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VG VaporGenie: How to use, where to get, advantages, etc

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Yeah...at first I thought the GVG was mostly hype by a bunch of aficianados, but after using it twice and hardly even perceiving the vapor on the inhale, yet getting (what for me so far) is the full effect of morphing colorful kaleidoscopic visions, I'm becoming a believer. Good thing, too, cause the GVG is an expensive toy.

So thankful the magic is back!

N.B.
 
Tricky question. Reason being, you said portable. In terms of portability, you are usually skimping on a vaporizer. In my experience, the best portable vaporizer is the Magic Flight Launch Box, which is used much like the Vapor Genie in the sense that you need to maintain the heat level yourself. I like it better because it's just as affordable with a completely clean air path (it uses batteries to heat it). I own one of these and love it as my portable vaporizer, although I wouldn't stain the taste with DMT since I use Cannabis as medication. I also have heard bad things about this vaping DMT.

For the DMT user, without hesitation, I would recommend the Essential VAAAPP by Arizer. They now have multiple product lines of this, I have only tried the original Essential VAAAPP. It also uses an outside fuel source but I emphasize greatly on the fact it does not affect the air channel. Most portable vaporizers are indeed for consumers with tight budgets, so their really is no "Silver Surfer/Volcano/Whatever" of the portable market. This vaporizer was designed with concentrates in mind, which is very nice for the avid DMT experience.

You can see a demonstration of it here: http://essentialvape.com/userguide.php

I highly recommend people to go with a desktop (home) vaporizer. They have a much better performance. This is what I had in mind when I mentioned heat control. Even though many run on dials, they have consistent temperatures. This allows you to gauge your temperature to the optimal heat, even if you don't know the exact Fahrenheit of what it is. When you are looking for a Desktop vaporizer, do not get a cheap one with a digital readout. They are nearly guaranteed to break. I personally have become a big fan of the dial control. This is because I would rather gauge my temperature blindly if it gives me the optimal hit I want. Also, many digital vaporizers are off, in fact most if not ALL. They seem to never put the heat sensors near the bowl, but instead at the heating source or other places of fancy.

If anyone cares for some desktop vaporizer suggestions just let me know. This is getting more into the expensive side of vaporizers (although if you consider $200(+/-) modest, than it's fine).
 
Wait a minute – you criticize the GVG, then acknowledge you never used it for DMT?

You first say that butane is inhaled when a butane lighter is used, then acknowledge that butane torch lighters produce just water and carbon dioxide. You first say that raising and lowering a flame is not a good way to regulate temperature, yet your recommendation for a portable DMT vaporizer regulates temperature by applying and removing the heat source. You also acknowledge that you’ve never used DMT in said vaporizer!

The portable vaporizer you mention in your post is little more than a “test tube” vaporizer or a fancy light bulb vaporizer. These types of vaporizers produce incredibly harsh vapor – they are among the worst devices for vaporizing DMT. It seems like you’ve used a variety of vaporizers with cannabis and you’re assuming that what works well for cannabis will work well for DMT. Not at all true!

I’ve read posts from members who have used both the GVG and expensive “Volcano” type vaporizers, and if I remember correctly, they stated that there was little to no difference in quality/smoothness of vapor. In fact, I’ve read on this site that electric vaporizers that collect vapor in a bag tend to produce a harsh vapor when used with DMT.

You haven’t yet convinced me that there’s a better vaporizer for the price than the GVG.
 
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Wait a minute – you criticize the GVG, then acknowledge you never used it for DMT?

You first say that butane is inhaled when a butane lighter is used, then acknowledge that butane torch lighters produce just water and carbon dioxide. You first say that raising and lowering a flame is not a good way to regulate temperature, yet your recommendation for a portable DMT vaporizer regulates temperature by applying and removing the heat source. You also acknowledge that you’ve never used DMT in said vaporizer!

The portable vaporizer you mention in your post is little more than a “test tube” vaporizer or a fancy light bulb vaporizer. These types of vaporizers produce incredibly harsh vapor – they are among the worst devices for vaporizing DMT. It seems like you’ve used a variety of vaporizers with cannabis and you’re assuming that what works well for cannabis will work well for DMT. Not at all true!

I’ve read posts from members who have used both the GVG and expensive “Volcano” type vaporizers, and if I remember correctly, they stated that there was little to no difference in quality/smoothness of vapor. In fact, I’ve read on this site that electric vaporizers that collect vapor in a bag tend to produce a harsh vapor when used with DMT.

You haven’t yet convinced me that there’s a better vaporizer for the price than the GVG.
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Perhaps my judgment isn't what I thought it was seeing I haven't used it for DMT. But I don't see why that would matter tbh. A vaporizer is a vaporizer, from one substance to the next.

