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What is your base for a promotion voting?
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I think it's a flawed system, I haven't cast one vote since it was put in place. I believe the system tends to create full members that are all similarily extroverted like minded individuals. Whilst the atmosphere is far more pleasant then it was in the past we have really lagged behind in the areas of psychedelic research which this forum used to be one of the #1 spots to go to for.
I look for overall maturity and unique standpoints within ones posting or chat behavior. As well as abiding by and encouraging ATTITUDE aspects and respecting individuality of all members, including themselves.
It might be a useful addition to the system if votes could be cast not only for the person, but also for quality postings.
I suspect that people are more hesitant to give full approval for a person than they would for one specific posting. The posting votes could be given a different weight than the member votes.
I suspect that people are more hesitant to give full approval for a person than they would for one specific posting. The posting votes could be given a different weight than the member votes.
It used to be MUCH worse here . It was like a continual war where people were boasting about " their " teks . Shooting at eachother and trying to destroy other peoples credibility . " You stole my tek " . " Your tek is crap " . " My tek is better " . " Your tek isnt a tek " .
If you didnt worship mckenna you were treated like you were a paedophile with AIDs .
People like me who came and questioned the standard dogma were mobbed . I left because of it . Because it was one sided .
I went round the net and told people that what we had been told about MAOIs and machine elves was BULLSHIT . I got hounded . Now i come back here and see that even the old diehards have finaly woken up and realised that the info we had about MAOIs was from chemical long acting MAOIs and not from traditional plants . And that DMT is an hallucinogen and hallucinations are NOT real .
Back to voting . I REFUSE . Faschistoid elites are not for me . Things like that are not healthy . We need diversity . Different ways of looking and seeing . NOT the same old brown toung clones that agree with needy egoists . Stagnation and forum faschism are crap .
If you didnt worship mckenna you were treated like you were a paedophile with AIDs .
People like me who came and questioned the standard dogma were mobbed . I left because of it . Because it was one sided .
I went round the net and told people that what we had been told about MAOIs and machine elves was BULLSHIT . I got hounded . Now i come back here and see that even the old diehards have finaly woken up and realised that the info we had about MAOIs was from chemical long acting MAOIs and not from traditional plants . And that DMT is an hallucinogen and hallucinations are NOT real .
Back to voting . I REFUSE . Faschistoid elites are not for me . Things like that are not healthy . We need diversity . Different ways of looking and seeing . NOT the same old brown toung clones that agree with needy egoists . Stagnation and forum faschism are crap .
If a new member has a spot-on comment/remark, I give it a go. It may be charitable, but on the other hand it's not only my vote that counts.steppa said:
+1 for instant gratification.
I tend to always vote for new members as long as they are not obviously ignorant and or lazy (e.a asking questions which can easily be found through the search function or FAQ) or people that take the DMT experience a little bit too serious. I ask myself "why not" rather than "why". But hey I'm a relatively new member so take it as you will.
Why? How do you determine if someone is extroverted or not? Like minded? OF COURSE! That is the whole point of the voting system.
Here are a few signs i'm looking for in a new member:
- Is willing to answer basic questions himself
- Is willing to put in extra effort in writing about his or her experience
- Is willing to actively help out other members
- Displays a friendly attitute
- Isn't highly erratic, does not agitate himself or others constantly
- Does not insult others
- Does not have a superiority complex
- Likes a good discussion but doesn't like fighting for no reason
- Doesn't constantly creat nag posts "Why am i not a full member yet????"
- Is humble
- Displays one or more highly valuable traits such as basic training in a science, as a counselor, is willing to help projects along
- Is empathic and pleasant to be around
- Isn't a 13 years old multitoxic drug user and refers to dmt as "tha deems brah!"
Evil-ution found it nesecery to put your noses on the other side and at the other end of your bodys as your backside . Allthough it stinks evil-ution didnt get rid of your backside ...... because its usefull ?
When standing at the trafic lights with children its good to have some idiot that walks across on red because then the kids can see it and have something to compare correct behavour with . That person helped me and my kids . We learned from them .
The failure of drug laws . A lot of the problems came fom ignoring the needs of people . From forcing users into the dark . To places where they couldnt be helped . Those " laws " caused more damage than good . In the end the drugs werent the problem it was the " laws " and the people that caryed them out .
In my life i have leaned from my and other peoples ignorance and mistakes = Those mistakes and ignorance were positive and helped me .
