VG VaporGenie: How to use, where to get, advantages, etc

[gibran2]

Is ceramic cleaner than the metal pads?

I’m not sure what you’re asking. The ceramic diffuser is located in the removable top glass piece. Metal mesh, liquid pads, etc. are used in the bottom of the bowl to hold liquid. Flame passes through the ceramic first, mixes with air in the chamber, then passes through the liquid pad (if present).

Are you asking if ceramic is generally cleaner than metal? The answer to that is yes. The ceramic diffuser is actually a disc of silicon carbide foam. It has a very high vaporization temperature – much higher than typical metals, and does not oxidize, so there is no risk of any fumes.

 

[Not Sure]

Is ceramic cleaner than the metal pads?

I’m not sure what you’re asking. The ceramic diffuser is located in the removable top glass piece. Metal mesh, liquid pads, etc. are used in the bottom of the bowl to hold liquid. Flame passes through the ceramic first, mixes with air in the chamber, then passes through the liquid pad (if present).

Are you asking if ceramic is generally cleaner than metal? The answer to that is yes. The ceramic diffuser is actually a disc of silicon carbide foam. It has a very high vaporization temperature – much higher than typical metals, and does not oxidize, so there is no risk of any fumes.

Cool, thanks. I thought that was the case but I figured I'd ask.

 

[Mitakuye Oyasin]

Definitely a single torch. Anything more than that and you run the risk of cracking the glass top piece which contains the ceramic element.

Thanks Melodic Catastrophe, that makes sense. Looks like I need to buy a few new torch lighters, all of mine are two or three torches, no singles. SWIM is becoming more and more sold on the GVG. Looks great for spice, looks good for cannabis flowers and looks very interesting for vaping honey oil. Does anyone's friend or cousin have any experience using the GVG for vaping honey oil (BHO) or cannabis concentrates?

 

[Swarupa]

My ceramic filter wobbles, it's fine.

It sounds like we may be taking out our DMT anxiety on our tools

 

[SlippyJ]

As for the runoff, I'm not sure why that happened. I use a tiny piece of scrubby made to the specs that you, Gibran2 suggested and showed earlier in the thread. This had not happened before last night.

Thanks for the info on the ring and filter, but Chronic is most likely correct about taking out my anxieties on the tools, since I went all McGyver on it before I thought to look into the matter. I have a message in with vaporginie to try and get a replacement filter.

FYI, the filter is cone shaped (the small end faces down)

And like you say Gibran2, it is a bit fragile. I didn't really destroy it, yet I did damage it enough that I'd just feel better with a new one.

Lesson learned. Don't make issues where there are none.

 

[Swarupa]

I was only joking really & not referring only to you, lots of people (myself included) seem to obsess over little things that revolve around DMT, it's as if the anxiety of actually smoking DMT bleeds over. Although it's wise to try and perfect the ROA for such a powerful substance.

 

[napp]

does the metal screen that comes with the GVG need to be used in conjunction when using a copper scrub or should the screen be removed? Also, is there any risk of poisoning from inhaling any copper byproduct fume?

Napp

 

[gibran2]

does the metal screen that comes with the GVG need to be used in conjunction when using a copper scrub or should the screen be removed? Also, is there any risk of poisoning from inhaling any copper byproduct fume?

Napp

No need to remove screen and no harmful fumes at GVG vaporization temperature.

 

[higuys]

With the GVG and good torch lighter will it all be gone in 1 hit?

Edit: Should I just put 50mg in and try get it all in 1 hit or what? Bit confused on the best way to do it.

Edit again: If you want to smoke it in more than 1 hit how do you go about that? Have never used a vape/pipe before.

Thanks.

 

[endlessness]

well it all depends on how you inhale it.. You can spread it out if you want of course, just dont inhale so much at a time

50mg in the vaporgenie will be too much though, I suggest you start with 20mg or 30 max and see how that goes for you

Good luck!

 

[higuys]

Thanks for the reply, I've been reading up some on here and think I'm going to go with 25mg and try get it in 1 go as that seems the easiest way.

 

[fender1212]

The manufacture specifically states that torch lighters should not be used with the glass vapor genie, and that they've had cases where the ceramic heating element has broken due to the drastic change in heat. Has anyone here experienced issues with their ceramic piece breaking from using a torch lighter?

 

[endlessness]

I think people experiencing problems with that have either:

a) torch lighter on way too high setting + living in antarctica during winter + putting the torch lighter immediately full-force on the pipe

(in that case, just start with the fire a bit farther away and bring it closer gradually for the first hit? Personally Ive had the GVG for around a year, using with a torch lighter since then and never had any problem at all!)

b) They broke the glass and not the ceramic piece, maybe pointing the torch lighter straight at the glass

(personally I find it very easy to point the torch lighter at the ceramic and not at the glass. You even get the ceramic to glow red as an indication of where you fire is pointed to. Again, never had problems)

Maybe someone who did have problems can state why? I think the vaporgenie people are just trying to warn others of possible problems so that they arent blamed for not stating it, but I think you can do it without any problem if you're just a tiny bit reasonable and careful

 

[Kookaburra]

I think the vaporgenie people are just trying to warn others of possible problems so that they arent blamed for not stating it

I agree, I think it's more of a liability issue. My friend has never had problems with a torch lighter + GVG combo.

 

[Not Sure]

The ceramic discs can withstand very high temperatures because they are originally used to filter liquid metal. (I think, I will have to double check)

 

[gibran2]

The manufacture specifically states that torch lighters should not be used with the glass vapor genie, and that they've had cases where the ceramic heating element has broken due to the drastic change in heat. Has anyone here experienced issues with their ceramic piece breaking from using a torch lighter?

