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Video with DMT researcher Andrew Gallimore

So I watched the entire video yesterday and I enjoyed the conversation, I found it very fascinating.

One thing that Andrew Gallimore brought up was sending experts into hyperspace. He was talking about his mathematician friend understanding the impossibility of the imagery and geometry that DMT shows us, often put on display by a machine elf or jester. The amount of intelligence needed to perform these highly complex displays is just mind boggling. It is plain to see for anyone that much of what we see on DMT seems impossible. Experts like mathematicians and physicists can break down WHY what they are seeing seems impossible. Extended state DMT experiences could allow these experts much more time in hyperspace in an attempt to bring back more information.

I think it is perfectly reasonable to assume that someone with a very high IQ working on the particle colliders would bring back more from the DMT experience than some goofball blue collar stoner like me.

Maybe these people are already doing DMT and that is why they are such great experts? I am quite sure that psychedelics has inspired many ideas that we see in the world today. Perhaps one day one of these expert psychonauts could work out how to make something we once thought impossible, possible, simply from doing DMT.
 
So I watched the entire video yesterday and I enjoyed the conversation, I found it very fascinating.

One thing that Andrew Gallimore brought up was sending experts into hyperspace. He was talking about his mathematician friend understanding the impossibility of the imagery and geometry that DMT shows us, often put on display by a machine elf or jester. The amount of intelligence needed to perform these highly complex displays is just mind boggling. It is plain to see for anyone that much of what we see on DMT seems impossible. Experts like mathematicians and physicists can break down WHY what they are seeing seems impossible. Extended state DMT experiences could allow these experts much more time in hyperspace in an attempt to bring back more information.

I think it is perfectly reasonable to assume that someone with a very high IQ working on the particle colliders would bring back more from the DMT experience than some goofball blue collar stoner like me.

Maybe these people are already doing DMT and that is why they are such great experts? I am quite sure that psychedelics has inspired many ideas that we see in the world today. Perhaps one day one of these expert psychonauts could work out how to make something we once thought impossible, possible, simply from doing DMT.
I'm very interested to see DMTx applied to hard science types. What effects the extended stable Dmt concentration in the brain may have on neuroplasticity in the hours and days following a deep dive. What accelerated creative breakthroughs and insights might be possible.
 
I think it is perfectly reasonable to assume that someone with a very high IQ working on the particle colliders would bring back more from the DMT experience than some goofball blue collar stoner like me.
I don't think IQ is the main factor here, and an experimental physicist could bring back something interesting, but also could bring back a personal crisis when so many things he assumed have been so forcefully challenged in an experiential (instead of intellectual) way.

I happen to have interacted since I was a child with many people involved in physics research, including the LHC at CERN, as my father is a theoretical physicist and has worked there (not on the LHC or the former LEP, though). There are some very bright and open minded people that are also interested in different philosophical perspectives etc., those for sure could have some interesting things to say if exposed to these experiences. But there are also many (and I would say they are majority) very bright researchers that live their life hyper focused in their very specific, highly specialized field, without any interest in anything else. In fact I personally think many use their research as a way to escape their lives and fears. For most of those to have any good insight to offer they would need first to recover from the nuclear explosion to their reality that would ensue, and that would take years if it happens at all, as I don't think most of that type would do it again.

This is all to say that where raw IQ obviously makes a difference in understanding (almost by definition), it's not the main or even determinant factor. I would compare it with an airplane engine: a jet engine can get much farther away, must faster, than a turbofan. However without a competent pilot it won't do so, and the engine guarantees nothing about the pilot.

I've often encountered clearly brilliant people that were so conformist that would just do what a higher authority expects from them, wasting their potential. I think certain attitudes and values are the main contributors to getting close to fulfill (or not) your full potential as a human.

I personally wouldn't expect much from "specialists" as generic specialists. There are people that happen to be specialists that clearly would have much to bring back from those experiences. But it's not the being a specialist what makes that likely, it's often people that are already bringing back a lot from wherever human beings get new ideas.

