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Why DMT Scares Me

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Despite my first acid trip being over 25 years ago, and getting into plant medicine over 18 years ago, I’ve been feeling like I’m kind of at the start of my psychedelic/plant medicine journey (I guess it’s good to have a beginners mind).

With that said, I have noticed that I need very small doses to get strong effects, so maybe all the psychedelics I’ve taken over the years have had more of an impact than I’ve been giving them/myself credit for. At this point, conventional microdoses feel like low doses to me, and low doses feel more or less psychedelic. This seems like a pretty ordinary shift that can happen for people, over time, as reflected on this forum, and in this thread.
 
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I'm surprised no one has brought up the unmistakable sensation of the bladder and bowels emptying when far gone enough! Or maybe that's just me...
This has been a surprisingly frequent occurrence for me, at least in the sense of actual urinary urgency on completing a big inhale. Having to stagger off and relieve myself made for an interesting exercise in maintaining focus…

I'd be inclined to believe that tryptamine psychedelic are capable of a sudden, rapid, intense diuretic effect since this has also happened with mushrooms. It could of course be a matter of awareness, whereby attention previously having been focussed on the experience and preparations for it - mental aspects - suddenly becomes reattuned to the bodily signals.
 
I'd be inclined to believe that tryptamine psychedelic are capable of a sudden, rapid, intense diuretic effect since this has also happened with mushrooms.
I always thought that was a common occurrence, likely due to some receptor action. One definitely needs to make a solid judgment based on fluid intake before a session.
Still, it's better be safe than sorry, so I made sure to relieve myself, stumbling to do so under all possible conditions. A few times I almost forgot my location and my intended plan. As many know, I like to chant in my ceremonies, so I just mentally continued to chant to maintain focus and stay grounded. Going anywhere under a high dose of harmalas and dmt is certainly one hell of an adventure. Stay safe 🙏
 
I think Kraken might have been referring to this phenomena (false sensation of peeing while on a large dose). Happened to myself a handful of few times heh

Man, I don't even wanna think about that aspect of going super deep. The first few journeys I ever had caused me to generate the habit of visiting the porcelain throne before disembarking because I really thought that I was evacuating myself. Each time it's fine, but man, the real consideration to put on a diaper has not passed me by flippantly.

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Why DMT Scares me, what a perfect name for a thread. I can tell you....I just stepped back in from my patio where I do my thing. Tonight everything I thought about Dmt changed, I don't know what I did differently or what happened but tonight was the most intense experience I have ever had. I want to instinctually say that it was what I imagined dying might feel like. It was so intense and new in the sense that I have never felt anything like what just happened. I take notes and have a talk to text app just for trip reports nothing in my whole psychedelic experiences prepared me for what just happened. This thing that we are all here for and talk about has changed the way I think about all aspects of my life. I don't mean to ramble I have more detail but I will do it in an experience report.
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PS @Voidmatrix I thought of you when I started to cling to the edges of reality. I see folks have opinions about how much or how often. If I am thinking about you at the edge of reality your doing a fine job here sir.
Since OCT 14 I have stayed away until tonight. After getting over fears and anxiety I finally trusted myself and started off with smoking some harmaline and caapi together in my vaporizer and just that felt wild and its own thing. I swapped preloaded bowls and aded the DMT and WOW what a long insane ride. Felt close to god tonight. I went for 3 hours going back and forth. Explored quite a few places that I have been keeping off limits and feel free and proud for doing it. I am always amazed what can happen when you can overcome fear and really dig in and explore your own mind and being. Thank you all for your inspiration and leadership here on the forum but especially in this thread.
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Since OCT 14 I have stayed away until tonight. After getting over fears and anxiety I finally trusted myself and started off with smoking some harmaline and caapi together in my vaporizer and just that felt wild and its own thing. I swapped preloaded bowls and aded the DMT and WOW what a long insane ride. Felt close to god tonight. I went for 3 hours going back and forth. Explored quite a few places that I have been keeping off limits and feel free and proud for doing it. I am always amazed what can happen when you can overcome fear and really dig in and explore your own mind and being. Thank you all for your inspiration and leadership here on the forum but especially in this thread.
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Just smoking harmalas could be quite interesting. I really liked the buzz and clarity that they produced. Maybe I'll revisit this practice someday.
What you tell about fear hits close to home. Going past it opens everything up. Fear is like a natural gatekeeper that hides all the secrets and only allows the worthy ones.
I remember one changa session when I saw a grim reaper with a big scythe. He was there without any menace, cutting egos of anyone who came into his space. The amount of fear I felt was beyond belief. All I could do is feel that fear and accept the feeling. It became obvious that fear is a form of energy. You can ride that wave and end up much higher/deeper that way. Changa is one hell of a medicine, even if it's untraditional. We'll make it into a tradition...
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PRE-CONDITIONS
(mind)Set: Actually, very fine.
(physical condition) Set: Fit and healthy
Setting (location): My room at my altar.
time of day: Early evening. 1730
recent drug use: Cannabis earlier in the day, was on my microdose, harmalas 15min prior to changa.
last meal: Jumbalaya- 1630

