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Why you should NOT take DMT

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xss27 said:
Finally, DMT is a mental vision, a projection. So is the ‘real’ world. Truth is where you are, now. You don’t need to ingest anything to find the answer.
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Great response man! (Didn't quote the entire thing due to not wanting to push any extra data into a DB field).

I have had to walk away for a bit, to ground properly, very rarely touching anymore more than changa and even then only "sub breakthrough" time with the atman and then 6-12 months apart aya experiences out of country.

I think DMT has a pull attached to it, unlike any other psychedelic (maybe 5 meo has the same allure). It seems to draw out the "Kid at Disney" feelings. The magic does seem to pull people in unhealthy directions and makes people forget the law as well a lot of the time (well it pushes those concerns to an improper place, to the background rather than the forefront).

(Terrence, quoting leary who said he didn't say it) "LSD is the drug that causes psychotic breaks in people who never took it". I feel like this is moreso with DMT.

It seems like you have your head on straight. You will make a good addition to the nexus community. :) Welcome as well.
 
I think the problem is that not everybody should smoke DMT. The problem with "egocentric" narcistic or even "psychopatic" behaviour is that these "mind"sets dont know autoevaluation cause they are,in their point of view, the center of all references and meausures.They think they are the "golden ratio". You cannot discuss really with those "mindsets". And as you cannot except a real personal, or even spiritual developement,it make no sense to use a strong psychodelic, the experience would lead to total deamonic selfconfrontation, with more hate and fear as result OR it would lead to a more egocentric and maniac state of mind.
Remeber the movie Blueberry, the "bad" guy, isnt capable of insight, just wants to gain power through the shamanic experience, and he DIES, because he cannot let go of his deamons.
In the words of CarlGustav JUNG: "Sometimes the state of illness is safer for the patient than the cure"
 
Great post and replies. I have this to add:

DMT can be mind shattering etc. But don't underestimate the ability of a brain (free from psychological /neurological complications) to restore from an ego shattering experience. Might take some time depending on the intensity, but in the end status quo is achieved again. The brains main function is maintaining equilibrium, a task it has mastered in many ways. A mind shattering DMT experience is not enough to forever disrupt the default network of a healthy person.

This is the reason that short lived forceful experiences induced by external substances are regarded as inferior compared to the long path of self improvement through for example meditation. It is also the reason that the LSD revolution didn't work as well as expected and why Strassman stated in DMT The Spirit Molecule that he was surprised about how people seemed to forget the powerful insights they experienced and went back to their usual (thinking) habits as time passed.

This self-preservation hard to break learned patterns mechanism of the mind is a good thing. It protects the integrity of your identity, which is one of your organisms primary survival functions in life. Unless your have psychological complications, I wouldn't worry about DMT screwing up your red pill world view forever, separating yourself from the blue pill people. If this happens, it's either a relatively short lived state of mind from an intense experience, or a longer lived one through frequent use. Stop for 2 years and see what happens..

Conclusion: you shouldn't take DMT lightly, but lets not over praise its power either.

And let's separate the oral route of ayahuasca from smoking. Using the first one can gradually build up the intensity over the years.
 
Ive tried a multitude of psychedelics so far but ive yet to find dmt and i kinda think its for that reason exactly. I went through a long stretch where i basically got obsessed with unfathomable things(existence,death,reality...) While taking lots of lsd and dxm. It slowly made me start losing focus on the other important things in my life. If i would have had dmt at that point in my life it probably would have set me over the edge. Over time i started to calm down and just let things be what they are. Ignorance is bliss. To this day i still have never found dmt and never had a breakthrough that matched the strength of salvia. I like to think dmt will present itself when im ready now. So until then..... I wait patiently.
 
Achilles said:
Ive tried a multitude of psychedelics so far but ive yet to find dmt and i kinda think its for that reason exactly. I went through a long stretch where i basically got obsessed with unfathomable things(existence,death,reality...) While taking lots of lsd and dxm. It slowly made me start losing focus on the other important things in my life. If i would have had dmt at that point in my life it probably would have set me over the edge. Over time i started to calm down and just let things be what they are. Ignorance is bliss. To this day i still have never found dmt and never had a breakthrough that matched the strength of salvia. I like to think dmt will present itself when im ready now. So until then..... I wait patiently.
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Why not extract your own?
 