So I disagree with the whole idea of a "DMT hyperspace scientific expedition" (which is where the model comes from), as navigating inner spaces is extremely different from getting on a boat and making measurements or classifying species of fish. In the latter there's a captain and a crew that do everything you need so you can do your job; in the first you are captain, crew, scientist, and everything else at once. So I think that plan is very naive. It would still be interesting to see it play out, though, but probably in very unexpected ways.
 
I don't think IQ is the main factor here, and an experimental physicist could bring back something interesting, but also could bring back a personal crisis when so many things he assumed have been so forcefully challenged in an experiential (instead of intellectual) way.
lol, that is kind of a funny thought. I remember how profoundly disturbed I was after my first DMT breakthrough. Reality as I knew it had shattered and time was revealed to be an illusion. And then afterward, I had to be stuffed back into my body to continue on as if everything was normal. If someone like me could be so affected, I imagine a person who lived in a tiny box their whole life may have a difficult time coping.
 
Sure as always getting the right people is critical, but they can't all be socially traumatized autists.
High intelligence, education, technical skill and High openness and allied traits are not mutually exclusive.
No, and that's why I didn't say either that they are socially traumatized autists (I wasn't even talking about that) nor that the right traits are mutually exclusive with intelligence or being a specialist. In fact I said the exact opposite more than once about the latter.
 
I don't think IQ is the main factor here, and an experimental physicist could bring back something interesting, but also could bring back a personal crisis when so many things he assumed have been so forcefully challenged in an experiential (instead of intellectual) way.

I happen to have interacted since I was a child with many people involved in physics research, including the LHC at CERN, as my father is a theoretical physicist and has worked there (not on the LHC or the former LEP, though). There are some very bright and open minded people that are also interested in different philosophical perspectives etc., those for sure could have some interesting things to say if exposed to these experiences. But there are also many (and I would say they are majority) very bright researchers that live their life hyper focused in their very specific, highly specialized field, without any interest in anything else. In fact I personally think many use their research as a way to escape their lives and fears. For most of those to have any good insight to offer they would need first to recover from the nuclear explosion to their reality that would ensue, and that would take years if it happens at all, as I don't think most of that type would do it again.

This is all to say that where raw IQ obviously makes a difference in understanding (almost by definition), it's not the main or even determinant factor. I would compare it with an airplane engine: a jet engine can get much farther away, must faster, than a turbofan. However without a competent pilot it won't do so, and the engine guarantees nothing about the pilot.

I've often encountered clearly brilliant people that were so conformist that would just do what a higher authority expects from them, wasting their potential. I think certain attitudes and values are the main contributors to getting close to fulfill (or not) your full potential as a human.

I personally wouldn't expect much from "specialists" as generic specialists. There are people that happen to be specialists that clearly would have much to bring back from those experiences. But it's not the being a specialist what makes that likely, it's often people that are already bringing back a lot from wherever human beings get new ideas.

So I disagree with the whole idea of a "DMT hyperspace scientific expedition" (which is where the model comes from), as navigating inner spaces is extremely different from getting on a boat and making measurements or classifying species of fish. In the latter there's a captain and a crew that do everything you need so you can do your job; in the first you are captain, crew, scientist, and everything else at once. So I think that plan is very naive. It would still be interesting to see it play out, though, but probably in very unexpected ways.
You make some excellent points.

It is fun to think about if someone in the same kind of caliber as say.. Alan Turing doing DMT and making some breakthrough in technology that changes the entire planet. I agree it would be very interesting to watch it play out. You never know unless you try. I think all humans are a little naïve when it comes to DMT, we are in our infancy or at least toddler stage compared to some of the impossible things I have seen on DMT. I mean there is no way that my mind could create these worlds and beings, it's just way too complicated and well impossible.

There has to be some kind of intelligence at work and it appears that it is trying to communicate in some way. Maybe a linguist or like I mentioned some genius like Alan Turing could break the enigma code of hyperspace.

Breaks down the code and slowly reveals the message:
Okay guys... I got an M..
Next is a.. um.. E.. yes ..E
Then ..here we go.. an O
and then a... let's see here... ahh yes.. a W
and then it repeats.


