Weed Side Effects Became Permament After Mixing With Harmala+Dmt

[Bertaraja]

I have adhd and weed (especially sativa) makes adhd symptoms extremelly terrible. My mind makes second guesses every thoughts ı made and deny everything, never satisfies from anything. So its so fucking restless situation , because of that and some other reasons ı have guit weed more than a year.

However 6 months ago ı wanted to smoked weed while on oral dmt, things ı wrote happened again yet this time it didnt pass after I sleep and woke up. İts been 6 months I cant focus on any thoughts, cant even stop my mind. When ı close my eyes or when I love myself and try to ground myself ı have headaches. I was really positive and happy person, actually ı was living in heaven. Now my mind do not gives credit to anything

I believe most of the mental issues are all psychological so ı tried to approach the situation like that maybe ı have no chemical problem everything in my mind, maybe ı have some wrong cognitive patterns so ı keep questioning myself, keep using psychdelics but it is not working. I tried to smoke weed one more time and all of these symptoms increased for like a 5 hours. So I am sure its because of weed. I am not sure if ı make myself clear but I really need help. I went to doctor he gave me antipsychotics, yet it didnt supress my mind it only supress me. So ı stopped it aswell.

TLDR: Smoked weed on syrian rue+dmt, side effects of weed (extreme adhd?) became permament. I need help.
Note: I am giving myself time trying to eat healthy and exercise and meditate these things makes me feel normal for very short times then extreme adhd kicks in again. I tried to work in fields and go to backpacking trip. Thought if ı have to concern about my physical body and surviving while hithcking and sleeping in streets etc. I could ground myself yet even that didnt work.
Note2: No I am not smoking weed. I wasnt smoking for a long time aswell.

 

[CosmicRiver]

in my opinion you should stop using also psychedelics and harmalas and it should go away within a month. i had a very similar thing happening to me and my therapist said that drugs can do that when we already are in a fragile mindset. it should slowly go away if you don't use anything.

if you're not using any drug and you keep having that issue maybe the negative experience brought you into a negative thought pattern. i don't know if that's the case, but the fact that you feel normal for short periods of time is a good sign.

try to find out if there is something that fuels that anxiety and restlesness, and what makes you feel better. try seeing a psychotherapist/psychologist (one that doesn't judge people who have used drugs) because maybe they would be able to help you find out. sorry if what i wrote isn't very clear maybe

 

[EmeraldAtomiser]

Sorry to hear of your troubles. It does seem like a strange decision to smoke weed at all, when you were aware of how negatively affects you, never mind mixing it with DMT and an MAOI.
I hope you can find something that helps resolve these issues, but would say that CosmicRiver's advice would be a good place to start.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

I am a pothead, and I do not like weed with acid, not at all. It has sent me into actual bad trips. I can tolerate weed on mushrooms only somewhat better. Never tried it on DMT, have actually only smoked DMT when I haven't smoked pot in a while.
I know of a few people who seriously don't like pot on acid and I've read of quite a few more.
Just posting this to let you know that that is not an uncommon thing.

I'm sorry you have been stuck in this feeling. I think the best advice is from CosmicRiver and to be completely drug free for some time.
Maybe drug free forever, definitely for a long time. Almost surely pot free forever.
Everyone's brain is different and everyone built up who they are differently with the brain they were dealt. One brain/construct might handle certain drugs/situations worse or not at all and yet have other challenges be a superpower. Not better, not worse, different.

 

[northape]

I'd suggest cardio exerises like running or biking, sauna and maybe fasting.
Anything that makes you sweat a lot and lets your body clean itself out.
Drink enough water, take some B vitamins, walk in nature everyday.

Don't gaslight yourself too much in any direction. Nothing is permanent, that's for sure.
Your condition will change whether you want it or not. Be kind to yourself and your challenges.

Best wishes and good luck

 

[Jungleheart]

I have a history of similar issues, you can read Learn From My Mistakes in my signature. I need to use low dose harmalas daily, 30-50mg twice a day. This gets me to a positive stable place and able to smoke weed without any issues.

I don't recommend sleeping in streets if you are already having mental health issues, that sounds stressful. Your goal should be resting and healing. Napping, yoga, meditation, prayer, reading, etc.

 

[🌺🔥🫧]

Focusing on a candle flame can counteract weed intoxication/disorientation/forgetfulnes in my experience, even when in the middle of a cannabis trip. At least in my case! You could try and see how that helps.

