Water crystalization of freebase dmt...

[destinyawaits]

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In this thread ^ it states that you can get dmt freebase by adding a solution of NaOH to vinegar with dmt dissolved in it. I can't find any other thread other than this one on the topic. I'm very interested in the idea of water crystallized dmt. Does anyone have any experience with this? And does it work well?

 

[BnaiRagshee]

I haven't tried this but thank you for bringing it up because id like to test it out.

 

[BnaiRagshee]

I dont see why it wouldn't work. But like the thread you linked said, any dmt oxide will probably be sucked up into the water.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

i know that there is a similar method in a fumarate to freebase conversion tek on the wiki.Fumarates to Freebase Conversion TEK - DMT-Nexus Wiki

 

[BnaiRagshee]

Hm but like the thread you linked said, soda carb doesnt always cause the alkaloid crash. You would be better off with NaOh

 

[destinyawaits]

I haven't tried this but thank you for bringing it up because id like to test it out.

No prob. Will be testing this for sure. I have 500 grams of ACRB, NaOH, vinegar and just ordered d-limonene.

i know that there is a similar method in a fumarate to freebase conversion tek on the wiki. only difference being no need for vinegar (Because fumarate is water soluble) and sodium carbonate instead of sodium hydroxide (Though either would work, the former is a bit safer)

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Fumara...ystallization_Conversion

I'd prefer using that method to avoid lye using a dry tek, but i already had some lye and vinegar hanging around and the only vendor of fumaric acid i've found is currently out of stock. I haven't read about anyone using either of these methods with Acacia Confusa, it will be interesting to see what happens.

BnaiRagshee, if you try this, will you be using AC or Mimosa?

 

[BnaiRagshee]

Acrb, with lye and vinegar. but I have lime too.

 

[endlessness]

if you`re using vinegar, sodium carbonate wont work, possibly because acetic acid creates hydrophobic pockets that can hold dmt and prevent it from precipitating, according to infundibulum`s speculation.

So if you use vinegar, gotta use lye to precipitate the dmt freebase. If you`re using fumaric acid, which I recommend, then you can use sodium carbonate. Its explained at the end of BLAB tek too.

Be sure to leave it a few days crystallizing because it doesnt all happen fast.

 

[twofourtwo]

Thanks for bringing this up, op.

I've got an old jar from a never finished attempt at the Hippie Salad Oil tek that I had no idea what to do with when that tek suddenly disappeared from the nexus...
It's got 500 ml of vinegar/water (+ hopefully some spice. Maybe. It's very old though).

Gibran2's tek says:
3 --- prepare a solution of NaOH: about 0.5g NaOH in 100ml water

so do I add 2.5 grams to 500 ml water? That seems such a weak solution. I've only used lye in noman's tek and in syrian rue extractions, and I've used it in abundance there (noman: 750mL water and 50g lye, for example). Would it hurt the process if one uses a stronger basic solution, or does it need a lower pH than those other teks? I hope the question is not too obvious, but I'm afraid to under-basify...

 

[endlessness]

Lye is very strong, you dont need much to raise the pH.

We could probably do a mole calculation to have an idea of exactly how much lye you need to raise your vinegar solution to pH 11 but im bad at maths and can`t find a good online calculator for it. How many mls of vinegar do you suppse there are in the 500ml of dmt/water/vinegar solution ?

Anyways you can try adding the lye solution you were planning to, and if dmt doesnt crystallize after a couple of days, you can try adding some more.

 

[destinyawaits]

Acrb, with lye and vinegar. but I have lime too.

Awesome!

Gibran2's tek says:
3 --- prepare a solution of NaOH: about 0.5g NaOH in 100ml water

so do I add 2.5 grams to 500 ml water? That seems such a weak solution. I've only used lye in noman's tek and in syrian rue extractions, and I've used it in abundance there (noman: 750mL water and 50g lye, for example). Would it hurt the process if one uses a stronger basic solution, or does it need a lower pH than those other teks? I hope the question is not too obvious, but I'm afraid to under-basify...

It does seem weak, you could probably add more to be safe, if it doesn't work then pull again with solvent, salt again, and try a different ratio. You could also evaporate your vinegar/water solution down to 100ml and use the same ratio as Gibran2 and use a little more NaOH.

 

[destinyawaits]

Hey Endlessness, do you think the vinegar needs to be diluted, or could i just add a lye solution straight to the 5% vinegar salting(s) as is?

 

[endlessness]

You can add it straight, in fact probably better this way because too much water can possibly affect crystallization.

Mind you, while several people have done this, personally I`ve only crystallized DMT in water using dissolved DMT fumarate and sodium carbonate, so I`m speaking from a theoretical pointview (though I think the advice is sound..)

Wait 3 or so days for full crystallization, and decant/filter. You can wash the DMT with dilute sodium carb solution to remove any lye traces that might be with the DMT.

 

[destinyawaits]

Great!

Lye is very strong, you dont need much to raise the pH.

So theoretically the lye solution just needs to hit a certain ph to be enough to precipitate the dmt?

I appreciate the tips. If this works i'll get some pics up. Just waiting on some limonene atm.

 

[twofourtwo]

Thanks for your reply Endlessness; I really wouldn't know how much vinegar is in there, my own guess would be as good as anybody's. But I've added the NaOH solution so now I'll let that sit for a couple of days and see if anything precipitates at all. Fingers crossed : )

It does seem weak, you could probably add more to be safe, if it doesn't work then pull again with solvent, salt again, and try a different ratio. You could also evaporate your vinegar/water solution down to 100ml and use the same ratio as Gibran2 and use a little more NaOH.

Thanks destinyawaits, I think I should have eveaporated it a bit as you say, but to tell the truth I couldn't be bothered with the hustle of boiling down vinegar tonight. It's a bit of a hit and miss operation here : )

 

[destinyawaits]

But I've added the NaOH solution so now I'll let that sit for a couple of days and see if anything precipitates at all. Fingers crossed : )

Sweet, please let us know how it goes!

Thanks destinyawaits, I think I should have eveaporated it a bit as you say, but to tell the truth I couldn't be bothered with the hustle of boiling down vinegar tonight. It's a bit of a hit and miss operation here : )

I understand that. I hope it works!

 

[DreaMTripper]

When its precipitated will it float on the surface or sink?
Edit: sticks to glass.

 

[destinyawaits]

twofourtwo, anything significant happening yet?

 

[twofourtwo]

Destinyawaits,

Something white/ yellowish and fluffy came crashing to the bottom. The solution itself is clear now so I don't think anything else is going to come out. I'll re-basify the liquid after I've decanted it to see if that does anything.

I wonder what the powdery stuff is, I hope there is some dmt in there. It doesn't stick to the glass as Dreamtripper mentions.

It's a bit hard to take meaningful pictures of 'dust' on the bottom of a beaker but it looks like this atm:

 

[DreaMTripper]

Looks good so far I have only tried it with a suspected dmt containing extract but it didnt work mainly I think as the extract was predominantly another alkaloid so I can only go off what I read on the wiki.
Fumarates to Freebase Conversion TEK - DMT-Nexus Wiki
Maybe you used too much water? 500ml seems a lot to use in this method.
Will be interesting to see what you pull with a NPS.