wow oh wow bufotenine success!!

[69ron]

Try doing a double A/B extraction using DCM, and don’t skimp on defats with DCM because they are absolutely critical. After the double A/B you end up with sticky amber crap which is very potent but nauseating (from bufotenine N-Oxide I believe). You then do a xylene boil to get rid of the amber crap. No one likes using DCM. It’s a nasty solvent. And everyone hates xylene. So far though, this is the only way SWIM was able to get pure crystals and it works every time. No one else is trying this and that’s why you are all failing.

When you were doing your defats, did you have bufotenine citrate in water then mixed in the DCM?

Also are you using legitimate 100% DCM?

Only place I could find it was in an OTC paint remover where it was mixed with methanol. I mixed it with some water hoping to get most of the methanol out then used the DCM... it sure has pulled a lot of crap out that other stuff wouldn't though.

SWIM uses 100% pure DCM. Don’t use paint remover unless you know how to remove the other junk in it.

SWIM defats with DCM while the bufotenine citrate is in water.

 

[jamie]

so ron does your swim experience the visual strobing effects as well? I have been taking bufotenine alot in these last few weeks and the visual strobing is becomming more pronounced as I raise my dosage..reality litterally seems to flicker..it's very peculiar. The flicking effects also has geometric partterns with in it(hard to explain) and I get that sense it is a membrane I am about to fall through into a breakthrough..but never got there yet.

 

[69ron]

Oh I forgot to add that there was also this really strange strobing effect going on in the dark..like really fast flickering of reality,reality flickering in and out..I have had it before but never like this..it's facinating and I got the feeling it wanted to give way into something much more at a larger dose..Really close to the way Ott describes it..made me feel sort of like I was on the verge of an OBE as well..

That strobe effect will become really strong if the dose is high enough. When SWIM smoked 10 mg of pure white bufotenine for the very first time using a test tube vaporizing system, that strobe effect was very powerful. Within about 2-3 minutes, the whole room was flickering rapidly, as if it was being repainted super fast, and that was seen with very bright lights on, not in the dark. He could see everything flicker on and off, and there were color effects that were present which SWIM had not seen at lower doses. The flicker is really rapid, maybe 10 times a second? It’s very strobe like.

At that dose, closing the eyes will lead to extremely rich visions. This is SWIM’s favorite visionary substance. If the bufotenine is clean enough there will be no nausea at all. There might be very slight tension. I believe the nausea and tension is caused by bufotenine N-oxide contamination, and that bufotenine N-oxide is amber or brownish, and not white like bufotenine is. (Actually bufotenine is very lightly tinted yellow, but nearly white.)

When the amber/brown crap is isolated from the white bufotenine, smoking the amber/brown crap produces nausea and tension and almost no other effects. This amber crap often represents as much as 50% of the alkaloid mix. For that reason, I believe it is bufotenine N-oxide, because no other alkaloid is present at that amount in Anadenathera colubrina other than bufotenine N-oxide. I only wish someone could positively identify it.

The early tests performed by injection of bufotenine oxalate that showed bufotenine lacked psychedelic effects may have been performed using bufotenine N-oxide unknowingly. Smoking 10 mg of that amber crap resulted in a headache, lots of nausea (as if hit in the stomach), and some tension, and nothing else much.

 

[69ron]

so ron does your swim experience the visual strobing effects as well? I have been taking bufotenine alot in these last few weeks and the visual strobing is becomming more pronounced as I raise my dosage..reality litterally seems to flicker..it's very peculiar. The flicking effects also has geometric partterns with in it(hard to explain) and I get that sense it is a membrane I am about to fall through into a breakthrough..but never got there yet.

Yes. This is a very common effect SWIM gets that is specific to bufotenine.

It can lead to a breakthrough with your eyes closed.

I don’t think it’s possible to really have a breakthrough with the eyes opened. Bufotenine doesn’t completely detach you from reality like DMT can. This is one reason SWIM likes it more. With the eyes closed SWIM can have fantastic visions, and then with the eyes opened they will stop and SWIM can then interact with reality very easily, even during the peak of a massive dose. For SWIM, this is not possible with DMT. Maybe if the dose is high enough a breakthrough is possible with the eyes open, but with bufotenine, SWIM has not experienced that.