Whoever plans on experiencing with higher doses ( I had a 4 hour long "trip" ) :
The most surprising and scary thing is the shattering of your reality, especially if you're a skeptical person and don't believe in anything without physical evidence or some kind of proof. It will definitely make you think & believe.
It's a crazy feeling when you've lived all your life and clinged on to the fact that reality is "real" and everything just exists inside it and nothing could ever happen outside of it, and then you're presented with something that breaks that limit and it just overwhelms you, you start to question what is ACTUALLY real because you are feeling other "realities" and they seem just as if not MORE real than your previous idea/setting of reality.
Things that you otherwise thought were impossible and unimaginable start happening right in front of you, as if it were happening when you were "sober" & it's a different kind of feeling, it's not like alcohol or most marijuana where u can still tell that you're just kind of high or drunk and everything's just amplified and nothing out of the ordinary is happening, it's a complete "sober" experience of unimaginable things that don't go by the laws of this world and it's just unveiling in front of you, and you can use all five senses to acknowledge those things, you can see, smell, hear, taste & physically FEEL those things and they're REAL. That's what makes you question if everything you see in the "real" world is just a narrow projection of your brain and with alterations to your mind (DMT?) you can create or shift into other "realities". If the five senses were your some kind of "proof" that what is happening is real than you start to question that, it's no longer an indicator of reality and it makes you feel like you're going fucking crazy.
My conclusion Is that we're "locked" & "programmed" to believe that our reality is the real deal for us for some reason, maybe even for our own good. DMT is essentially what breaks that barrier and lets us see the full(?) picture for a little while.
So if you are a stubborn & close minded person who thinks that you know everything about this world and that "everything can be explained by science" get ready to be proven wrong... by yourself
 
Hi Infpwnz, most people here know exactly what you mean, especially the MORE true aspect, the higher resolution. It's baffling.

Infpwnz said:
...So if you are a stubborn & close minded person who thinks that you know everything about this world and that "everything can be explained by science" get ready to be proven wrong... by yourself
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I advocate to stop thinking in terms of science versus something else. Because if you dare science to prove something what they say, they might just do that and load you with things you cannot understand to begin with. Watch out what you ask for!

On the other hand why would science never be able to catch up? Maybe they do, later. And there are people working on it to find correlations between the experiences and measurements. It's going to be tough and maybe fail, but they're working on it nonetheless. Science is not the enemy to drown somehow because you had an experience.

What I concur with is that the experience is felt as utter real, all of it, otherwise we could not experience it. But at the same time I'm convinced that experiences are also just that, experiences and no more, I mean there are a ton of contradicting experiences, you'll make a poor stance bringing those on the table as proof.

If the experience is proving something to me, than it is the embracing of contradictions and the stopping of certainties. And I think you're wrong about science thinking narrow, it's wide open to accept contradictions and they work with it as such (e.g. the wave-particle stuff). Albert Einstein had trouble going that route of probability (vs full determinism), he resisted heavily and fierce, but he had to give in to more modern forms of science that embrace uncertainties and probabilities very much. You see it is willing to adapt if things can be brought on the table. I think science is asking for any prove of hyperspace and the ball is in your/our camp to deliver. How would you start doing that? Tbh I have no idea how to do that.

OOps off topic, sorry :oops: but you got me into it ;)
 
I actually agree with your point Jees
I used the wrong term, I should've not said science. what i meant is "your belief" vs something else.
I am open to the idea that all of this can be explained by science in the future but it still doesn't make it any less amazing for me. I wanted to warn the kind of people who are not open to accepting that things might be totally different to what they seem, because with todays scientific knowledge for an average Joe what you experience with DMT kind of seems absurd, so a lot of people might not be able to cope with such an experience. Basically, you have to be open to the fact that what we know about this world and the current "proven facts" in science and what we consider "undeniable truths" are actually completely false.
I definitely did NOT have this kind of "accepting" mindset and that's why the experience was so devastating for me in a way. I feel the need to warn people not to make the same "mistake" as i did and just accept & embrace the endless possibilities of the world.
 
Thanks for explaining Infpwnz, I now see better how you fitted it in this thread.

I agree that hard minded people might be benefiting form extra care integrating the experience afterwards. And if the possibilities for serious integration are absent, than it is indeed a good advise to not-just-take-it-on-a-whim and wait until there's enough time and circumstances to deal with a mind and soul shaking experiment.

