Whats your view?

[Travelling Spirit]

I think you into existence, you are nothing but a figment of my imagination. I am the reason for you reading this, I am the creator of your thoughts, I am the both the maker of your belief and disbelief. Everything you do is because of me, there is nothing you can do of your own will. You have no will, what you experience as free will and choice is an illusion that I have made. Rest assured that everything you have done, are doing and will do is part of my grand plan, so do not fear the future.

Do not worry about meaningless things, do not fear the unknown, do not mourn the dead as I have made it so. You purpose in life is to fill my desire of friendship, enmity, love, sorrow and all kinds of things you already know, because I have made it so. I live this life through you, and when your purpose has been fulfilled I will take your life back from you. Do not be afraid of when it will happen, only, live life to the fullest, what that entails you'll soon find out.

Until then, when your body has crumbled back into the earth, when the stars and planets have crumbled back into formless matter, and when all matter has reverted back into the source element and I have called it all back to me, be at peace my creation.

OR Ayahuasca the most powerful hallucinogen psychedelic has made me mad.

You decide.

 

[d-T-r]

Speak less ,See more, Listen closer

 

[Enoon]

Dear Traveling Spirit,

it is a common idea not only in the world of psychedelics that the subjective self cannot differentiate objective reality from subjective reality. In fact for the self there is no such thing as objective reality because it experiences everything subjectively. It is therefor quite easy to assume that objective reality doesn't exist at all and everything is just a creation of the subjective self. In that sense the subjective self makes itself into GOD, the creator or dreamer of the world it perceives. While probably no one can prove to you this is not so (at least I've never come across any good proof) there is no real value in this belief either IMO.

So what if you are the creator...? Do you know everything? Do you understand yourself and your creation REALLY so that you KNOW exactly what will happen next i.e. what you are willing the world to do? I will bet that the answer is no. If you did, you would probably be terribly bored anyway. So in effect even if you did create this dream, you created in such a way that you are not aware of the underlying forces (your will), that they are imperceptible to you, ineffable even, so that it seems almost as though the world were guided by chance...

Perhaps ayahuasca just inflated the awareness of the fact that you as a conscious being rely solely on your perceptions and that these are subject to a highly subjective process and thus you can never fully be certain of the fact that the world around you really exists beyond your imagination

Perhaps ayahuasca linked your consciousness and the consciousness of the all encompassing cosmic consciousness (should this exist) and you experienced this unique view of the world.

Perhaps in reality only you exist

Perhaps you are just delusional...

who knows. In the end you have to ask yourself what are the actual consequences of what you believe is true. IMO there are none. Whether it's a dream or not, whether you created it or not... IME it makes little difference in how you go about your life afterwards. So while musing about it is entertaining and certainly a nice activity for the brain... a definite answer to these questions is not really important.

 

[oden]

wow!
so you made me jump from a perfectly good airplane? did not see you at the drop zone!!
you made me stand on a tower 1700 ft off the ground hooked to steel for 16 hours? in the damm winter?
did not see you on the tower site? you! you! sent me up a tower 1500ft of the ground and then brought in
a thunder storm with hail that beat me and my friend silly!!!!!! WELL!! YOU OWE ME A DAMM BEER!!!..
use your powers better.lol

 

[dtrypt]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I made you think that you are the creator, it is part of my plan...

 

[Travelling Spirit]

Since you say I'm not the creator are you saying ayahuasca made me mad then? Thats what is making me think like this, so either it's my guiding angel to awaken me or a false prophet to deceive me.

 

[d-T-r]

Read Enoon's post again. I think it's a pretty spot-on answer.

You may indeed be the creator , but we all may also be creators. The universe is about co-creation.

I don't think Aya has made you mad, You have probably just absorbed more abstract information and 'data', than your mind can make sense of right now. but it's ok , so remember that.

Don't worry too much about trying to over analyze your experience at the moment, because it seems you may be getting caught up on abstract tangents which hold no 'ultimate' purpose, whether true or false.

In a week from now, and in 2 weeks from now, and in 4 weeks from now etc etc you will have shed more light on what your experience has taught and shown you and the implications of it will become much clearer.

I would maybe advise refraining from visiting Aya again, or indulging in excessive amounts of anything too mind-altering, until you feel crystal clear about the teachings you're currently processing and what 'steps' to take next. (if any)

The people on this forum will be happy to talk to you and offer opinions and thoughts which you might not have considered, so embrace it

 

[ChaoticMethod]

Since you say I'm not the creator are you saying ayahuasca made me mad then? Thats what is making me think like this, so either it's my guiding angel to awaken me or a false prophet to deceive me.

Ayahyasca, or any other psychedelic, is not a guiding angel or a false prophet. It's a medicine, a tool that opens some internal doors and let you read some information that is normally not available to you in your everyday conscious state. How you interpret that information is up to your conscious self, not the Ayahuasca.

As for the idea that you are the creator of all things... I would say that in some ways, I agree with you. The problem that I see here, is what you associate with the "I". If you define the "I" as your ego, your physical body or your personality, then I think you are making a huge mistake.

