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Why I should or shouldn't try datura stramonium seed as an admixture?

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Tmcgee

Tmcgee

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I was thinking of adding datura to my ayahuasca experiences, anyone have experience? I'm a little tentative because i understand the risks, but it seems safe enough if done properly.
 
Tmcgee said:
but it seems safe enough if done properly.
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What do you see as 'done properly'?

Too much and you can have a tropane delirium which is very dangerous and often leads to either the hospital, jail or death.

So please let us know what you think what 'done properly' is and what your ayahuasca admixture will contain. And also why you want to add the datura to your admixture, did you try without datura before already?


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
Im probably thinking about 3 but i would do it alone without the aya first. and yes i've done it without the datura.
 
Tmcgee said:
Im probably thinking about 3 but i would do it alone without the aya first. and yes i've done it without the datura.
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Could you expand on this some? Your single-line posts don't say much...

1) What is 'done properly'? You did not answer The Traveler on this one.
2) Have you taken datura by itself? If so, what was the experience like and what dose?
3) What reason do you have for adding it to the mix? That is, why are you adding it?
4) What makes you think it's 'safe enough' and will you have a sitter?

Thank you.
 
the issue with datura is that the seeds contain random amounts of strength, personally i wouldnt touch datura with a ten foot pole as i know quite a few people who have wound up in the hospital from taking the seeds if you are hell bent on having datura in your ayahuasca i would suggest starting with the leaves, which are far less potent. datura is a delirient which is just going to increase the nausea and uncomfortable feelings, i have had friends who describe it like having a really horrible fever. i would stay away from it but it is your trip and as long as you have a sitter you should be fine but YOU SERIOUSLY NEED A SITTER people wander off on datura frequently.
 
Im definitely not looking for delirium but anti nausea and a little synergy. From what ive read most delirium comes from taking a high dose.

I'm merely considering it because ive heard good things about low doses, but if there is actually no benefit then i don't want to do it. Im just looking for some insight because everything i've read is either a high dose with bad side effects or a low dose with no effects, but ive heard that it helps with nausia at a low dose. Not a lot of information in regards to admixtures unless i just overlooked it.
I always have a sitter for reassurance.
 
Tmcgee said:
Im definitely not looking for delirium but anti nausea and a little synergy. From what ive read most delirium comes from taking a high dose.

I'm merely considering it because ive heard good things about low doses, but if there is actually no benefit then i don't want to do it. Im just looking for some insight because everything i've read is either a high dose with bad side effects or a low dose with no effects, but ive heard that it helps with nausia at a low dose. Not a lot of information in regards to admixtures unless i just overlooked it.
I always have a sitter for reassurance.
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Thank you for clarifying and it seems you have the best intentions.

From what I understood the seeds are the most 'reliable' dosing parts of datura: as in the dose per seed will be near the average and even huge seeds will not contain that much more than the average one.

Adding three datura seeds to your admixture is highly unlikely to cause any bad tropane side effects. It might help a bit with the nausea but in my experience I could not feel the difference with adding three datura seeds to my admixture or not. However that was my experience and yours might be different.

Good luck with your journey and I hope you get the best out of it.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
The Traveler said:
From what I understood the seeds are the most 'reliable' dosing parts of datura: as in the dose per seed will be near the average and even huge seeds will not contain that much more than the average one.
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Just to add a bit of advice since I too suffer from nausea and utilize datura for this one purpose alone: To increase dose reliability take a large batch of seeds and grind them together in a mortar and pestle. Then, weigh out your desired dose. 5 seeds is good for me and therefore I consume the powder weight of 5 seeds. Combining them all together evens out the potency.

Working with just a few seeds for nausea is a safe and effective use of datura. Just make sure you dose accurately. I do not add them to my admixture itself but instead consume them about an hour before the aya. This works well for me.

Cheers.

P.S. - I should add that I do not do this anymore since requesting Zofran (ondansetron) from my MD. It is much more reliable.
 
Would you say its worth it. should I bother buying the seeds, or should I just keep doing it without it. I like to experiment but if it barely makes a difference who cares.
 
