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ildruido said:
So I know that 15mg is threshold quantity but I'm not sure my technique is correct anyway I don't feel confident and concerned about waste my precious material, what do you think any advice?
many thanks :)
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It sounds like you did everything alright. Did you get thick white smoke? Considering the second hit didn't produce any vapor, I assume so. I would try to up the dose, the GVG can be a little "on/off". The first time I tried with 10mg and got no effects at all. Then I waited half an hour and tried 30mg and it was off to candyland.
 
ildruido said:
Hello everyone,
it's my first post after months of lurking and learning :)
I got the gvg after several failures with the mighty+bubbler and dab rig.
I put 15mg on the liquid pad and tried to suck up while my torch was heating the spice but ended up with nothing other than a mild relaxation. I don't think I get the proper technique and I have some questions: 1) if I put my torch vertically toward the ceramic filter it turns off after 1 sec, so I must tip the fire a 45deg is that correct? (I use a pb-207 that someone shared in this forum and said it was perfect for the job); 2) distance from the filter, less than 2 cm, I almost could see the light enter in the filter; 3) I start inhaling a bit while heating for 4-5 secs then the vapour came. I was able to inhale all the vapor and then tried to heat again but only a little vapor came out.
So I know that 15mg is threshold quantity but I'm not sure my technique is correct anyway I don't feel confident and concerned about waste my precious material, what do you think any advice?
many thanks :)
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One thing I just learned is to suck slow for the first two seconds and then I hale harder for the rest of the hit. Allows you to get more through priming first.

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Hello everyone. I am a bit of a newbie when it comes to all the information here and I have a few questions.


When everyone is referring to spice, I am assuming this means crystal only?

And doses of between 10 - 50mg. Is this 0.1 - 0.5 of a point?
Because that amount of dose seems very small to me. But maybe I am doing it wrong.

Cheers
 
Potato potato said:
Hello everyone. I am a bit of a newbie when it comes to all the information here and I have a few questions.


When everyone is referring to spice, I am assuming this means crystal only?

And doses of between 10 - 50mg. Is this 0.1 - 0.5 of a point?
Because that amount of dose seems very small to me. But maybe I am doing it wrong.

Cheers
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Yup, spice refers to freebase DMT often times.

On a gram scale, 0.1 will be 100mg and 0.5 would be 500mg. When vaporized appropriately, 50mg is usually more than enough for most people. That said, 100mg to 500mg is going to be quite a ride, and one may not remember it.

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Voidmatrix said:
On a gram scale, 0.1 will be 100mg and 0.5 would be 500mg. When vaporized appropriately, 50mg is usually more than enough for most people. That said, 100mg to 500mg is going to be quite a ride, and one may not remember it.

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Thanks for the reply.

I tried 100mg to test out the GVG for the first time and it was a reasonably mild experience.

I have read through all of the information in this thread and I am ready to give it another go. Hopefully it returns better results next time.

Cheers
 
Potato potato said:
Voidmatrix said:
On a gram scale, 0.1 will be 100mg and 0.5 would be 500mg. When vaporized appropriately, 50mg is usually more than enough for most people. That said, 100mg to 500mg is going to be quite a ride, and one may not remember it.

One love
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Thanks for the reply.

I tried 100mg to test out the GVG for the first time and it was a reasonably mild experience.

I have read through all of the information in this thread and I am ready to give it another go. Hopefully it returns better results next time.

Cheers
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How many screens do you have in it? Did it all vaporize, or could you see melted residue? Do you have a resistance to other tryptamines (does is take higher doses to get you to where you want to be)?

Good luck

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Potato potato said:
Voidmatrix said:
On a gram scale, 0.1 will be 100mg and 0.5 would be 500mg. When vaporized appropriately, 50mg is usually more than enough for most people. That said, 100mg to 500mg is going to be quite a ride, and one may not remember it.

One love
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Thanks for the reply.

I tried 100mg to test out the GVG for the first time and it was a reasonably mild experience.

I have read through all of the information in this thread and I am ready to give it another go. Hopefully it returns better results next time.