It’s like bufotenine is a dream enhancer rather than a true hallucinogen, requiring that you relax and “let go” in order to experience visions from it, while DMT is visually very forceful. This may explain why some people fail to have visions from bufotenine. You definitely need to surrender to the visions. If SWIM does anything that requires a lot of concentration, the visions will come to a stop, no matter how complex the visions are, they will come to a stop. SWIM likes this aspect of the effects. It gives him more control over the experience, whereas with DMT, you can’t really stop the visions when you want them to stop, you just have to wait for them to stop.

 

[soulfood]

Try doing a double A/B extraction using DCM, and don’t skimp on defats with DCM because they are absolutely critical. After the double A/B you end up with sticky amber crap which is very potent but nauseating (from bufotenine N-Oxide I believe). You then do a xylene boil to get rid of the amber crap. No one likes using DCM. It’s a nasty solvent. And everyone hates xylene. So far though, this is the only way SWIM was able to get pure crystals and it works every time. No one else is trying this and that’s why you are all failing.

When you were doing your defats, did you have bufotenine citrate in water then mixed in the DCM?

Also are you using legitimate 100% DCM?

Only place I could find it was in an OTC paint remover where it was mixed with methanol. I mixed it with some water hoping to get most of the methanol out then used the DCM... it sure has pulled a lot of crap out that other stuff wouldn't though.

SWIM uses 100% pure DCM. Don’t use paint remover unless you know how to remove the other junk in it.

SWIM defats with DCM while the bufotenine citrate is in water.

Yeah that didn't work too well with the paint remover but I figured afterwards that it's really easy to distill with warm water. I just need to think of an efficent and safe way for collecting it.

Also this is the question I've been feeling too silly to ask for a while, but DCM sink under water right?

 

[jamie]

No, I dont think they are really dangerous..

Bufotenine n oxide is proababily one of them..toasting apparently converts it back to straight bufotenine..

Apparently there are 2 others I think..they are most likely tryptmaines..1 is sopposed to be like DMT but more nauseating..not sure about those 2 though..

 

[69ron]

Also this is the question I've been feeling too silly to ask for a while, but DCM sink under water right?

Yes. DCM and chloroform sink below water while most other non-polars float above water.

 

[soulfood]

Thanks for that It was just so alien to me that this happens. You should have seen the look on my face, like the whole world turned up side down or something.

So do you think distilling DCM out of a OTC varnish remover would be a good idea? I can't think of anything else that would be in there with such a low boiling point and this seems to be the only route of access to myself for this solvent. It reads on the label contains DCM and methanol, though I think there's traces of some rubber like stabilising agent in the mix also.

 

[69ron]

No, I dont think they are really dangerous..

Bufotenine n oxide is proababily one of them..toasting apparently converts it back to straight bufotenine..

Apparently there are 2 others I think..they are most likely tryptmaines..1 is sopposed to be like DMT but more nauseating..not sure about those 2 though..

Tests show that bufotenine N-oxide is the second most prevalent alkaloid in these seeds, with bufotenine normally the most prevalent. DMT and the others are normally only present in traces, but NOT ALWAYS.

SWIM has been able to extract something similar to DMT from Vilca (A. colubrina), but it lasts longer than DMT, giving a 3 hour trip. It's very DMT-like, soluble in naphtha, tastes similar to DMT, and is very unlike bufotenine.

Also at times, there seems to be a little 5-MeO-DMT or something similar present. Both are usually present in very small amounts, maybe less than 5% of the total alkaloids. SWIM usually cannot detect any DMT present at all.

One time SWIM extracted Yopo (A. peregrina) and it contained a substantial amount of DMT. It was mostly DMT, judging by the taste, smell, and effects. I’d say about 70% DMT and 30% bufotenine. That’s just a guess though. This was with an A/B extract using DCM on Yopo. SWIM was very surprised to find such a large amount of actual DMT present. This was the only time this occurred. SWIM has extracted bufotenine hundreds of times from both Yopo and Vilca from many different vendors and only got these results one time.

 

[69ron]

Thanks for that It was just so alien to me that this happens. You should have seen the look on my face, like the whole world turned up side down or something.

So do you think distilling DCM out of a OTC varnish remover would be a good idea? I can't think of anything else that would be in there with such a low boiling point and this seems to be the only route of access to myself for this solvent. It reads on the label contains DCM and methanol, though I think there's traces of some rubber like stabilising agent in the mix also.