PARTICIPANT
Gender: M
body weight: 63.5kg
known sensitivities: Sensory Processing Sensitivity
history of use: Seasoned (15 years)

BIOASSAY
Substance(s): Cannabis with 30mg+ harmine layered in between. Several minute hits from changa pipe
Dose(s): 30mg+ harmalas, one bowl cannabis (GMO), changa blend is 1:1:.3 (or 3:3:1)
Method of administration: SMOALKED


EFFECTS
Administration time: Harmalas: 1730 Changa: Approx. 1745
Duration: 40min


Intensity (overall): 2.5
Evaluation / notes: I need to do this more often :twisted:

OPTIONAL
Pleasantness: 3
Implesantness: 1 (headache)
Visual Intensity: 1
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AFTER-EFFECTS
Hangover: 0
Afterglow: 4, feeling elevated, centered, whole


REPORT


I unfortunately didn't get the chance to proof-read this, but wanted to share it.

I really should be working on my treatise if I want to be serious about it, but... here we are.

I've spoken about my fear of DMT, despite my frequency of low level experience, but never really why. I've certainly broken through my fair share of times. But the idea at this point and for the past few years tends to send me into feelings of sheer terror, despite having managed past experiences so well (hence why I keep coming back for more).

One thing I haven't mentioned in the past with regard to my anxiety, partly because I do find it a little embarrassing, is that when my anxiety reaches a certain point I experience tremors where my extremities in particular begin shaking. This happens when I'm trying to hit a heavy dose, making hitting said heavy dose a great deal more difficult.

I had slight tremors tonight.

Sandwiching 30mg+ of harmine between cannabis layers, I sat at my altar, playing the song (Dorje Ling) that I have chosen as my meditation song for months now. In full-lotus, I took several deep breaths, and opened my sacred space. After welcoming and thanking the cannabis and harmine extracted from rue for their presence in my meditation, I proceeded to smoalk the bowl from my “ritual bong.” Noticing my thoughts straying from the present moment, I calmly and gently redirected my awareness to the glass piece in my left hand and the experience of smoalking these medicinal and centering substances.

Harmalas help me to get to where I'm going in meditation and are very fulfilling to explore for me. Some may say I'm cheating when I use such a supplement (I don't smoalk them every time I meditate; and while I've always found meditation difficult in the long time I've practiced, harmalas are a welcome change), since they enforce a meditative state, but I really don't care :lol:

I suppose one thing that has always helped, for good reasons and bad, is that some of my first and most intense break-throughs have been with other people around. The positives to this is mainly the element of felt support. It's psychological. A negative is having the idea of not wanting to look like a chump in front of spectators. That's hubris. Granted, this was also around 15 years ago when I was a second-year student in college. I tend to only smoalk DMT alone now, as the times and tides change and I don't really know anyone in my immediate vicinity that I would like to journey with outside of a guide-work setting and intention.

Meditating, calmly, balanced and steadfast, I moved in flux between states of simply being to corrective thinking, to philosophic musing, to exploratory thought, to interacting with what slight visuals I was experiencing. I was suspended in my analyses; without judgment, only varying degrees of interest. Observational and indifferent.