In truth, I believe you are indeed the creative energy responsible for the structure of the universe. But it is also the case that we ALL are, in substance, that creative force. Since the structure also produce the illusion of self, of division, you interpret your Ayahuasca experience as one that is experienced by your self, your ego. The fact is that if you go deeper into the rabbit hole, you will notice that there is no "I" anymore.

The "I" is merely a creation of our true being, the eternal void that moves the Great Everything.

...

Or I could be wrong...

 

[Shamasi Wiz]

During an ayahuasca session, I also came to the "realization" that I was everything and created my entire universe, which was a shocking and kind of heart-breaking thing, because it gave less meaning to all of the amazing influences in my life. But given time to revisit that state and think about it more, my ideas changed. I realize that as all-encompassing as that state of being felt, it was still only a small piece of the whole puzzle, and each and every being can experience that same thing through a different path and perspective.

That same night, I also experienced the most powerful, enlightening, connected, heavenly bliss that I could ever conceive of. I thought there was no way I could ever come down, because I had finally figured life out completely, and the rest of eternity was going to be a romp through heaven with everybody and everything. Obviously, I eventually did come back down to reality, and I was left with a clear thought about it all: The reason I had come to the conclusion that I was all of existence was because I was the only one who went into the journey. And the reason I couldn't stay in heaven permanently is because we're all connected, and the doors won't remain open until we're all ready to walk through them together. But that's perfect, because it wouldn't be complete if someone or something was left behind. That's my view, anyway. Perhaps more reflecting on it will help you understand more. But in my experience the reflection has made me realize that I understand much less than I had thought, so I have to keep growing and pushing myself to get where I'd like to be, but I know it's gonna be a fun journey. Best of luck on your travels. I'm sure you're headed some amazing places.

 

[corpus callosum]

I think Enoons' reply is really good.

To the OP- if you sincerely believe what you've posted initially, then how does your position account for the existence and sustenance of those individuals who are older than you and, therefore, existed before your birth? :idea: :?:

The mind-blowing insights one gains from psychedelics need reflecting on to integrate them in a fashion which improves your life, rather than leading to firm conclusions which can very rarely (if ever) be verified.Certainly with DMT, seeking to explain the experience can be a self-defeating enterprise.Ask the questions, but try to avoid answering them yourself definitively.

 

[BananaForeskin]

To the OP- if you sincerely believe what you've posted initially, then how does your position account for the existence and sustenance of those individuals who are older than you and, therefore, existed before your birth? :idea: :?:

Maybe it's because the OP is them, maybe they are the OP; mayhap the OP doesn't yet understand the world simply because part of the OP's brain hasn't discovered itself yet. Maybe the OP's body means nothing, the OP's consciousness is simply that creating force, temporarily cut off from the whole. Maybe that is true for all life.

I ask the OP-- is it not possible for you to be the creator of your own reality, AND be existing within an objective physical realm, at the same time? This is one of the paradoxes of the universe.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

You decide.

Seems slightly ironical, given the main thrust of the post...

 

[Tek]

I've liked this paradoxical statement:

"I'm a solipsist, and I'm surprised there aren't more of us."

Truth be told OP, I've had the same revelation as you. The only 'beef' I have with the way you put it is that, by coming to this understanding, you have to accept that fact that this is also true for everyone else, thus the 'I' in your original post isn't quite accurate in the way it's being received (but to your credit, there are few ways to language such a concept).

I've had these ravings before, went shooting off at the mouth to a good many people about my discovery, but then I came to another shocking revelation: if it's true that I'm the only god that actually exists, then who am I trying to convince of this fact? Who CAN I convince of this fact when I, god, already understand it? This is why its the greatest secret ever and why it is such a secret. Those who really understand it also realize that there isn't any way to make other people understand it, they MUST come to the discovery on their own. I mean, think about it, who are you talking to other than yourself?

It's as if we humans are god's body and god is fast asleep, dreaming about Earth. As he awakens to himself, parts of his body twitch and begin the awaken sooner than others. Consider yourself (as I have done), merely god's finger awakening from a nap. You realize, after all these adventures on Earth, that you were god the whole time just having a dream. In your excitement, you try to rouse the other parts of god's body, at varying stages of wakefulness and some still completely asleep. You poke the leg and say 'hey, wake up, I'm god', and the leg grumbles as it still is deep asleep. Then you poke the arm, and the arm moves a little, but doesn't respond more than that. Then you try to rouse your fellow fingers, and some of them wiggle and say dreamily 'mmmm... yes something is different we are waking up, but to what or whom we can't say', and you try to explain, but your finger friends are just not awake enough yet. What I'm trying to illustrate here is that EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING is a part of god, but not all parts of god are aware of this as of yet, you dig?

One would think that when all parts awaken to god, something unprecedented would happen, but that's my own personal musings .

I understand your excitement, and truth be told I don't have any problem at all with what you posted. Like the others here, I'm trying to give you perspective on your recent voyage. The 'god experience' is one that many of us have on this site and it truly is one of the most ego shattering and revelatory trips one can participate in. However, I do caution you about how you deliver your material. If this was an easy concept to understand, we wouldn't have a mountain of religious doctrines and institutions all claiming absolute authority over all things spiritual. The ones who REALLY get it, tend to keep quiet about it. You can't convert someone who is already god into being god. That's why those who attain enlightenment are often quick to say that they didn't attain anything at all. How do you attain that which you've always had? Everyone gets there at their own pace, as is part of the divine plan as I understand it.