Cheers
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I just wanted to echo Voidmatrix and mention that most folks would consider 50mg to be a very large dose. Barring an unusual metabolism or a pharmaceutical regimen that reduces felt affects, 20mg to 30mg properly vaped, is enough for most to break through. Please be cautious. If this is simply a matter of poor technique, then getting everything right with 100mg could be extremely challenging.
 
Potato potato said:
And doses of between 10 - 50mg. Is this 0.1 - 0.5 of a point?
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If a point equals 100mg, then yes. But "a point" is no kind of official measurement that I ever heard of. I will echo the concerns of the previous two and suggest that you don't add any more DMT to the pipe before trying it again. If you got a 'reasonably mild' (compared to what, incidentally?) experience from 100mg, there's a significant possibility that a large portion of the material has stayed in the pipe and could give you a surprise if you piled even another small dose on top of it and then nailed the vaporisation technique.

And a question: how long did you hold the vapours in for - was there a cloud when you exhaled?
 
downwardsfromzero said:
If a point equals 100mg, then yes. But "a point" is no kind of official measurement that I ever heard of. I will echo the concerns of the previous two and suggest that you don't add any more DMT to the pipe before trying it again. If you got a 'reasonably mild' (compared to what, incidentally?) experience from 100mg, there's a significant possibility that a large portion of the material has stayed in the pipe and could give you a surprise if you piled even another small dose on top of it and then nailed the vaporisation technique.

And a question: how long did you hold the vapours in for - was there a cloud when you exhaled?
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A point is equal to 1/10 of a gram. So yes, it is 100mg.

The whole process was very experimental. I placed the crystal on top of some chamomile to get it closer to the filter and I think that is where I went wrong.
I didn't get as much smoke out of the pipe as I would have liked and I was afraid to burn the crystal from too much heat.
I normally don't smoke anything, so I was originally unsure of how to maximise the results from the GVG and the chamomile just made everything.

But after reading the info in this thread, I think I have a pretty good idea of how to proceed. I'll skip using any herb and just set up the GVG to work with extra screens.

I was originally confused by the 100mg vs 20 - 50mg amounts for a breakthrough because I used to eyeball the amounts when I smoked crystal back in the day and I think those doses would have been around 100mg.
Definitely break through amounts.
 
Potato potato said:
I was originally confused by the 100mg vs 20 - 50mg amounts for a breakthrough because I used to eyeball the amounts when I smoked crystal back in the day and I think those doses would have been around 100mg.
Definitely break through amounts.
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I suspect that a)you have a resistance to DMT b)the 100mg doses back in the day may have been burned and not all of it inhaled in an active vapor (what was your smoalking method?) or c)you were just going for gold and it was 100mg :D

I've done over 100mg a few times in the past, and they were all complete and total breaks with what we call "reality." One time I just can't remember.

Best of luck to you.

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Voidmatrix said:
I suspect that a)you have a resistance to DMT b)the 100mg doses back in the day may have been burned and not all of it inhaled in an active vapor (what was your smoalking method?) or c)you were just going for gold and it was 100mg :D

I've done over 100mg a few times in the past, and they were all complete and total breaks with what we call "reality." One time I just can't remember.

Best of luck to you.

One love
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It was being smoked using a bong with a blue lotus mix used as the base herb.
The crystal would be melted first and then the bong would be smoked normally.

Generally, I and my friends became non functional after pulling a cone and mentally counting to three.

What is the process for smoking herbs in a GVG?
Is the herb meant to be turned to ash by the end of the smoking process or does it become semi charred?

Not sure how indirect heat from the ceramic filter works on herb if I want to use it for changa.
 
Potato potato said:
Voidmatrix said:
I suspect that a)you have a resistance to DMT b)the 100mg doses back in the day may have been burned and not all of it inhaled in an active vapor (what was your smoalking method?) or c)you were just going for gold and it was 100mg :D

I've done over 100mg a few times in the past, and they were all complete and total breaks with what we call "reality." One time I just can't remember.

Best of luck to you.

One love
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It was being smoked using a bong with a blue lotus mix used as the base herb.
The crystal would be melted first and then the bong would be smoked normally.