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Awesome post!

When it comes to taking DMT, I’ve always been the kind of person who had to try it for himself (no matter how many warnings were given). But now after taking it, I advise against it if I feel the person wanting to try it is not in the right frame of mind. In reality, there’s really no right way to prepare for what will unfold. For someone like me, who didn’t even break through yet, floating in the space after the 2nd hit, all I know is that I still know absolutely nothing. The spirit molecule played with my ego death, and made me respect it, an unforgettable introduction.

I’m certain that when I do break through, that any expectations I could’ve ever conjured up will be utterly and completely blown away.
 
I would like to make the common comparison to space travel, but in a different manner. It's like space travel in the sense of, while most Astronauts certainly have fun doing it, Not everyone is cut out to be an Astronaut lol. Just ballpark guesstimating, I would say 40% of people arent going to have what they describe as a "positive experience" if they were launched into orbit via rocket propulsion. 10% of people would probably consider it specifically a "negative" experience, and then theres the .01% of people that are going to be measurably traumatized for the rest of their lives from it. HOWEVER NASA screens astronauts and Vendors sell indiscriminately. Theres FAR less of a chance that an Astronaut isnt prepared or aware of what they're in for than your average first time DMT smoker. I took Ambien about 30 mins ago so I apologize preemptively if this comment doesnt make as much sense as I think it does or contains any racial slurs. Peace and love and cheers and stuff.

-IamFart
 
I'm yet to try DMT, I've already tried many psychedelics but DMT is my final goal. After this my psychedelic journey will be complete. I'm guy who thinks drugs shouldn't be taken at all in perfect world, but I'm just curious of how it works.
 
Visty said:
Excellent post and advice. After a year of triweekly mushroom sessions I can tell you, your perception of reality does change. It is a hidden process. It has lead me to question even more than I already did. This sort of stuff is not to be taken lightly. But I have found I can take it on.

One thing it did for me is provide me with a new way of describing ideas. My ability to express myself has improved. I am much more empathic. I feel less...violent...in some ways. My girlfriend tells me I am more ...mellow I suppose.

Status quo changing stuff.
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Man I am with you on the empathetic/less violent bit. Not that I am an arsehole or a hothead or anything, I'm a chill person, but even more so now since my last few voyages with mushrooms. My situation is the opposite tho, I'd love for my wife to take some and relax a bit, she's pretty high strung and doesn't get the same effects from psilo as I do. :surprised
 
That was really good OP.

I think if I took the questionnaire over again I would just copy and paste this as the answer to

"someone is about to take DMT for the first time. What is your advice."
 
Something that took us more than thirty years to work out and now stands forefront in our philosophy. There is no good reason for us to open someone's eyes for them unless we also have a legitimate solution to follow. One that will aid them in picking up the pieces and rebuilding something stronger than that which we so carelessly have destroyed.
 
I think I am just starting to come to grips with the sincerity and wisdom with which this message was written. I couldn't understand why the DMT community seemed to exhibit what from the outside seemed somewhat like elitism or exclusivity whereas every other drug community seems to be so much about spreading it more, people around DMT give the message that people should have to work for it and seek it out themselves. Only now after several experiences have I started to learn and understand some of the apprehension experienced DMT users have about new people taking DMT.

Scylla said:
That was really good OP.

I think if I took the questionnaire over again I would just copy and paste this as the answer to

"someone is about to take DMT for the first time. What is your advice."
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If I took the questionnaire over again I would change my answer to "If you could have a superpower what would it be?" to be that I could fully understand the meaning and wisdom behind any advice. So often you get good advice and ignore it or are incapable of understanding it until you learn for yourself that exact thing which you had been told in the first place.
This post contains genuine and valuable information, but for the curious to understand and trust it without seeing for themselves is a very difficult thing indeed.
 
I agree so much with the OP and many of the posts in this thread. DMT has certainly shown me things that I can't unsee, and which I believe in as much, if not more than, anyone can believe in something like religion. My entire understanding of consciousness and life has been altered, not necessarily in a good or bad way, just altered. I wouldn't take it back if given the chance, but that doesn't mean it's for everyone. Ignorance is bliss for some and knowledge is pain for some as well. It is so interesting how your perception of things can change from such an experience of such short duration.
 
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