            • It's pretty inefficient regarding burning DMT
            • Smoking isn't good for you
          • upsides:
            • Very party friendly, you can just pass round a changa doobie ( to people who know what they're getting!)
            • longer and smoother effects due to the MAOI
            • other herbs with synergistic effects can be incorporated in the mix
            • A bong can be a good way of getting lots of changa smoke down you at once.
            • If you weigh out the ingredients when making then you can have a good idea of how many mg of DMT are in your dose of changa.

Wow, bit of a brain dump! Hopefully no woeful inaccuracies in there. Certainly lots of missing detail... search around for the full story on each method.
 
Good to see things going nicely! We're all awaiting the final weigh in with bated breath :)

Now you have the adventure of Routes Of Administration (ROA), or the race to get enough DMT into your brain before it gets metabolised.
Because there are many factors that can confound this goal there are many ways of mitigating them, many a time you'll see posts declaring the "one true way" followed by "Doesn't work for me!" posts. Be sure to read all through ROA threads as many are a record of evolution of a specific method or tool.

Here are some basic vaguely structured bullet points, lots of detail all around this site.
  • DMT is quickly deactivated in the body by the enzyme MAO (MonoAmineOxidase)
    • Because of this, eating it straight has no effect because MAO in your gut gets it before it's absorbed.
      • Pre consuming an MAO Inhibitor (MAOI) enables it to be orally active which can lead to hours long potent trips, Ayahuasca style.
        • This practice is often known as "pharmahuasca"
        • Common MAOIs used for this purpose are Harmine and Harmaline, found in syrian rue seeds and Ayahuasca vine.
        • Be very aware that consuming an MAOI can lead to serious medically significant interactions with other drugs, see here: Known substance-interactions and their effects - DMT-Nexus Wiki
    • Inhaling DMT vapour bypasses the gut enzymes and will lead to the famous "ten minute trips".
      • You can combine vaping with oral MAOI beforehand to prolong and change the experience.
        • This can be as simple as holding a few grams of syrian rue seeds under your tongue for a while before vaping.
      • DMT decomposes under strong heat, which is why smoking it like hash is very inefficient, most of it burns and just contributes a nasty taste.
      • Ideally a gentler heat of around 200C will vapourise the crystals without burning them.
        • The modern electric way to do this is to use an "e-mesh" which is a strip of stainless steel mesh used as the heating element in a rig normally used to vape nicotine juice. A modern vape battery (or "mod" ) will have power controls to make not overheating it easier. Here's a good lot of information on an external site: Minty Love - Emesh
        • Another electric way, which is much less failure prone, but more difficult to get breakthrough doses, is to dissolve DMT freebase in vape juice and use a normal "sub ohm" vape rig to inhale an aerosol of DMT. i.e make "DMT juice" instead of nicotine juice.
          • Down sides are:
            • You need at least 250mg freebase to make a handleable amount of juice ( 250mg in 0.5ml is just about doable, 500mg in 1ml easier to handle ).
            • Dosage is approximate at best, you don't really know how much DMT per toke you are taking in.
            • You need to make the juice quite strong to achieve breakthrough without many long puffs.
            • You might need to buy vape kit first.
          • Up sides are:
            • You can't overheat your DMT this way.
            • You can experiment with short or long puffs to vary the dosage, you might not always want to visit other dimensions.
            • you don't need to reload between puffs, so you can just keep on puffing until you're where you want to be.
            • It's very portable and outdoors friendly.
            • looks like any other nicotine vape, so pretty stealthy ( apart from the smell and your reactions to the vape! )
        • Non electric ways include various pipes, from "crack pipe" oil burners to made for the job pieces like the Glass vapour genie (GVG)
          • Upsides:
            • made for the job of vaping crystals.
            • Will deliver all of your weighed out dose quickly.
          • Downsides:
            • There can be a learning curve to getting the heat right, beginners report burning quite a lot before dialling in the technique.
            • You can end up with hot glassware in your hand just as you are entering hyperspace, thigh burns are not uncommon, I've heard.
              • This is where having someone to take the pipe out of your hand as you slump back into the chair helps a lot!
        • Then there's "Changa" which is mixing DMT with an MAOI and coating that on smokeable herbs.
          • Downsides:
            • It's pretty inefficient regarding burning DMT
            • Smoking isn't good for you
          • upsides:
            • Very party friendly, you can just pass round a changa doobie ( to people who know what they're getting!)
            • longer and smoother effects due to the MAOI
            • other herbs with synergistic effects can be incorporated in the mix
            • A bong can be a good way of getting lots of changa smoke down you at once.
            • If you weigh out the ingredients when making then you can have a good idea of how many mg of DMT are in your dose of changa.