Generally, I and my friends became non functional after pulling a cone and mentally counting to three.

What is the process for smoking herbs in a GVG?
Is the herb meant to be turned to ash by the end of the smoking process or does it become semi charred?

Not sure how indirect heat from the ceramic filter works on herb if I want to use it for changa.
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First, use a torch lighter. Hold it a few inches above the top of the rim of the bowl. Fire the torch and begin inhaling, steadily. You'll see vapor fill the chamber and glass piping as it begins to vaporize. Release the flame, clear the piece, hold on tight, and enjoy the ride.

I tend to take my changa out once it's charred (but not ash). I plan to roll the remnants into a joint with some cannabis.

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Great thread! Recently ordered the GVG. Quick question: how many steel/liquid pads does everyone use?

I tried one, but find that 2 seems to be better. 3 may even work well. I find the additional pad brings the spice closer to the heat source, making it easier to vaporize.

I'm a complete newbie, however, so please let me know if I'm missing something.

Thanks again!
 
I've never thought of using more then one. But I have a Bat GVG and not the regular one. Don't know is/how that differs. I use this pads. I se a bit of residue on the pads even if I heat then until I don't see any vapor any more. And it's also condensate on the walls. So now I pre-heat the whole pipe until quite warm. I seems to help not not completely.
But I then can rinse it with ethanol and use that for making enhanced leaf or changa. So no waste.
 
Thanks for the feedback everyone.

Another question: new to spice and the GVG. when I was first figuring out how to use it properly, I ended up melting ~100mg of spice onto the steel pads due to not getting my technique down (I'm guessing that's where it went as it didn't drip into the neck of the pipe)

I am very new to spice and worried that now that I got my lighting technique down, I'll accidentally take a massive dose.

I've tried it and managed to cut myself off before inhaling too much, providing a mild experience, but I fear I'll have trouble controlling the dosage in the future as I have trouble seeing the vapor (am I even supposed to see it?) or even noticing when I've inhaled it.

Just be careful while using the GVG or should I try to extract the spice off the pads to be safe?

not sure how easy it is control your dosage when you have a large quantity melted on the pad.
 
AFOAF said:
Thanks for the feedback everyone.

Another question: new to spice and the GVG. when I was first figuring out how to use it properly, I ended up melting ~100mg on spice onto the steel pads (I'm guessing that's where it went as it didn't drip into the neck of the pipe)

I am very new to spice and worried that now that I got my lighting technique down, I'll accidentally take a massive dose.

I've tried it and managed to cut myself off before inhaling too much, providing a mild experience, but I fear I'll have trouble controlling the dosage in the future as I have trouble seeing the vapor (am I even supposed to see it?) or even noticing when I've inhaled it.

Just be careful while using the GVG or should I try to extract the spice off the pads to be safe?

not sure how easy it is control your dosage when you have a large quantity melted on the pad.
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Yeah, if you get the whole dose in one shot you'll be in for a wild one.

Try counting. Heat the pad while steadily inhaling for 2 seconds. See where you're at. Then try three. See where you're at. And so on.

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Voidmatrix said:
AFOAF said:
Thanks for the feedback everyone.

Another question: new to spice and the GVG. when I was first figuring out how to use it properly, I ended up melting ~100mg on spice onto the steel pads (I'm guessing that's where it went as it didn't drip into the neck of the pipe)

I am very new to spice and worried that now that I got my lighting technique down, I'll accidentally take a massive dose.

I've tried it and managed to cut myself off before inhaling too much, providing a mild experience, but I fear I'll have trouble controlling the dosage in the future as I have trouble seeing the vapor (am I even supposed to see it?) or even noticing when I've inhaled it.

Just be careful while using the GVG or should I try to extract the spice off the pads to be safe?

not sure how easy it is control your dosage when you have a large quantity melted on the pad.
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Yeah, if you get the whole dose in one shot you'll be in for a wild one.

Try counting. Heat the pad while steadily inhaling for 2 seconds. See where you're at. Then try three. See where you're at. And so on.

One love
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I'll try this, thank you.
 
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