As far as datura's psychoactive effects beyond nausea control, the margin between threshold, delirium, and death are razor thin. This is a good reason to not, in my opinion.
 
start low, and slowly work your way up.

if you play with fire you just might burn yourself.. but not necessarily so if you err on the side of caution.

some use it to success, but it is not recommended to the average bear (for obvious reasons).

if you work with it cautiously and respectfully, i see no reason not to experiment with it a bit.

nobody will know how well it works for you but you. but most predictions aren't entirely optimistic (not to scare you off).
 
ok so I now have the option of trying .125 mg hyoscyamine pills. What dosage would be recommended? i'm having trouble finding good information. I'm thinking one should be enough but want to know if maybe I would need two.

Also Are these going to make my pupils dilated for a long period of time?-- more than 4-6 hours.

Is it uncomfortable no matter the dosage like Benadryl or does it feel good if you keep it low?

I don't want to mar my experience with annoying side effects.

Eye blurring, is this a problem if I keep it low?

I think I might be talking myself out of it at this point.

If its worth it somebody let me know. otherwise im scrapping this experiment.
 
Tmcgee said:
ok so I now have the option of trying .125 mg hyoscyamine pills. What dosage would be recommended? i'm having trouble finding good information. I'm thinking one should be enough but want to know if maybe I would need two.

Also Are these going to make my pupils dilated for a long period of time?-- more than 4-6 hours.

Is it uncomfortable no matter the dosage like Benadryl or does it feel good if you keep it low?

I don't want to mar my experience with annoying side effects.

Eye blurring, is this a problem if I keep it low?

I think I might be talking myself out of it at this point.

If its worth it somebody let me know. otherwise im scrapping this experiment.
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I take that medication almost daily for IBS. I take two at a time and do not have any problems, have taken three before at a time as well. You shouldnt really have an issue with it, just try it before taking any other substances incase it has bad interactions with you. That way its not coupled with the effects of whatever substance you took.

Edit: Remember to let it disolve under the tongue as well, its not something you swallow. Although it wouldnt do any harm to swallow it, just doesnt work very well that way.
 
some time ago, my friend took some shrooms and went for a walk. in that state of mind he found a datura plant (inoxia). some days later he dreamt with this plant, he said that in his dream he could smell the flower and it was the best perfume he had felt in his life (very vivid dream). next day he goes back to were he found the plant just to realize that someone had torn it, and burnt it. luckily, he could save two pods full of seeds. he is afraid of these seeds, nonetheless, the other night he ate one before going to sleep and talked (mumble) all night while sleeping (according to his partner), but he doesn´t remember a shit. the thing is that he feels a call, but he is afraid were that may lead him.
he would appreciate some opinions and suggestions. thank you very much.
 
To anyone considering this...

If you are going to hurl you are going to hurl, datura alkaloids will not help, much. Also, dry mouth while tripping is not fun.

Will it make visuals stronger? Sure, if you want to see creepy monsters.

Not worth it, I have learned to embrace the purge. Also being versed in preparation methods will eliminate most nausea problems, the kind where you don't trip and just hurl, I mean don't get me wrong this shit is going to bug your tummy.

peace.
 
syberdelic said:
which alkaloids are you using? If it's hyoscyamine, that is more of an antispasmodic than anti-nausea. scopolamine although MIGHT help as it is an anticholinergic as well as anti-spasmodic.
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Hey syberdelic, good to see you here. I've been following this thread and this where lemon EO are discussed.
One comment I have is the use of Ginger which you recently brought up here. According to this it can interact with the 5-HT3 receptors like you have mentioned. I can confirm from my experience that for strong Syrian Rue + Mushroom trips, ginger helps a lot with nausea to the point where it is gone, a pretty strong effect. I have to say that I don't use ginger alone but combine it with chamomile and/or a mint plant I grow (which may really be peppermint). Also, I grow the ginger and it is "minutes" fresh.
Maybe the same herbs can help here? I've only done aya once, a basic rue/AC mix with a purge and a strong experience. Next time I do it I'll add ginger and chamomile and peppermint to see if there is a difference in nausea. Cheers and thanks for all your other posts.
 
Kervork could you elaborate on your experience at all?

Why did u decide to use this tea in the first place and what happened?
 
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