Then maybe we will begin sending cats into hyperspace.
 
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Andrew was also a guest on Hamilton Morris' podcast recently.

I'm familiar with this topic but honestly don't really know much about him or what he's doing, haven't watched any interviews yet.

"DMT is the key to a wider dimension and through it humanity will become hyperdimensional" is not a particularly original idea.
Right? I've seen that prophecy in trips too. I think it could come up during a messianic experience. If the person sees themselves as a prophet that will deliver humanity's salvation.

It wouldn't necessarily be an innovation though. I get not wanting to deal with physical side effects of ayahuasca brews, but pharmahuasca has been around lol, it's possible to have a long trip without puking or shitting if you purify the ingredients and measure your dose. Whatever system he's come up with, I can't imagine it being easier than pharma. And I would agree you can get more work done with pharma, but it's not necessarily going to open a portal to a new dimension of understanding.

I've heard multiple stories of people finding ways to extend the breakthrough. One guy swore as long as he packed bowl after bowl of marijuana, he could maintain the breakthrough as long as he wanted. Which might be kind of true, because I've basically found that to work on pharmahuasca. Someone a couple days ago reported 3 hour breakthroughs with a non-maoi plant additive. Other times people report it naturally lasting 30 minutes or so, supposedly due to their body chemistry or other medications. In all cases people seem proud of the achievement, but still can't share it in a more substantial way. And then there's analogs of DMT that simply have longer half lives.
 
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I mentioned it months ago in this thread, but an insulin pump (or a similar device) would be an easy way for an ordinary individual to spend an extended time in the sub-breakthrough and breakthrough space. It'd be a daring experiment, but perhaps not the most dangerous if the device injects doses with good precision.
 
This would be improved by removing Joe Rogan's inane rambling.
I actually loved the podcast. It was the first time I related to Andrew as a person, especially when he started a rant about Tokyo.
Nothing new was said there, and it's more of a promotion of him, his book, and a new center, but it was a very light and warm conversation.
I also figured out why I was very judgmental of the guy. Basically, I do not subscribe to his view on reality. He is too invested in science, whereas I see our modern view on reality as just one more theory. It's strange when people talk about "out there" stuff but still reek of materialism. However, that's just my own limitations at play that have nothing to do with Andrew.
 
I actually loved the podcast. It was the first time I related to Andrew as a person, especially when he started a rant about Tokyo.
Nothing new was said there, and it's more of a promotion of him, his book, and a new center, but it was a very light and warm conversation.
I also figured out why I was very judgmental of the guy. Basically, I do not subscribe to his view on reality. He is too invested in science, whereas I see our modern view on reality as just one more theory. It's strange when people talk about "out there" stuff but still reek of materialism. However, that's just my own limitations at play that have nothing to do with Andrew.
Oh, I enjoyed the podcast too! To clarify, some of J. R.'s work as a host was tolerable but there were several occasions where he really needed to curtail himself and let the guest join in. Andrew Gallimore does indeed provide some fascinating insights and his sharing of aspects of himself beyond his work with DMT more than helped in rebalancing the show. So it's better to focus on that than to become overly distracted by the host's shortcomings.
 
I think it's awesome how he helped develop a method for keeping someone in the breakthrough state for an extended period of time. Since I'm a big fan of subcutaneous injection, I've considered trying to replicate the method using an insulin pump. For a home experiment, an extended breakthrough may be a bit dangerous, but an extended sub-breakthrough might be worth a try.