First off, I completely dislike all of those torch/flame vaporizers in relation to an electric desktop vaporizer. My response was per request of a better portable vaporizer. I was trying to show that their are better or equal ones available for similar value, but if you read my post completely you would acknowledge that I truly recommend an electric desktop vaporizer. You may consider that a glorified light bulb vaporizer, and granted you can jury-rig something more cost-effective, but I still recommend it over a VG. The air path is cleaner and I have hit one that was much smoother than a VG.

What is your reasoning for it being harsher in relation the VG? I don't understand this logic. You are using your experience with a Light Bulb vaporizer assuming that these are equivalent, this is not the case.

And please note, I did not even hint towards using bag vaporizers for DMT. Bag vaporizers such as the Volcano you mentioned, allow the vapor to become stale and harsh. I would recommend something more along the lines of a whip vaporizer (SSV, Da Buddha). They produce incredibly smooth and big hits (far bigger than anything produced with the VG). I have used my Silver Surfer vaporizer (SSV) for DMT and it was the smoothest and biggest hit, plus the most efficient method I've used so far.
 
Different substances behave differently when vaporized using different methods, so it’s not always true that “a vaporizer is a vaporizer”.

When DMT becomes a liquid, it becomes very dynamic – it moves along temperature gradients from warm areas to cool areas. If you put DMT in a test tube or a glass vial and heat the tube, the DMT will crawl up the sides of the tube away from the heat. If you move the heat source to a cooler area, the DMT will simply move to whatever area is cooler. (DMT is smart!) What ends up happening is that some areas get over-heated, other areas are under-heated, and the DMT, due to pyrolysis, ends up getting “toasted” or burnt, with very little actually getting properly vaporized.

All of the best methods of vaporizing DMT involve passing hot air over/through a medium that can be rapidly and uniformly heated to vaporization temperature (metal mesh, liquid pad, etc.) Because the entire medium holding the DMT is heated to vaporization temperature, the DMT has nowhere to go and thus is rapidly vaporized.

With proper technique, a full dose of DMT can be vaporized in a single inhalation using the GVG, so a whip-type vaporizer is not superior in that regard. Also, DMT vapors must travel a longer path when using a whip-type vaporizer, giving more opportunity for vapor to condense.

To give you an idea of how smooth the vapor out of a GVG is: The first time I used it, I had loaded about 15mg as a test and applied very gentle heat. I inhaled and inhaled, and thought I was doing something wrong, because it felt like I was just inhaling warm air. No taste, no smell, no nothing except slightly warm air. So I put the GVG down, thinking my technique was off, when all of a sudden I began feeling some very familiar sensations. Next thing I know, I’m having a fairly strong sub-breakthrough experience!

I’m sure a Silver Surfer is great, but the GVG can’t be beat for price, simplicity and elegance of design, and effectiveness.
 
That makes a lot more sense, I didn't realize how DMT behaved when heated as a liquid. I'm so curious, actually, that I might order a GVG to experiment with. 😉
 
jbark said:
Mister_Niles said:
So, I got my genie and I can't figure out how to use it. Mine also seems to look different than pictures I've seen posted here. Here's what I got:


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I'm very confused.
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I have one of those. Plug it in, stick your nose in the hole at the top and press the button. Inhale and say over and over "I want this. Everything is going to be OK. I AM LOVE".

I vape DMT, siphon diaper goo and grind my coffee with it. I am waiting for the attachment I ordered so that I can hook it up and use it as an emergency sump pump in the event of flash basement flooding.

People here are always complaining about its price, but i think they must just be unaware of its versatility.

In the summers, I read in a review online, you can use it as a grass seed dispenser.

Viva la Playtex GVG!!

JBArk the foul fool & fowel fuel & fellow fell & fallow fille-you'll
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JBark, you made me laugh and want to hang out with you. I just didn't know how to reply. I thought maybe the zobie of Wm. Burroughs mated with Marcell Duchamps ghost, watched Tim and Eric Awesome Show while reading Gravitys Rainbow backwards and then made that post. I'm glad someone appreciated my silliness.

In other news! I got my GVG in the mail yesterday. Still waiting for my liquid pads. No stores around here have copper pads. I'm excited, but I can wait.

Another thing: I went to buy some Bestine. Wanted to buy a quart or two. The salesperson said: "Oh, We have this gallon on sale. It's the last one." Got a gallon for the price of a quart. Awesome.
 
Just tested my GVG for the first time, and I must say, IT WAS WORTH EVERY PENNY. Yeah. Wow.
I used the patented Gibran2 copper disc method, since my liquid pads are taking forever to get here. It worked extremely well. No traces of spice visible, no drips. No coper poisoning :evil: Awesome. Thanks Gibran2.



Ahhh..... basking in the afterglow.