I couldn’t find anywhere on the VaporGenie site a mention of the ceramic filter being susceptible to heat. The ceramic filter is made of silicon carbide foam, which is very resistant to thermal shock. The site does caution against using torch lighters because of the possibility of the glass top piece cracking:

Do NOT use a torch lighter with the glass VG because torch lighters tend to cause the tops to crack.

I once used my GVG with a “hobby” torch, which has a bigger, hotter flame than a regular torch lighter. It caused a small hairline crack in the top piece.

When using a regular single-flame torch lighter pointed directly at the ceramic filter, it is unlikely that the glass will crack. However, I’ve noticed that VaporGenie no longer warranties GVGs against breakage, so if your top piece is rendered unusable, you’ll have to buy a new one. They now sell the top piece separately (without filter) for $23.00.

 

[Not Sure]

Here is some info on the ceramic filters and the various types. The GVG ceramic disc is thinner than the products usually made from that material and that is probably why it will crack.

Product Description

Compared with traditional filtering materials, (company name) CERAMIC FOAM FILTER have obvious advantages: 1) Thermal and chemical stability in high temperature, avoiding the chemical reaction with the filtered molten metal. 2) High porosity and good mechanical strength in elevate temperature due to its pure ceramic composite. 3) Full open cell without loosing ceramic particles or powders (snowing) during filtrating. 4) Low head loss, easy operation, energy save. 5) Make metal flow reposeful and avoid the sputtering and backset, this increase the surface quality of the cast, prevent the pore disfigurement and finally lower down the waster rate. 6) Various sizes, shapes, apertures are available for kinds of foundry technique.
(company name) CERAMIC FOAM FILTER are characterized as high permeation rate, good strength and thermal shock resistance, stable quality and without loosing impurity in high temperature either in big size or small PPI products. Four types of ceramic foam filters are available. G200 is alumina based ceramic foam filters, which can be used up to a limit of 1100C and most suitable for the filtration of molten aluminum and its alloys, and part of molten copper and its alloy. G400 is silicon carbide based filter, which can withstand temperatures up to 1540C and be used in the filtration of casting iron, copper and its alloys. G500 is zirconia- toughed- alumina ceramic foam filter that can withstand temperatures up to 1650C and be used in the filtration of carbon steel and its alloys. G600 is partial stabilized zirconia filter which can withstanding temperatures up to 1750C and is suitable for filtration of steel, stainless steel and super alloys. Besides, Ceramic Foam Filter can be applied for the metallurgy, smoke treatment in high temperature, catalyzer carrier, special packing, special art lamps and lanterns and filtration for aquatic animals.

 

[gibran2]

Here is some info on the ceramic filters and the various types. The GVG ceramic disc is thinner than the products usually made from that material and that is probably why it will crack.

Let’s nip this misinformation in the bud. To my knowledge, nowhere on the VaporGenie website are users cautioned not to use torch lighters in order to avoid cracking of the ceramic filter. The site specifically recommends against using a torch lighter with the glass vapor genie because of possible damage to the glass. (Keep in mind that the ceramic filters in classic vapor genies are identical to those in GVGs, yet no such caution against using torch lighters is given for classic VGs.)

I have never read a post here or elsewhere mentioning the cracking of the ceramic filter as a result of heat shock. These ceramic filters are used industrially under rather extreme circumstances and are very resistant to heat shock.

Until “fender1212” points us to the specific text stating that the ceramic filter may crack if subjected to heat from a torch lighter, I am going to assume that his statement is in error.

 

[Not Sure]

Here is some info on the ceramic filters and the various types. The GVG ceramic disc is thinner than the products usually made from that material and that is probably why it will crack.

Let’s nip this misinformation in the bud. To my knowledge, nowhere on the VaporGenie website are users cautioned not to use torch lighters in order to avoid cracking of the ceramic filter. The site specifically recommends against using a torch lighter with the glass vapor genie because of possible damage to the glass. (Keep in mind that the ceramic filters in classic vapor genies are identical to those in GVGs, yet no such caution against using torch lighters is given for classic VGs.)

I have never read a post here or elsewhere mentioning the cracking of the ceramic filter as a result of heat shock. These ceramic filters are used industrially under rather extreme circumstances and are very resistant to heat shock.

Until “fender1212” points us to the specific text stating that the ceramic filter may crack if subjected to heat from a torch lighter, I am going to assume that his statement is in error.

Bro, calm down I wasnt trying to say they are not a good product ( I am modeling my design after theirs). I posted information telling about their strength and heat resistance. ( I can find pics of a cracked disc if you would like )

I meant that if the GVG disc breaks its because its 6mm think and that is why it may not withstand the heat that the ceramic material is made to handle. Thant is all.

 

[gibran2]

Bro, calm down I wasnt trying to say they are not a good product ( I am modeling my design after theirs). I posted information telling about their strength and heat resistance. ( I can find pics of a cracked disc if you would like )

I meant that if the GVG disc breaks its because its 6mm think and that is why it may not withstand the heat that the ceramic material is made to handle. Thant is all.

I’m not really too excited about this – it’s just that I don’t want an unsubstantiated rumor started. You didn’t make the claim, and my comments weren’t directed toward you. As far as I know, the silicon carbide filter in the GVG (and the other VGs) is not susceptible to cracking due to thermal shock from a torch lighter. I don’t think that the thickness has anything to do with it.

The glass top piece can crack – as I’ve already posted, mine has a small crack.

“fender1212” made an unsubstantiated claim that could lead to needless concern among GVG owners and potential buyers.