Its the same situation with kids . Do we throw them away because they make mistakes ? Because they are ignorant ? Or do we help them as far as we can up to a sensible limit .......... and learn and grow because of it . Dont we want to be mature ? Are we so petty ?
Lets create some DMT web site ghettos where the people that are not good enough for us can hang out and .......... send a negative message to the world about DMT . ABOUT OUR WORLD . Joe public and the press see them and report about DMT and ayahuasca and use them as an example . Wouldnt it be better for us all to not be antisocial ? Eliteist ? Snobish ?
What about the ignorant people , the nuts and crazy people here who are already members ?
Dear (L)user , We dont want you . You are not good enough . We are better . We were never ignorant . We never made mistakes . We want to have our cake and eat it .
The answer to the problem is sensible capable mods that do their jobs = Ensure MODERATION .
When standing at the trafic lights with children its good to have some idiot that walks across on red because then the kids can see it and have something to compare correct behavour with . That person helped me and my kids . We learned from them .
The failure of drug laws . A lot of the problems came fom ignoring the needs of people . From forcing users into the dark . To places where they couldnt be helped . Those " laws " caused more damage than good . In the end the drugs werent the problem it was the " laws " and the people that caryed them out .
In my life i have leaned from my and other peoples ignorance and mistakes = Those mistakes and ignorance were positive and helped me .
Its the same situation with kids . Do we throw them away because they make mistakes ? Because they are ignorant ? Or do we help them as far as we can up to a sensible limit .......... and learn and grow because of it . Dont we want to be mature ? Are we so petty ?
Lets create some DMT web site ghettos where the people that are not good enough for us can hang out and .......... send a negative message to the world about DMT . ABOUT OUR WORLD . Joe public and the press see them and report about DMT and ayahuasca and use them as an example . Wouldnt it be better for us all to not be antisocial ? Eliteist ? Snobish ?
What about the ignorant people , the nuts and crazy people here who are already members ?
Dear (L)user , We dont want you . You are not good enough . We are better . We were never ignorant . We never made mistakes . We want to have our cake and eat it .
The answer to the problem is sensible capable mods that do their jobs = Ensure MODERATION .
Redguard said:
Lagged behind? Behind who?
Click my signature for a little taste of what we're doing, I think we're on the cutting edge of underground psychedelic research and AFAIK there's nobody even close.
Also, feel free to suggest a different way to deal with new members if you have better ideas
Hmmm... Everyone can be childishly irresponsible and the moderators have to be the parents and clean up the mess and deal with all the petty tantrums? Apart from the difficulty of finding moderators who like to do that job, I disagree with that whole model. It is the entry into that "ism" with an "f" (albeit a small one at the start). Sorry for the near Godwin.GOD said:
How is it antisocial to help new members make the best out of their nexus experience, by allowing them to acclimate to the nexus culture in a safe environment (welcome area) =
How is it elitist to allow everyone to register for an account?
How is it snobbish to provide everyone with a wealth of information & personal guidance?
The welcome area IS active moderation.
I am not very good at voting but my base for voting for a member is how long they have been here and how many posts they have done without completely pissing everyone off. If they have made a lot of posts over a length of time then they are keen. They like it here. I should probably judge people just for their skills in posting but i prefer inclusion rather than exclusion.
The mods here have always been ok in my view. They are reasonable and polite. (apart from Art VanD"lay. He"s a bloody animal!)
The mods here have always been ok in my view. They are reasonable and polite. (apart from Art VanD"lay. He"s a bloody animal!)
" Also, feel free to suggest a different way to deal with new members if you have better ideas "
I dont know how it is now because i joined a few years ago .
This is not a personal critic of any of the people who make and run this site .
My opinion about new members , mods , the site , the rules , things that need to be done ---- >
1 - Moderators should not be known . When people know who the mods are they treat them differently wich is not good for any of us .
When a person wants to join they should be informed that they are on a waiting list and that in the mean time they should read the wiki , the FAQ and the atitude page . They should also be given a list of do's and donts . A list that explains what is ment by research . And be informed of the measures that can and will be ordered against offenders .
They should be told that they are on a probation time and that they need to spend some time thinking about how the site works and what the members expect . They should also be told that they should not be hurt . suprised or take it to seriously if someone moans , shoots or shouts at them .