The first experience delivered some insights to me about me that to this day I'm still so uncomfortable with. What's funny, is they weren't necessarily bad... So I ended up doing it two more times the same night, either to get a retraction or to receive understanding. Probably why I was so utterly “thrown” in the third experience (somehow being in the experience for over 50 minutes (according to a friend at least)). I recall coming back, with my face in my friend's chest while we were laying on my bed, me asking why the hell he was holding me, him telling me that I asked him to because I thought I was dying, realizing I was back in my meat-suit, in shock by the world I returned to, then running to the bathroom to vomit from my sense of shock. And this wasn't even what some may call a hyperslap.

So indifferent in fact, that while reflecting on how my mind magnifies things a great deal more than is necessary, and thinking about specific instances in which something was not that hard or was more of a success than my mind would allow me to think it could be, I also began reflecting on the sort of “**** it” mentality that I have felt is necessary to adopt in the past few weeks. This sent chills down my spine immediately, as my “rocket” (mod with Divine Tribe V4 Crucible that always has at least 10mg of DMT in it).

The fifth time was the closest thing that I've ever come to a hyperslap wherein one feels they are being punished. It's what I get since “she” told me to hold off and I went back again anyway, around 20 minutes later, because I “didn't want to waste it” after sending others off and there still being some in the bowl. This precipitated a 6 year hiatus. To be fair, I also couldn't find it again in that time, and didn't realize that I could extract it (both in the sense of the process being accessible to a layman and the sense of my confidence in myself to do so).

I instead grabbed my changa pipe, which is always loaded, even with something that I started smoalking at some point in the past (I rarely finish a whole bowl in one sitting). I've taken my usual hits while already dosed on harmalas, both smoalked and drank/oral, and go waaaaaayyyyyyy further. It's also a bit more to manage, especially with the added harmala component. So, I took several very very small hits until I reached the level I was comfortable with. Visuals were ever so slight, but much more apparent and “obvious” than the harmalas alone; I was seeing the “other side” even if not vividly.
It was the inspiration to write this.

When I did come across it again, things were great for a while. But as I began working with it more, things began to change. While my relationship and bond deepened, the depths that I'd go comfortably became shallower. It simply became “harder to handle.” It also keeps getting weirder. While they [these experiences] are of the utmost value to me and my mind, thinking, and being (well then what the hell was the “me” then, right?), it's come to a point that with that depth of experience I can't tell you how or why it's valuable to me. The reason is ineffable.

I've experienced energetic discharge before, but never like tonight. It began as it usually does; full body and a great deal of shaking in the arms and shoulders. I always allow it to run its course without preference or judgment, being aware that it is a healing action that my body is taking through it's input with my psychological flow with their mind-body connection; it's healing. But the healing was almost violent tonight. Breathing deeply, steadying myself in the moment and movement, I allowed it to reach its apex, being somewhat winded and out of breath by the end, by staying with my breath through the entirety of the discharge period.

It's all in the breath.

This is kind of why when I do break-through now, it's by surprise and accident, and typically I end up thinking “uh, oh.” It doesn't help that my sensitivity (which is already high) seems to have increased, with breakthroughs occurring between 10mg and 15mg (last time I did 10mg was a lot more than I anticipated). There was also a long period where my experiences were on the darker side, which I find takes more mindfulness and will-power to navigate and integrate thereafter. Then there are those that give an ominous vibe in weird ways, but are completely fine and enjoyable (still kinda kicking myself for inadvertently casting judgment on entities that I mischaraterized until they imparted me with gifts; they scared me at first). Granted, while I used to eat around 7g of mushrooms every time (because I didn't know any better the first time and just kept going from there), a gram intimidates me now depending on the strain. A lot of this difficulty can be attributed to my constant battle and management of depression. It has a way of enjoying influencing me to avoid that which I enjoy, like, love, what's beneficial, therapeutic, etc; endogenous brainwashing.

Blissfully floating on a sea of awareness (but not listening to the actual song), I rode out the rest of the experience allowing myself the feeling goodness and healing, and being aware that it was a gift to myself that I am deserving of.

