What ˝IT˝ is?

[hardboiled]

On several occasions that i had direct experience of ˝IT˝ (creator, consciousness, oneness, god...) among countless things i was also told or shown/felt that IT doesn't know where it comes from or what it is in a way and that it's trying to find out through us.:surprised

So my questions are.
How can creator be all knowing but at the same time have this kind of amnesia/not knowing when it comes down to IT's own origin or what/who it is?
Is creator perhaps also on some kind of search?
Is all of this his own way of figuring out it's own beginning, purpose etc.

To many questions to write them all down but you get the sense what i am trying to ask.

Greatly appreciated if you post your thoughts/experiences about this.

 

[kraussanon]

I like two ideas I thought of when I read this.

One is with every occasion I see an 'entity' I like to think that there's this ladder. There's things below us as humans, and, if we're looking at this hypothetically, then there should be something above us as well. But are there things above those that are above us? I like to think of it like different dimensions, or, for lack of better words, parallel universes. I don't think they're actually there, but wouldn't it be neat if this chemical could open part of another universe for us? And they just have no idea and are doing that same?

Two,
I like to think that every 'entity' you come across is just a figment of your personality. Whatever that entity was trying to tell you, or give to you, is just part of who you are. I had a trip where I actually got very scared and tried to stop having the trip. And instead of taking over visually with closed eyes, it took over auditory hallucinations. I basically felt like a schizophrenic. After I called down I decided to try again without hitting anymore. Sat back, relaxed and had a conversation with a creature covered in candy skulls (Day of the dead). I laughed at them and said, "Oh so it's you again." And they giggled back and said, "Aren't we always?" At the end, I heard "This is all we know." And I like to believe that that was just the anxious version of myself that came through this time. I got really scared, I thought someone was dying in my bathroom. Freaking out, asking my friends to, "Do something normal, please. Just talk, or do anything," making them very uncomfortable. l

I hope this adds something to what you were asking? I'm not sure myself, I feel I've rambled lol

 

[hardboiled]

Thanks for your input kraussanon. Didnt quite answer/share on the questions that i provided but none the less it still valid since it triggered something which made you write something from your own experiences. I do agree that whatever you experience while under the influence it does come across like it is you.
Perhaps this subject has been discussed over and over again here at Nexus.

 

[null24]

Timely.

I had a pretty deep journey last night, being invited in. On several occasions over had similar thoughts. God wants to be human and human wants to be god. In there place where IT is, there is no feeling, no matter, no body. On down the line, here in the three dimensional reality, there is nothing but feeling. In that space where no reference to this reality exists, our soul or whatever you want to call it, the individual thread of all that is that each of us contains, wants to understand this creation, and we fall into these bodies to try to do so. It's hard work. As a consequence of being in these shells with all their needs and pains and desires, we cannot even perceive the place from which we came.

Another powerful vision I had once that relates to this concept and which was shown to me as "the face of God", I saw two faces looking deeply into each other, it kinda looked like one of those face/vase drawings except this face was made of vat clouds that looked like nebula in space. I understood it as being the same as when I would gaze into the mirror as a child and wonder " who am I?, what is all this?"

God is having a terrible identity crisis, and it is up to us to perform the healing work that will once again restore the state of balance BEFORE all this came into being.

 

[f1]

Just as we are within a elaborate game of 'Peek a Boo' 'Hide n Seek' maybe IT is also, ad infinitum.

 

[hardboiled]

Timely.

I had a pretty deep journey last night, being invited in. On several occasions over had similar thoughts. God wants to be human and human wants to be god. In there place where IT is, there is no feeling, no matter, no body. On down the line, here in the three dimensional reality, there is nothing but feeling. In that space where no reference to this reality exists, our soul or whatever you want to call it, the individual thread of all that is that each of us contains, wants to understand this creation, and we fall into these bodies to try to do so. It's hard work. As a consequence of being in these shells with all their needs and pains and desires, we cannot even perceive the place from which we came.