Don’t drink caffeine either, or do any stimulants.

Also protracted emotions under the surface can significantly conflict with your focus.

Is your sleep good? …

Best wishes luv

 

[Egzoset]

Joined: Dec 19, 2024
Messages: 1

I have adhd... I need help.

So a total newbie comes around whi complains about his vilification & abuse of a most precious gift from dame Nature, somehow supposed to heal him from « living in heaven » and now blaming it in a « therapy » forum dedicated to « trauma »... Signed "The King" in indonesian language, e.g. from a country where possession is punishable by 4 to 12 years of imprisonment!

Just in time for Christmass! Hummm... I see.

IMHO there should be restrictions put on fresh-new subscriptions, like a probation period to prevent instant gratification.

M'well. Strange decisions indeed, but don't expect me to fall for it even a micro-second!




Ref.:

[ https:// www.indonesia.travel/my/en/general-information/local-law.html ]​

What is the penalty for drug possession and trafficking in Indonesia?​

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« Like in many countries, Indonesia has Capital Punishments for Possession and Trafficking of illegal drugs.​

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Possession is punishable by 4 to 12 years of imprisonment. There is also IDR 800 million to 8 billion (US$89,600 to US$896,000) worth of fines. f the drugs exceed 1 kilogram (for raw drugs like marijuana) or 5 grams (for processed drugs like heroin and cocaine), a maximum punishment of life imprisonment may be imposed.​

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Trafficking is punishable by 5 to 15 years of imprisonment and fines of IDR one billion to ten billion (US$112,000 to US$1.2 million). If the volume of drugs exceeds 1 kilogram (for raw drugs) or 5 grams (for processed drugs), the death penalty may be imposed. »​

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[Transform]

Harmala + DMT is proven to induce neuroplasticity, so the concurrent use of weed could have led to strengthing of some sub-optimal pathways in this instance. The advice to lay off drugs and instead focus on meditation and exercise seems the most sound.

Only with expert guidance, or a considerable amount of introspective preparation and self-discipline, would it make sense to attempt to re-optimise the neural connectome with the help of neuroplasticity agents.

 

[Transform]

I didnt understand any of it.

@northape's reply seemed clear enough to me, at least. Or "any of" what, precisely, don't you understand?

Perhaps you could try to articulate yourself a bit more clearly. Steering away from ambiguities like "it" would be helpful.

Ni! Ni! Ni!
[Edit: I see you quoted in error, and can understand that certain other quotes may have seemed confusing and/or irrelevant…]

 

[Bertaraja]

Harmala + DMT is proven to induce neuroplasticity, so the concurrent use of weed could have led to strengthing of some sub-optimal pathways in this instance. The advice to lay off drugs and instead focus on meditation and exercise seems the most sound.

Only with expert guidance, or a considerable amount of introspective preparation and self-discipline, would it make sense to attempt to re-optimise the neural connectome with the help of neuroplasticity agents.

Thats what I thought aswell, since Harmaline increase neuroplasticity while I was on that stage my brain get change and to be honest I am starting to get afraid. I do believe that I have healthy thoughts pattern and sincere heart yet couldnt find any proper solution that helps. Only one thing that makes me feel better is that this idea you mentioned ( That my brain became alternated/damaged) because when ı think about it I can leave my mind for a while and it directs energy a bit to my body intstead of mind but I love my mind and need I it because I love the rightneousness and power of the truth. More than that ı wanna be normal human again XD

So maybe u find it stupid but I observed that when I stay hungry long enough or at the peak of the lsd this symptoms get pretty much less. So I thought maybe I should take harmala+dmt agaın but this time with lsd. Main logic is that if the symptoms goes away while peaking on acid. And smoking weed on harmala made it permament maybe if ı take the acid on harmala it can reverse it? What do you think?
Thank you

I'd suggest cardio exerises like running or biking, sauna and maybe fasting.
Anything that makes you sweat a lot and lets your body clean itself out.
Drink enough water, take some B vitamins, walk in nature everyday.

Don't gaslight yourself too much in any direction. Nothing is permanent, that's for sure.
Your condition will change whether you want it or not. Be kind to yourself and your challenges.