After that its a job for the comunity and the mods . The members need to be given clear instructions of do's and donts with new members . That they are not there to judge and condem they should try to help .
IF someone steps out of line or says something factual that others dont know they shouldnt be imediately banned as i was because others had done little esearch . Still after how many weeks noone has apologised to me for the shit stom that was thrown at me . I have a hard skin . I am used to foren . Others are not and being attacked in public can drive a beginner to the edge of suicide . They should be contacted anonymously by a mod and be told / asked what they did and why . Plus what is expected of them . And if needed be given a warning and or a ban .
Out times as a way to calm situations are good . Not drakonian rules and mods with a hair trigger who ban people . The offender should first get a clear PM and if that doesnt work an ordered pause . In different cases different amounts of time from between a few hours to forever .
Moderators should be neutral and also answer PMs to them from new faces .
When someone points out that a site function doesnt work properly they should be answered . The problem shouldnt be ignored . How the mods treat people and their posts gives a message to the other members . If they treat someone unfairly it sends a message to the other members and that is often the start of mobbing on sites .
2 - The wiki needs fixing . Its fantastic BUT its MUCH to bloated . Does anyone need info about how to hunt bears in the yukon ? The benefits of kombucha ? Or the other spam in it ? There are pages that are double for instance Psilocin & Psilocybin and Psilocin And Psilocybin . One of wich seems to be realy about baeocystin . Or chemical and chemicals . Or acid and acids . It even let someone post a page called fuck .
The facts are buryed in between discussion pages , pages of changes and irelevant links . To expect people to read it all is unrealistic . It took me about a year to get through it all . How should they know what to read ?
As it is now its a building site . That means there is a need for two wikis . The actual one and the planned one thats in the makeing . That the facts that are known are in the visible one and the other is invisible except for the people building it .
3 - The foto upload function is defect . I am not the only peson that has noticed and said it but up untill now there has been no reply to my post .
With posesions comes responsibility . That means that when someone makes a forum and they want to last long and be respected they have to take the whole packet and not just the raisons . The work as well and not just the fun .
This is not a personal critic of any of the people who make and run this site .
@ obliguhl . What you said has no conection to what i said .
I dont know how it is now because i joined a few years ago .
This is not a personal critic of any of the people who make and run this site .
My opinion about new members , mods , the site , the rules , things that need to be done ---- >
1 - Moderators should not be known . When people know who the mods are they treat them differently wich is not good for any of us .
When a person wants to join they should be informed that they are on a waiting list and that in the mean time they should read the wiki , the FAQ and the atitude page . They should also be given a list of do's and donts . A list that explains what is ment by research . And be informed of the measures that can and will be ordered against offenders .
They should be told that they are on a probation time and that they need to spend some time thinking about how the site works and what the members expect . They should also be told that they should not be hurt . suprised or take it to seriously if someone moans , shoots or shouts at them .
After that its a job for the comunity and the mods . The members need to be given clear instructions of do's and donts with new members . That they are not there to judge and condem they should try to help .
IF someone steps out of line or says something factual that others dont know they shouldnt be imediately banned as i was because others had done little esearch . Still after how many weeks noone has apologised to me for the shit stom that was thrown at me . I have a hard skin . I am used to foren . Others are not and being attacked in public can drive a beginner to the edge of suicide . They should be contacted anonymously by a mod and be told / asked what they did and why . Plus what is expected of them . And if needed be given a warning and or a ban .
Out times as a way to calm situations are good . Not drakonian rules and mods with a hair trigger who ban people . The offender should first get a clear PM and if that doesnt work an ordered pause . In different cases different amounts of time from between a few hours to forever .
Moderators should be neutral and also answer PMs to them from new faces .
When someone points out that a site function doesnt work properly they should be answered . The problem shouldnt be ignored . How the mods treat people and their posts gives a message to the other members . If they treat someone unfairly it sends a message to the other members and that is often the start of mobbing on sites .
2 - The wiki needs fixing . Its fantastic BUT its MUCH to bloated . Does anyone need info about how to hunt bears in the yukon ? The benefits of kombucha ? Or the other spam in it ? There are pages that are double for instance Psilocin & Psilocybin and Psilocin And Psilocybin . One of wich seems to be realy about baeocystin . Or chemical and chemicals . Or acid and acids . It even let someone post a page called fuck .