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Tell me more about subcutaneous? I’ve done a lot of IM. How is sub cut different and where and how do you find it works best and what are the time frames and advantages ? The insulin pump idea is interesting. I know someone who can keep vaping off his pen in deep breakthrough and extend for 45 min also way up there. No MAOI. I have a strange reaction to MAOI often where I’m fine for a while then I suddenly get hit with this insane fractal hurricane and visual doubling of it and strobing which isn’t particularly nice. Supposedly some sort of cortical feedback related to harmine etc which doesn’t seem to happen on DMT alone - but I’m still interested in extended states,
 
If someone can still vape their pen, then they're not in a deep breakthrough. When you're deep in, there is no vape anymore, no place where to vape, nor you ;)
This guy is extremely extraordinary deep I don’t know how he does it - he’s at a level 3 state he calls it past first break through even - where it’s like a 5meo state with visuals - he says he sees it like a giant pipe in his mouth - everyone is different- he literally can keep vaping for 45 min - it did take him some time to get to this - he’s not a bullshitter a serious professional adult
 
Tell me more about subcutaneous? I’ve done a lot of IM. How is sub cut different and where and how do you find it works best and what are the time frames and advantages ? The insulin pump idea is interesting. I know someone who can keep vaping off his pen in deep breakthrough and extend for 45 min also way up there. No MAOI.
Yeah, in the world of psychedelic injection, I find it really interesting that SC injection is so seldomly used. In my experience, it's practically identical to IM in terms of the dose needed, onset of effects, and total duration/intensity of the trip. I'm sure there are subtle differences between the two methods, but they're slight enough to where it's not noticeable for me. The advantages for SC are that it's a very simple and easy process to inject into belly fat, and it has the advantage of sparing your muscles the accumulated scar tissue from repeated injections. And perhaps most interestingly, you can use the insulin pump trick that I mentioned to get a streaming dose, which is something I would definitely not try with a direct muscle injection.

I have a strange reaction to MAOI often where I’m fine for a while then I suddenly get hit with this insane fractal hurricane and visual doubling of it and strobing which isn’t particularly nice. Supposedly some sort of cortical feedback related to harmine etc which doesn’t seem to happen on DMT alone - but I’m still interested in extended states,
I actually get some bizarre effects from harmalas+DMT as well. They're like brain zaps mixed with super strange noises. It always seems to happen on the tail end of the trip. My best trips ever have used the combo, but those side effects can be unsettling.
 
Oh, I enjoyed the podcast too! To clarify, some of J. R.'s work as a host was tolerable but there were several occasions where he really needed to curtail himself and let the guest join in. Andrew Gallimore does indeed provide some fascinating insights and his sharing of aspects of himself beyond his work with DMT more than helped in rebalancing the show. So it's better to focus on that than to become overly distracted by the host's shortcomings.
I don't think Rogan necessarily brings much to the discussion beyond providing a place for it to occur. He has some psychedelic experience, but you couldn't really compare it to the members of this forum, for example. In my opinion, the one area where he excels is in the ability to bring on interesting characters.
 
If someone can still vape their pen, then they're not in a deep breakthrough. When you're deep in, there is no vape anymore, no place where to vape, nor you ;)
I would generally have to agree with this. But I guess it is possible there are people who have slipped into rarefied states where the superconscious and conscious arise simultaneously. I have no idea how that happens.

I just came across this video the other day:

 
This guy is extremely extraordinary deep I don’t know how he does it - he’s at a level 3 state he calls it past first break through even - where it’s like a 5meo state with visuals - he says he sees it like a giant pipe in his mouth - everyone is different- he literally can keep vaping for 45 min - it did take him some time to get to this - he’s not a bullshitter a serious professional adult
I would generally have to agree with this. But I guess it is possible there are people who have slipped into rarefied states where the superconscious and conscious arise simultaneously. I have no idea how that happens.
I just came across this video the other day:
I guess anything is possible, but I am very skeptical, honestly. On the other hand, we can only agree on labels within this reality. Who knows what kind of image you see when you hear the word apple? As they said in the podcast, we can never truly know what another experiences. Even the very idea of other exists only within me. I will not deny that there is a wider world beyond my personal experience.

When it comes to the video, I dislike these fringe states. There are not two consciousnesses within you - it is all one. What we call the ordinary or mundane self is merely a superimposition upon pure awareness. The base is always the same. If there is an owner, doer, or seer present, then the ego is active. True dissolution leaves only awareness intact. So I do wonder how far we actually go 🤔
 
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