Why buy a GVG when you can use a crack pipe or a meth bulb or even a machine? So many people on here ask that question. I'll tell you why. Because aside from working very well (I just had about 20 minutes of sub breakthrough bliss from 23 mg, and if I'd taken it all at once I'm sure I would have broken through) it is a truly BEAUTIFUL thing to behold when you are coming down. I got this huge LOVE message at the end of this trip, and I opened my eyes and saw the GVG in my hand and it was at an angle so it looked like the letter L. I turned it and saw the letter O in that ring part. Turned it another way and the bend made a V. Held it by the mouthpiece, and it made an E (with my finger as part of the equation). So... yeah. The GVG is love. That's another reason to buy one:oops: So hippy dippy, I know, but I'm still tripping a little bit, so cut me some slack.

Just imagine what I'll get when I get my technique down.

Apart from the love thing, it just looks cool. So pretty. So well made. Buy one now. Operators are standing by.
 
Mister_Niles said:
Just tested my GVG for the first time, and I must say, IT WAS WORTH EVERY PENNY. Yeah. Wow.
I used the patented Gibran2 copper disc method, since my liquid pads are taking forever to get here. It worked extremely well. No traces of spice visible, no drips. No coper poisoning :evil: Awesome. Thanks Gibran2.



Ahhh..... basking in the afterglow.
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Welcome to the cult of the GVG. :lol:
 
Cosmic Rift said:
That makes a lot more sense, I didn't realize how DMT behaved when heated as a liquid. I'm so curious, actually, that I might order a GVG to experiment with. 😉
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You seriously shouldn't criticize something without trying it out first. Especially when a lot of people with the experience say it works.
I mean how can you expect people to take you seriously?
 
I've seen that lighter, that and 'Volcan fire' seem to be the cheapest torch lighters out there that look half reliable. Think I may go for an ARC lighter though as my current torch lighter keeps failing.

Out of interest do those who've used both VG and GVG notice any big difference in how close you hold the (torch) lighter to the VG/GVG? as I've had issues with overheating the VG but I don't see that anyone's had that issue with GVG.
 
Attention All Shipping said:
I've seen that lighter, that and 'Volcan fire' seem to be the cheapest torch lighters out there that look half reliable. Think I may go for an ARC lighter though as my current torch lighter keeps failing.

Out of interest do those who've used both VG and GVG notice any big difference in how close you hold the (torch) lighter to the VG/GVG? as I've had issues with overheating the VG but I don't see that anyone's had that issue with GVG.
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Well the GVG is all transparent so you see very well if you're overheating it. I always heat it until the ceramic starts to glow and then I pull the lighter a little away. So it's on the limit of glowing.
Then you just need to learn how fast you pull air through it
 
Dude.. Youre doing it wrong. I have burnt spice with my gvg but only the first couple of times using it. I use a big vector creme brule style torch with a huge jet flame and it works amazingly well. I hardly taste anything and it allows me to hold it in for 20 seconds. No vapor comes out when I exhale.

Buy a liquid volcano pad if you havent already and try try try and then try again.
 
make a 1:1 changa and get a nice glass bong with a good chamber..best method I have ever used..never used gvg but I have vaped and it was not as effective at all.
 
elru said:
After dozens of failed attempts with smoking I saved up and bought a GVG. It's not that great, and not worth $100.

I've smoked from it 5 or 6 times now and no breakthrough... mostly just a lot of burnt spice.

If I hold the lighter too high it just melts the spice into the screens and takes forever to inhale the whole dose from the tiny amounts that vaporize every now and then. If I hold the lighter close enough to actually get it to "vaporize", it burns and tastes like I'm smoking cancer. This is the same exact thing that has happened with every other pipe/bong/whatever I've used, and those were not nearly so difficult to afford on a student budget.

I'm disappointed and frustrated. The GVG looks pretty but it doesn't work much better than a $1.29 glass tube I bought at the hardware shop and stuck a bit of a scrubby pad into.

:(
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Are you using it with the top piece in place? If not, then you’re just smoking out of an expensive pipe.

In my experience, it is not possible to burn spice with a normal butane lighter, the GVG, and a thin disc of copper mesh holding the DMT. I usually keep the flame close to the ceramic diffuser the entire time I’m inhaling, and I’ve never burned it. It just isn’t possible.

If you’re burning your spice with a GVG, you’re obviously not using it right.
 
fractal enchantment said:
make a 1:1 changa and get a nice glass bong with a good chamber..best method I have ever used..never used gvg but I have vaped and it was not as effective at all.
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I’ve said this many times before, but here’s as good a place as any to say it again:

A properly administered dose of DMT in a GVG will fully vaporize in a second or two. Consuming DMT in this fashion produces a qualitatively different kind of experience.

Changa delays the absorption of DMT by diluting it with smoke, and as a result produces a milder come-up and (milligram for milligram) a “gentler” experience. (Of course, that’s not to say that changa experiences aren’t intense!)
 
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