While I've been getting much more comfortable approaching DMT, and am releasing some of my “standards of justification” (such as allowing myself to go far enough to see something; why I can't allow myself this is beyond me aside from what's already been shared; I'm neurotic), I'm still not quite there to send myself the distance. However, I have taken a step in that direction by NOT JUDGING MYSELF FOR WHERE I AM NOW. It's all good. Truly. I know what I'd like, but where I am is also satisfactory. :love:

Thank you for reading. I hope you enjoyed.

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Since OCT 14 I have stayed away until tonight. After getting over fears and anxiety I finally trusted myself and started off with smoking some harmaline and caapi together in my vaporizer and just that felt wild and its own thing. I swapped preloaded bowls and aded the DMT and WOW what a long insane ride. Felt close to god tonight. I went for 3 hours going back and forth. Explored quite a few places that I have been keeping off limits and feel free and proud for doing it. I am always amazed what can happen when you can overcome fear and really dig in and explore your own mind and being. Thank you all for your inspiration and leadership here on the forum but especially in this thread.
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I have bad anxiety and I deal with depression as well. I'm hard on myself sometimes and I beat myself up mentally. Idk why? Before DMt I was super uptight, always worried about what people thought of me, worried about bills, money, so called friends , women, u name it. My friend tried forever to blast me off but I said I couldn't handle psychedelics anymore .As a teenager I did a lot of drugs. Mainly weed, acid, shrooms, and the bad ones like coke and meth. I've been to prison 2 times and I believe I have PTSD from it. Long story short I eventually gave in and he facilitated it I must have taken for large hits and I can't describe what happened but basically my whole life flash before my eyes and I went to a light but didn't make it all the way. As I came to it was like me and my buddy were one and I cried and told him thank u. I couldn't believe what I had just experienced. I see things totally different now. But sometimes I get depressed and my anxiety gets bad. That's when I know it's time to take care of business although I am very scared because it makes my anxiety five times worse I know that it's fixing it. It's intense I cry but afterwards it's like a turn away was lifted off my shoulders. I fell in love instantly and I'm all about helping other people. Although I stay with it, it scares me every time I do it. Hopefully one day that feeling will go away. So I know how you feel brother. You're not alone. 🫶
 
Nov 17... sometimes I think we should rename this thread to Yat's parachuting in to reality thread, this is where I find myself processing the latest download. I Am having a hard time putting into words how different tonight was. I had the normal pre flight jitters and then got two hits in and tore my earbuds out and just sat with the ugly hard thoughts and light visions I was having. ~ 10 minutes passed and instead of calling it a bad trip I turned up the heat setting and took the longest deepest hit I could and Bam Home Run. Saw some things that were new and unlike any other experience that I can remember. What an interesting molecule. it has the ability to change your understanding of reality in two hits.
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Nov 17... sometimes I think we should rename this thread to Yat's parachuting in to reality thread, this is where I find myself processing the latest download. I Am having a hard time putting into words how different tonight was. I had the normal pre flight jitters and then got two hits in and tore my earbuds out and just sat with the ugly hard thoughts and light visions I was having. ~ 10 minutes passed and instead of calling it a bad trip I turned up the heat setting and took the longest deepest hit I could and Bam Home Run. Saw some things that were new and unlike any other experience that I can remember. What an interesting molecule. it has the ability to change your understanding of reality in two hits.
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There are no bad trips; they exist only in our minds. Some experiences are just hard and out there. Confronting your shadow shouldn't be considered bad, either.
And, as you did, just take more and let the psyche rebalance itself. I'm against just leaving it be after some horrific show. You need a balanced system afterward.
All of it is a matter of skill and courage, honestly. I am glad that you're moving along.

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I had the normal pre flight jitters and then got two hits in and tore my earbuds out and just sat with the ugly hard thoughts and light visions I was having.
There are many people who say or feel that the levels below a breakthrough are actually more challenging and uncomfortable for them. I know this experience that you're describing very well, where one is mauled and flipped inside out by certain thoughts on certain topics and sometimes getting trapped in thought loops around said topics. For me, I just wonder if it's the masochist in me and, aside from other factors, is another reason that I haven't been diving deeper. What's funny is that if it expected, paradoxically, for lighter experiences to be harder in their own ways, then I am still going hard to a certain extent.