I'll close with a little Alan Watts:
"God also likes to play hide-and-seek, but because there is nothing
outside God, he has no one but himself to play with. But he gets over
this difficulty by pretending that he is not himself. This is his way of
hiding from himself. He pretends that he is you and I and all the people
in the world, all the animals, all the plants, all the rocks, and all the
stars. In this way he has strange and wonderful adventures, some of
which are terrible and frightening. But these are just like bad dreams,
for when he wakes up they will disappear."

-The Book on the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are -

 

[smokerx]

so either it's my guiding angel to awaken me or a false prophet to deceive me.

you decide my friend but its very interesting and good that you question this.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Then of course...there's The Egg.

 

[Tek]

That same night, I also experienced the most powerful, enlightening, connected, heavenly bliss that I could ever conceive of. I thought there was no way I could ever come down, because I had finally figured life out completely, and the rest of eternity was going to be a romp through heaven with everybody and everything. Obviously, I eventually did come back down to reality, and I was left with a clear thought about it all: The reason I had come to the conclusion that I was all of existence was because I was the only one who went into the journey. And the reason I couldn't stay in heaven permanently is because we're all connected, and the doors won't remain open until we're all ready to walk through them together. But that's perfect, because it wouldn't be complete if someone or something was left behind. That's my view, anyway. Perhaps more reflecting on it will help you understand more. But in my experience the reflection has made me realize that I understand much less than I had thought, so I have to keep growing and pushing myself to get where I'd like to be, but I know it's gonna be a fun journey. Best of luck on your travels. I'm sure you're headed some amazing places.

After I re-read this part here of your post Shamasi, something profound clicked in me about the waiting for everyone so we can all go together. I believe it was a buddha (who's name I can't remember) who, upon attaining enlightenment declared that he would not ascend to nirvana until every sentient creature attained liberation. Also, Jesus gave a similar parable in the Bible: "What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off?

I've had a trip where I was convinced I didn't have to come back to Earth. It was an absolutely wonderful revelation... until I came down and sure enough was back on Earth, highly puzzled. It had never occured to me that perhaps liberation is an all-or-nothing deal. Very intriguing.

 

[smokerx]

Then of course...there's The Egg.

wow I did not read that one it is really great stuff

 

[d-T-r]

That same night, I also experienced the most powerful, enlightening, connected, heavenly bliss that I could ever conceive of. I thought there was no way I could ever come down, because I had finally figured life out completely, and the rest of eternity was going to be a romp through heaven with everybody and everything. Obviously, I eventually did come back down to reality, and I was left with a clear thought about it all: The reason I had come to the conclusion that I was all of existence was because I was the only one who went into the journey. And the reason I couldn't stay in heaven permanently is because we're all connected, and the doors won't remain open until we're all ready to walk through them together. But that's perfect, because it wouldn't be complete if someone or something was left behind. That's my view, anyway. Perhaps more reflecting on it will help you understand more. But in my experience the reflection has made me realize that I understand much less than I had thought, so I have to keep growing and pushing myself to get where I'd like to be, but I know it's gonna be a fun journey. Best of luck on your travels. I'm sure you're headed some amazing places.

After I re-read this part here of your post Shamasi, something profound clicked in me about the waiting for everyone so we can all go together. I believe it was a buddha (who's name I can't remember) who, upon attaining enlightenment declared that he would not ascend to nirvana until every sentient creature attained liberation. Also, Jesus gave a similar parable in the Bible: "What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off?

I've had a trip where I was convinced I didn't have to come back to Earth. It was an absolutely wonderful revelation... until I came down and sure enough was back on Earth, highly puzzled. It had never occured to me that perhaps liberation is an all-or-nothing deal. Very intriguing.

I had the exact same realization during a recent Psilohuasca journey.

It's quite beautiful. In liberating others will we truly liberate our selves.

When we realize there is no 'real' separation between us, in helping others and being of service in what ever way we can ( so long as it is for the 'greater good',) we're actually helping Ourselves

 

[Tek]

I just read the Egg thing too and it resonated with me on such a level, I'm a little shaky tbh.

I talk a lot about this entity I call Teo, whom I've speculated is a future version of myself in some impossible to understand, logic defying way. Well, I've 'went out' so far into hyperspace before that I've seen our entire universe look about the size of a marble, and very egg-like with these other four beings asking Teo if I was ready (which I wasn't I guess). When Teo brought me back to Earth (and as I was coming down), he communicated to me 'these are your first steps, you're baby steps'.

Wow, I have a lot of contemplating to do. Thanks for putting that snoz.

 

[DoctorMantus]

In my response, The only thing you are in control of is yourself, And no one else.

If you are have a great day, people around you will be perceived as very nice and greeting, and if its a shity horrible negative day, than people around are not going to seem so friendly.

Its all a perception, and do not worry you are not mad.