Another powerful vision I had once that relates to this concept and which was shown to me as "the face of God", I saw two faces looking deeply into each other, it kinda looked like one of those face/vase drawings except this face was made of vat clouds that looked like nebula in space. I understood it as being the same as when I would gaze into the mirror as a child and wonder " who am I?, what is all this?"

God is having a terrible identity crisis, and it is up to us to perform the healing work that will once again restore the state of balance BEFORE all this came into being.

Now that is very interesting null24. 8) I agree with you that god is having identity crisis. I was told that it's trying to figure out what it is and having hard time doing it.
How fascinating is that!!!:surprised
This ˝creator˝ having so ˝human˝ like problems. Mirrors. As above so below a?:shock:
It's HARD WORK indeed.
Please can you elaborate more on ˝balance BEFORE all this came into being˝?
Excellent post man! Stimulating my thinking.

 

[hardboiled]

Just as we are within a elaborate game of 'Peek a Boo' 'Hide n Seek' maybe IT is also, ad infinitum.

Guess there are endless processes simultaneously happening.
˝IT˝ could be even more complicated than we ever could estimate.

What a crazy experience all this is...i'm always lost for words when i remind my self.

 

[satchelpack]

I tend to think of "IT" as being the collective mind of everything living. If that's the case then that would mean that we all need to know who we are before the greater being could know who it is. But this is problematic since I don't think that anyone could ever entirely be themselves. This is because I believe that we are all created from "IT" and therefore have a part of "IT" in each of us. This means that we are a mixture or a synthesis of both the eternal and the temporal and this conflict causes all of us to have an internal identity crisis.

That conflict is what causes a "self" to emerge. This "self" is the result of how one balances their own synthesis (freewill). So in a sense, we are the infinite possibilities of "IT's" mind, yet our freewill allows us to influence and broaden "IT's" own sphere of possibilities. This means that we shape "IT" as much as "IT" shaped us.

I don't know if that made sense or if I just rambled but that's how I think of it. A lot of it is based on the philosophy of existentialist Soren Kierkegaard, except his view is that "IT" is the Christian God whereas I see it more as "That Being".

 

[hardboiled]

I tend to think of "IT" as being the collective mind of everything living. If that's the case then that would mean that we all need to know who we are before the greater being could know who it is. But this is problematic since I don't think that anyone could ever entirely be themselves. This is because I believe that we are all created from "IT" and therefore have a part of "IT" in each of us. This means that we are a mixture or a synthesis of both the eternal and the temporal and this conflict causes all of us to have an internal identity crisis.

That conflict is what causes a "self" to emerge. This "self" is the result of how one balances their own synthesis (freewill). So in a sense, we are the infinite possibilities of "IT's" mind, yet our freewill allows us to influence and broaden "IT's" own sphere of possibilities. This means that we shape "IT" as much as "IT" shaped us.

I don't know if that made sense or if I just rambled but that's how I think of it. A lot of it is based on the philosophy of existentialist Soren Kierkegaard, except his view is that "IT" is the Christian God whereas I see it more as "That Being".

Very fascinating way of looking/thinking about this phenomenon.8) Your ramble makes sense my friend. What that makes me wonder is has ˝IT˝ predicted that this would happen when it started this experiment or was this anomaly that was bound to happen with or without it's knowing. Can i ask how you came to this ˝idea˝ has it been related to you in your experiences directly or has it been a process that you went trough over time by integrating your experiences and pondering about them. Great thoughts my friend.8)

 

[hardboiled]

May i also add that in all my experiences of ˝IT˝ i felt this peculiar feeling of ˝machine˝?
Has anyone experienced something like this? I say machine since that was the feeling and in some parts sound to it. There was no actually machine there just the feeling of machine that is working with SOUND & LIGHT. Above posts triggered this on... so i thought i add this.8)