Wow, bit of a brain dump! Hopefully no woeful inaccuracies in there. Certainly lots of missing detail... search around for the full story on each method.
thankyou for so much info, it mostly runs parallel with some things pandora suggested on my introduction post last night,

in fact i have already chosen and then re-chosen my method of inhilation.
i have ordered the puffco pivot and will be flying once it arrives!!!

i initially chose the bronze VG but for various reasons ended up going with the puffco

also the maoi subject came up so i have been given a good understanding of what they do, for now im wanting only to short trip but as i become experienced i'll likely go that route (natural maoi not pharma... i take zero pills)
 
Good to hear!

So, from 50g that's well over 0.5% so far, great for a first go, and plenty of product to find out what it's all about.

Not wanting to be a buzzkill, but I'm a bit concerned that the puffco pivot seems to have a minimum temperature setting of 260C (500F) which is getting too hot in my books. But that can be mitigated by not letting it heat up fully perhaps. The user manual says to double click during the heat up phase to cancel heat. You'll have to experiment. Maybe my concerns are unfounded :)

Have fun!
 
Good to hear!

So, from 50g that's well over 0.5% so far, great for a first go, and plenty of product to find out what it's all about.

Not wanting to be a buzzkill, but I'm a bit concerned that the puffco pivot seems to have a minimum temperature setting of 260C (500F) which is getting too hot in my books. But that can be mitigated by not letting it heat up fully perhaps. The user manual says to double click during the heat up phase to cancel heat. You'll have to experiment. Maybe my concerns are unfounded :)

Have fun!
i chose the puffco mostly based on this comparison review
How We Smoked DMT – Our Experience & Recommendations
curious to hear what you think
im so thrilled with how much i made already i ordered another 100g!😂😂
 
Well it sounds like they did ok with the pivot on that post, maybe the quoted temps are optimistic, or the small amount dmt used vaporises at lower temps on the ramp up and doesn't get to touch the chamber walls much when it's fully hot. Also they don't mention what dosage was used.

This thread suggests much lower temps will be better though: What's the highest temperature freebase can withstand

Personally I've only tried e-mesh and juice, with a mod box that allows precise control of wattage ... but that's the engineer in me wanting to control as many parameters as I can :) One day I might even stick a thermocouple probe in the vapour stream to properly calibrate things.

You'll certainly have a good ride I reckon :)

The extraction bug is a strong one! Good luck with your next batch :)

If you used a turkey baster this time, then do yourself a favour and upgrade to a proper 20ml pipette, much easier to handle and it won't dribble everywhere like a baster.
 
do yourself a favour and upgrade to a proper 20ml pipette
absolutely i will, that turkey baster is not a great tool!

magnetic hotplate stirrers
as a producer of some of the finest colloidal silver i use a magnetic stirrer but not with a hotplate.

i am a tool guy so i will likely throw money at whatever "tools" i need for this😂
i certainly never imagined paying $120 for scales and $150 for a pipe but here i am😂

im one 'o those perfectionist types everyone hates😀😀
 
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the final pull has been done and dried and here are the final results you have all waited for.

remember this was using 50g mhrb and utilized the chris cantelmo method from "the youtube video"

#1. 0.287
#2. 0.111
#3. 0.048
#4. 0.050

total 0.496

IMG_7351.jpeg
 
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