Use a plastic solvent that contains 95% or more DCM and distill that. Some plastic solvents available OTC in the US are 100% DCM (technical grade).

 

[soulfood]

I've shopped around and done some basic purity tests like mixing with water and measuring the loss after seperation and there was one product which lost no more than 20ml off of a litre so that's good going.

I take it methanol is more attracted to water than DCM?

 

[69ron]

Yes.

 

[69ron]

Craftics Plastic Acrylic Solvent Cement is nearly pure DCM with a tiny bit of diacetyl alcohol in it, if I recall correctly. It should be distilled before use. The alcohol doesn’t matter, it’s like 5% or so and can be left in.

 

[soulfood]

Is it a good idea to do an improv distilation of DCM without proper lab equipment?

 

[69ron]

DCM is not flammable, and distills at a very low safe temperature, but you should not breathe the vapors of it. Because you don’t want to breath any in, it's best to use a proper distillation setup.

DCM is hard to get in pure form OTC.

Another solvent which is very similar to DCM is MEK (Methyl Ethyl Ketone). You can use MEK mixed with naphtha or heptane to approximate the qualities of DCM. The exact ratio of MEK to naphtha or heptane is critical though, and I don’t know it off the top of my head.

A 40:60 mix of MEK:heptane is a good starting point (if using MEK and naphtha, a 50:50 mix is probably better). The toxins (most likely bufotenine N-oxide) are insoluble in this binary solvent mix but bufotenine is soluble in it. Once extracted, you can then boil off the MEK, and then let the heptane (or naphtha) cool down and evaporate, and bufotenine will crystallize out of the remaining heptane (or naphtha if that was used).

(EDIT: I'm talking about using MEK:heptane in place of DCM for an A/B extraction of Yopo/Vilca)

 

[soulfood]

As both a defatting and extracting solvent?

 

[69ron]

Yes.

 

[jamie]

So I am making a smoking mix with some crude bufo and and cappi extract..I never took a concentrated caapi extract with bufo before only smoked some caapi shaving with it..

With a high dose of caapi alkaloids I am thinking ti will have more mind warp yes?..more like DMT and psilocybin in mental effects?

Eventually i want to add the toasted seeds to a brew but I am hesitant..do you know of any traditional use of the seeds in aya brews ron? I know they chew caapi before hand and I have even heard of freebased caapi as a snuff with the seeds but never in a brew..

Also wanted to thank you for turning me onto bufo:d Glad to see you back at the nexus!

 

[69ron]

With a high dose of caapi alkaloids I am thinking ti will have more mind warp yes?..more like DMT and psilocybin in mental effects?

Bufotenine and THH produce an effect that is very DMT-like, more similar to DMT than psilocin, so I imagine that caapi would be sort of similar. It should also make the trip last longer. THH seems to make bufotenine last about twice as long. The harmine in the caapi should add more mind warp to the bufotenine.

Eventually i want to add the toasted seeds to a brew but I am hesitant..do you know of any traditional use of the seeds in aya brews ron? I know they chew caapi before hand and I have even heard of freebased caapi as a snuff with the seeds but never in a brew..

Oral bufotenine is not very pleasant. It causes lots of nausea and even more so if added to a caapi brew. I don’t recommend it unless you add a few Datura stramonium seeds (2-4) to counteract the nausea. The nausea from oral bufotenine is constant throughout the whole trip. Vomiting will not get rid of the nausea. Caapi makes the nausea much worse. With an oral caapi brew containing bufotenine, many people will vomit over and over and over until the trip ends. So beware.

Some natives will chew on caapi while snorting Yopo/Vilca or smoking ground Yopo/Vilca seeds mixed with tobacco. They also sometimes add it to the snuff, or add it to the smoking mix directly.

The only way I know of bufotenine being pleasant orally is when taken with Datura stramonium seeds to block the nausea.

Some natives make an alcoholic drink from the Yopo/Vilca seeds, using about 3 seeds per person. This is somewhat pleasant according to many people who’ve tried it, but it does cause nausea it too much is used.

Bufotenine is just not that great orally. If it was, natives would use it that way rather than snorting or smoking it.

Also wanted to thank you for turning me onto bufo:d Glad to see you back at the nexus!

Thanks

It’s nice to be back

 

[Touche Guevara]

So if someone was in a country where it was legal to do so, is the toast -> sodium carbonate -> iso method the most accessible for someone not willing to play with nonpolar solvents?