Best wishes and good luck

Yes strangely fasting is really helping a alot but it goes away after I ate. My theory was my dopamine pathways got damaged and the increase of norepinephrine and dopamine of being hunger is somehow helping me. Thank you

 

[Bertaraja]

Joined: Dec 19, 2024
Messages: 1



So a total newbie comes around whi complains about his vilification & abuse of a most precious gift from dame Nature, somehow supposed to heal him from « living in heaven » and now blaming it in a « therapy » forum dedicated to « trauma »... Signed "The King" in indonesian language, e.g. from a country where possession is punishable by 4 to 12 years of imprisonment!

Just in time for Christmass! Hummm... I see.

IMHO there should be restrictions put on fresh-new subscriptions, like a probation period to prevent instant gratification.

M'well. Strange decisions indeed, but don't expect me to fall for it even a micro-second!




Ref.:

[ https:// www.indonesia.travel/my/en/general-information/local-law.html ]​

What is the penalty for drug possession and trafficking in Indonesia?​

​

« Like in many countries, Indonesia has Capital Punishments for Possession and Trafficking of illegal drugs.​

​

Possession is punishable by 4 to 12 years of imprisonment. There is also IDR 800 million to 8 billion (US$89,600 to US$896,000) worth of fines. f the drugs exceed 1 kilogram (for raw drugs like marijuana) or 5 grams (for processed drugs like heroin and cocaine), a maximum punishment of life imprisonment may be imposed.​

​

Trafficking is punishable by 5 to 15 years of imprisonment and fines of IDR one billion to ten billion (US$112,000 to US$1.2 million). If the volume of drugs exceeds 1 kilogram (for raw drugs) or 5 grams (for processed drugs), the death penalty may be imposed. »​

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Dude can you rephrase it again? I didnt understand what u wanna say and ı Am not from Indonesıa.

 

[Transform]

Dude can you rephrase it again? I didnt understand what u wanna say and ı Am not from Indonesıa.

I'll make a wild guess and say that you're at least typing with a Turkish keyboard

Thats what I thought aswell, since Harmaline increase neuroplasticity while I was on that stage my brain get change and to be honest I am starting to get afraid. I do believe that I have healthy thoughts pattern and sincere heart yet couldnt find any proper solution that helps. Only one thing that makes me feel better is that this idea you mentioned ( That my brain became alternated/damaged) because when ı think about it I can leave my mind for a while but I love my mind and need I it because I love the rightneousness and power of the truth. More than that ı wanna be normal human again XD

So maybe u find it stupid but I observed that when I stay hungry long enough or at the peak of the lsd this symptoms get pretty much less. So I thought maybe I should take harmala+dmt agaın but this time with lsd. Main logic is that if the symptoms goes away while peaking on acid. And smoking weed on harmala made it permament maybe if ı take the acid on harmala it can reverse it? What do you think?
Thank you


Yes strangely fasting is really helping a alot but it goes away after I ate. My theory was my dopamine pathways got damaged and the increase of norepinephrine and dopamine of being hunger is somehow helping me. Thank you

If you rewired your brain once, you can rewire it again, but there may be a considerable element of due diligence required, given that you were unsatisfied with the results last time.

It also shouldn't be overlooked that, with these things, there can be a certain element of 'getting used to it'!

 

[Bertaraja]

I'll make a wild guess and say that you're at least typing with a Turkish keyboard

If you rewired your brain once, you can rewire it again, but there may be a considerable element of due diligence required, given that you were unsatisfied with the results last time.

It also shouldn't be overlooked that, with these things, there can be a certain element of 'getting used to it'!

Yeah that is great guess How did you find it out? I was thinking u are smart but now I am totally convinced.
What do you mean by "getting used to"? İf you mentioned about getting used to present situation with find a stabilization, vibe and ground, I am consciously and unconsciously trying that but its not working. Any strong case, thought is been disproved by my mind. I feel most sane and healthy when I try to stop that and accept I am sick for a while which is fucked up. İf you said that ı should get used to being crazy and live my life like this it would be quite unpleasent yet I am getting used to it aswell, I stopped trying to ground myself when the pain gets too high I am unconsciously grounding myself for a while then it starting again.

I am really gratefull that you are reading and answering and ı am also gratefull that you are approaching the state in logical ways.

 

[Jungleheart]

It sounds like some of the effects of weed for me when I am being manic (I have bipolar). I get lost in my thoughts and it's difficult to focus. I definitely think you should take a break from drugs and stress for a while to see if it goes away. I do things that I think will ground myself but it never really works. I basically have to nap a lot and take oral harmalas to destress. If not maybe try being on a mood stabilizer for a short time.