The facts are buryed in between discussion pages , pages of changes and irelevant links . To expect people to read it all is unrealistic . It took me about a year to get through it all . How should they know what to read ?
As it is now its a building site . That means there is a need for two wikis . The actual one and the planned one thats in the makeing . That the facts that are known are in the visible one and the other is invisible except for the people building it .
3 - The foto upload function is defect . I am not the only peson that has noticed and said it but up untill now there has been no reply to my post .
With posesions comes responsibility . That means that when someone makes a forum and they want to last long and be respected they have to take the whole packet and not just the raisons . The work as well and not just the fun .
This is not a personal critic of any of the people who make and run this site .
@ obliguhl . What you said has no conection to what i said .
GOD said:
This is exactly how its done, all new members get a pm explaining what they have to do and the main links such as FAQ, attitude page, etc. They stay in 'probation period' until they are democratically voted in or the mods decide they are ready.
GOD said:
You clearly don't see what goes on behind the curtains, we do a LOT of mediation and talk to people, banning is just the last resource. That's the ungrateful part of being a moderator, people only see a small part of the work.
I don't want to turn this discussion about you, but first of all you werent banned, secondly your posting has often been problematic, some time ago you made several unsafe comments (and factually wrong) like saying meth is harmless, or also when talking about huge oral cannabis doses as if it has any bearing on what others should do, and you have often acted in ways that people felt as judgemental or combative. We received several pms from people complaining about your posts. So instead of pointing fingers, take a good look at yourself first.
GOD said:
Why don't you register in the wiki and fix it yourself? Contribute instead of expecting others to do so.
Easy for you to say heh?
How many hours (days, months, years) do you think mods have invested in trying to help this place, solving troubles, coming up with novel solutions, mediating between discussions and problems, fixing threads, organizing the wiki, writting the FAQ and other sections etc etc.? How many hours have mods and others spent doing the experiments and sharing the info which you reap benefit of, for no personal gain at all? How many thousands of bucks do you think Trav invested from his own money in this place without charging a cent from you and other members? To say its not "just the fun" is so off, it's not even funny.
That is infuriating to put it mildly. The calm way endlessness has adressed this is a testament of his character.
All i see is you complain, complain, complain .. without knowing what's going on. The fact that there is not much visible moderation is absolutely awesome and 100% on purpose. It is selfless and contributes to the atmosphere. I myself have witnessed numerous mediations and I can attest that there is a high degree of goodwill on the nexus.
I often have trouble understanding your posts.
obliguhl said:
Why? How do you determine if someone is extroverted or not? Like minded? OF COURSE! That is the whole point of the voting system.
Here are a few signs i'm looking for in a new member:
The nose knows
These past few years I've been exploring the use of henbane and large doses of Syrian rue with a little acacia bark as light in a ritual setting. It's been.... and interesting ride... to say the least. The areas I choose to conduct my own research in are on the fringe of even dmt nexus. Unfortunately they wouldn't be tolerated here, even though, through intelligent use I find it rather safe.
endlessness said:Redguard said:
Lagged behind? Behind who?
Click my signature for a little taste of what we're doing, I think we're on the cutting edge of underground psychedelic research and AFAIK there's nobody even close.
Also, feel free to suggest a different way to deal with new members if you have better ideas
Endlessness, without you, this place would crumble, you know that right? You showed me a lot of links for things done in the past. I don't see many of them being accomplished now. We lost a lot of our incredibly intelligent members, and it shows in the quality of the topics one finds on this site. I think this system that is put in place will keep a lot of these people away. Call it an intuitive hunch.
My suggestion to fix the issue would be to slightly tweak the system. Instead of having people go for a year or two in an evaluation period before they accumulate enough votes to become a full member, I would have people vote on the quality of an individual's intro essay to get on the site. I would also increase the number of active moderators, provided they are up for the job.
Hope you didn't take my comment the wrong way. I myself am leaning towards "all words and no show" and that's why i often try to do the mirror thing in order to help others not make the same mistake i'm often making.
The issue with people staying in the welcome area for YEARS is unfortunate. Some of these people seem to be somehow "forgotten" and that is certainly a legit complaint. Perhaps some sort of system could be implemented in which a welcome area member would recieve the chance of an evaluation after say 3 months if he or she hasn't been promoted....automatic mail...clikc on this link for an evaluation etc.
I guess some shy people really might be too shy to ask the big "Why?" Question after a decent amount of time has passed.
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