 

[satchelpack]

Very fascinating way of looking/thinking about this phenomenon.8) Your ramble makes sense my friend. What that makes me wonder is has ˝IT˝ predicted that this would happen when it started this experiment or was this anomaly that was bound to happen with or without it's knowing. Can i ask how you came to this ˝idea˝ has it been related to you in your experiences directly or has it been a process that you went trough over time by integrating your experiences and pondering about them. Great thoughts my friend.8)

I don't know what "IT" could have been doing/thinking/whatever, but I like to think that "IT" just wanted to know itself, which was the birth of self-consciousness. Through that exploration of itself, the universe, stars, planets, and all life were and are being created. So I personally don't think "IT" could have known because I feel like our living is in some way "IT's" current train of thought. The universe, and everything a part of it, is the realization of "IT". We are the universe realizing itself continuously. I think that "IT" wonders about "IT's" origins when and if we do, which led to the discovery of things like the big bang.

I've slowly been developing these ideas for a while now but it really clicked after reading "A Sickness Unto Death". I feel like I've struggled with the fact that no one knows anything for certain, especially about death, the afterlife, and religion, that I had to just accept it. Once I did I began to realize that it's not sad that people create their own lives, it's beautiful.

 

[hardboiled]

I don't know what "IT" could have been doing/thinking/whatever, but I like to think that "IT" just wanted to know itself, which was the birth of self-consciousness. Through that exploration of itself, the universe, stars, planets, and all life were and are being created. So I personally don't think "IT" could have known because I feel like our living is in some way "IT's" current train of thought. The universe, and everything a part of it, is the realization of "IT". We are the universe realizing itself continuously. I think that "IT" wonders about "IT's" origins when and if we do, which led to the discovery of things like the big bang.

I've slowly been developing these ideas for a while now but it really clicked after reading "A Sickness Unto Death". I feel like I've struggled with the fact that no one knows anything for certain, especially about death, the afterlife, and religion, that I had to just accept it. Once I did I began to realize that it's not sad that people create their own lives, it's beautiful.

Wonderful how fascinating ideas are going around. I have only began to appreciate this life and i'm in my 30. I can also agree with your statement that people create their lives and it's incredible and beautiful.

 

[guildnav]

I'm going to try to paraphrase some of the material I've been reading lately. We use the term All-that-is rather than "God" because we have a lot of conceptual baggage attached to the capital G God term.

All-that-is was aware it existed but unable to understand itself. It is a consciousness of unimaginable scale and capable of focusing in an infinite number of simultaneous ways. It existed in an uncomfortable state and focused on developing the inner understanding of it's nature. In a spark of brilliant creativity it splintered it's consciousness into "infinite" "small" pieces called consciousness units (CUs). Each CU is unique with it's own individual inclinations, leanings, preferences, and desires. Each is given freedom to expand, develop, and grow without imposed limits or limitations. Each is aware of it's existence. CUs do not take up space nor do they exist in time. Fundamentally they have no location. They are free to combine together to form gestalt patterns of consciousness according to their own inclinations. Each is inviolate and can never be destroyed or cease to exist.

Everything is comprised of these units. Matter, energy, and most importantly us. They are they material from which all consciousness and is formed. All patterns formed by CUs are also inviolate and eternal including ourselves.

This collaborative grouping of consciousness is fundamental. It's layered like a pyramid of sorts. We are comprised of multiple consciousness "patterns" and ourselves participate in larger groupings of consciousness. It's a cosmic pyramid scheme with all-that-is being the whole pyramid itself. All-that is, however, is more than the sum of it's parts.

All potentials, probabilities, and possibilities are explored. All experience is valid. All-that-is learns about itself through us or I might say that we comprise the psychological "body" of all-that-is along with everything else that exists in the spacious now. I like to say that when you look in a mirror god looks through your eyes back at himself. To god all names are his own.

--Guildnav