Saw some things that were new and unlike any other experience that I can remember. What an interesting molecule. it has the ability to change your understanding of reality in two hits.
Have I mentioned that it changes and gets weirder over time? At least for some it seems to. And also, like I've always said, the spice always has something new to show you.

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There are many people who say or feel that the levels below a breakthrough are actually more challenging and uncomfortable for them. I know this experience that you're describing very well, where one is mauled and flipped inside out by certain thoughts on certain topics and sometimes getting trapped in thought loops around said topics. For me, I just wonder if it's the masochist in me and, aside from other factors, is another reason that I haven't been diving deeper. What's funny is that if it expected, paradoxically, for lighter experiences to be harder in their own ways, then I am still going hard to a certain extent.
I relate to this a lot. Many times I simply redosed just to get past that uncomfortable stage. I'd agree that it could be more challenging than higher doses. During one experience, I was stuck in a very high state with my ego still perfectly intact, and it was its own kind of challenge. Sometimes one gets too far out, too. I feel one needs to aim for a balanced state after the session. It's fine not to do it if you're in a circle of work and aiming to go deep in that particular session. At this point, I'm too old and tired of shaky, ungrounded states afterward, especially since I saw that it can be avoided and is not really needed. Stay safe, stay grounded 🙏
 
There are no bad trips; they exist only in our minds. Some experiences are just hard and out there. Confronting your shadow shouldn't be considered bad, either.
And, as you did, just take more and let the psyche rebalance itself. I'm against just leaving it be after some horrific show. You need a balanced system afterward.
All of it is a matter of skill and courage, honestly. I am glad that you're moving along.
That is how it felt, it did balance out. I was intuitive as well I think the impulse to stop the session is something that with experience and time that I have been able to navigate away from. Thank you for the input.

There are many people who say or feel that the levels below a breakthrough are actually more challenging and uncomfortable for them. I know this experience that you're describing very well, where one is mauled and flipped inside out by certain thoughts on certain topics and sometimes getting trapped in thought loops around said topics. For me, I just wonder if it's the masochist in me and, aside from other factors, is another reason that I haven't been diving deeper. What's funny is that if it expected, paradoxically, for lighter experiences to be harder in their own ways, then I am still going hard to a certain extent.


Have I mentioned that it changes and gets weirder over time? At least for some it seems to. And also, like I've always said, the spice always has something new to show you.

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For sure more challenging but I really had no expectations last night just went out and sat in the quiet and went with my intuition. I did sit with some ugly family of origin thought loops and anger. That subsided and the session progressed into a new area that I had never experienced before, different but when I collected myself I was back sitting on my cushion with the same bit of tears that mark a good hard trip.
 
Executive decision (my second of the day): if I'm playing/working with freebase, always load at least 15mg.

I've been dilly-dallying just under that because I don't know what ima going to get, though I'm confident when that dose is vaped effectively, I'll really be in it. At the same time, I'm pretty ready, and feel good about it. If we're gonna do it, then do it. That's where we are.

Just putting it out there. I went for it today. I thought I got everything in the bowl, but didn't, so it could've been deeper, but as always, in some ways, it's really about the attempt.

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Yes, yes, yes! This is what I've been waiting for this whole time. A felt sense. A liminal realization. There's no question. Not even the space for the consideration.

Not a lot happened, because I burned some, but what did happen was I was firm and comfortable in the decision. Completely open and ready to fall in and surrender. It's like a flow state.

Now to explore and figure out how to bring it into greater coherence and make it native to my thought function.

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I was terrified of DMT after quite a few trips I took in my early days. Switching to changa fixed everything. It is more ayahuasca-like it feels more natural and lovely.
Oh, trust me, I smoalk changa too, perhaps even more than I do just DMT. I still deal with a lot of the same stuff around fear. More and more, it's becoming okay.

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