 

[northape]

Yes strangely fasting is really helping a alot but it goes away after I ate. My theory was my dopamine pathways got damaged and the increase of norepinephrine and dopamine of being hunger is somehow helping me. Thank you

Most benefits of fasting are on days 3 to 5. Stuff like autophagy, insulin "reset" etc. need a prolonged fasted state. Your brain starts to work on ketones after around 36 hours too. Fasting, cardio and sauna helped me the most to get weed out of my system. It took 8+ months to a year in my case. I'm weed free for 5 years now and don't really miss it.
Just be patient. You can figure your next step when body is somewhat stable. Harmalas definetly help but not right away. I would still take a time off from all substances.

Just don't overdo it. Too much of anything could end badly. Fasting works when it's the main healing practice. It's not a quick fix.
If you are already unstable, prolonged fast could go both ways.

Take care

 

[CosmicRiver]

My advice is to stop thinking about your brain and what happened to it because if you keep thinking about your symptoms you're reinforcing those pathways. One thing that came to my mind in the last few days is that you could try practicing Tai Chi and/or Kung Fu if you have a school nearby. It was maybe the thing that helped me the most when I was in a similar situation, similar symptoms following prolonged DMT + harmalas + cannnabis use.

It's not just the physical excercise but also the concentration required to practice Tai Chi / Kung Fu, the breathing technique, and maybe also the movement of energy / qi through the body and unblocking it where it is currently blocked if you believe in it.
Give it a try and if during the lesson and after the lesson you feel well at least for some time it probably means that it's working.

 

[northape]

My advice is to stop thinking about your brain and what happened to it because if you keep thinking about your symptoms you're reinforcing those pathways. One thing that came to my mind in the last few days is that you could try practicing Tai Chi and/or Kung Fu if you have a school nearby. It was maybe the thing that helped me the most when I was in a similar situation, similar symptoms following prolonged DMT + harmalas + cannnabis use.

Yes to this. Similar condition even named wind or loong disorder in traditional medicine.
It's just impossible to help through the net. How could we possible know real situation?

Most of us agree to abstain from any substances and diagnosis seeking. Create a healing environment and move from there.
People like to take advice just to shift blame later on. Very few do really hear what was said.
Not to say it's the case, but quite often it is.

Best Wishes!
May healing find you

 

[Transform]

Yeah that is great guess How did you find it out? I was thinking u are smart but now I am totally convinced.
What do you mean by "getting used to"? İf you mentioned about getting used to present situation with find a stabilization, vibe and ground, I am consciously and unconsciously trying that but its not working. Any strong case, thought is been disproved by my mind. I feel most sane and healthy when I try to stop that and accept I am sick for a while which is fucked up. İf you said that ı should get used to being crazy and live my life like this it would be quite unpleasent yet I am getting used to it aswell, I stopped trying to ground myself when the pain gets too high I am unconsciously grounding myself for a while then it starting again.

I am really gratefull that you are reading and answering and ı am also gratefull that you are approaching the state in logical ways.

Well, tbh the dotless "ı" is a dead giveaway, so I'd never claim to be that smart. My life has consisted of a surfeit of ill-judged blunders, mostly due to sleep deprivation and/or intoxication - or its aftermath. Cannabis tends to generate abundant daft ideas for my temporary amusement, but these seldom come to anything in the long run.

There have been a couple or so additional cogent replies since I started typing this, but the gist of "getting used to it" is very well suumarised in simply moving away from the focus on the perceived brain state and getting on with just about anything else. Creative expression of some kind should not be overlooked as a healing modality, be that painting, singing or even woodwork.

This may lead to deeper realisations about the changes you've undergone, and a degree of acceptance will generally help some of those concerns and anxieties which you've expressed to fade into the background.

+1 for regular, disciplined physical training, too. Learning a range of basic circus skills was one of the best things for me personally that I've ever done, just as an example. Fwiw, it's helped me embrace being intrinsically a bit bonkers, and what you have done is quite possibly a case of opening your awareness to your own personal quirks which were there all along. "Emergence phenomena" may be a handy term to look into in this respect, maybe prefixed by "spiritual".

One more thing, 'shamanic' healing can be engaged in without the use of drugs. Drumming and visualisation alone can produce some surprising results.

 

[Egzoset]

Dude...

Bad move, must be the fault of permanent ADHD again.