sidefx said:
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I would never take this shit neither
I think people often mistake a bad cold as influenza but theres a world of difference between the two conditions.
As Benzyme has alluded to, the Influenza viruses types A and B are antigenically rather unstable unlike most other viruses.The'H' and the 'N' which are used to classify the virus refer to surface proteins (Haemagglutinins and Neuraminidases) which must be in each annual vaccine, reflecting the prevalence of each annual virus-type that predominates.
Because the flu virus will not control epidemics, the jab is recommended for those at 'high risk' of severe disease or complications ie
1.aged > 65;
2.chronic respiratory disease including asthma;
3.chronic heart and renal disease;
4.diabetes;
5.immunosuppression due to disease or treatment.
Its recommended for nursing home, or other long-term institutions' residents, and also healthcare workers.
The jab is of 2 types- a 'split virion' which is composed of a suspension of formadehyde-inactivated virus, or a 'surface antigen' prep consisting of virus inactivated by propriolactone.The recommended strains are grown in chick embryos making egg allergy a contra-indication.
I think it serves a very important role as the complications of proper influenza are potentially lethal.
As Benzyme has alluded to, the Influenza viruses types A and B are antigenically rather unstable unlike most other viruses.The'H' and the 'N' which are used to classify the virus refer to surface proteins (Haemagglutinins and Neuraminidases) which must be in each annual vaccine, reflecting the prevalence of each annual virus-type that predominates.
Because the flu virus will not control epidemics, the jab is recommended for those at 'high risk' of severe disease or complications ie
1.aged > 65;
2.chronic respiratory disease including asthma;
3.chronic heart and renal disease;
4.diabetes;
5.immunosuppression due to disease or treatment.
Its recommended for nursing home, or other long-term institutions' residents, and also healthcare workers.
The jab is of 2 types- a 'split virion' which is composed of a suspension of formadehyde-inactivated virus, or a 'surface antigen' prep consisting of virus inactivated by propriolactone.The recommended strains are grown in chick embryos making egg allergy a contra-indication.
I think it serves a very important role as the complications of proper influenza are potentially lethal.
Is there a down side to it? I often see people saying they are opposed to vaccines... but why? These treatments have all but eradicated several things that used to plague humanity, why would anyone be opposed to that? I don't bother with the flu jab since I don't feel I am high risk, never had the flu but fairly sure I would fight it off if I got it, but I damn sure got my MMR jab when I was younger. Can't really see why anyone would be against vaccines.
Why the hate on flu shots lol, I get one once a year and never get the flu.
What's bad about it?
What's bad about it?
Sky Motion said:
It's because you do not need an injection to stay healthy, it is completely unnecessary. I don't get the flu either, nor a cold, nor any other illness. Health is a way of life, a state of mind and being. You take care of your body, blah blah blah. But by all means, waste twenty bucks on a pointless shot. I'll bet you that twenty that you wouldn't get the flu if you skipped a shot.
just give me that twenty when you eventually catch it.
you're not impervious to orthomyxoviridae infections, nobody is.
it's your choice whether or not to get a shot, but it's downright stupid to believe
you can never get the flu. the immune system isn't a state of mind, it's a state of antibody-antigen interactions.
you're not impervious to orthomyxoviridae infections, nobody is.
it's your choice whether or not to get a shot, but it's downright stupid to believe
you can never get the flu. the immune system isn't a state of mind, it's a state of antibody-antigen interactions.
benzyme said:
+1
SoulCrushingBass
Keeper of the spice
Sky Motion said:
Are you sure mind has no affect over body? Is the mind not what controls everysingle aspect of the body?
anecdotes.
I have a pretty cynical/negative view of the world, but rarely get ill.
definitely not a state of mind for me, it's purely antibody-related, a more scientifically-sound explanation (immunoassays would confirm it)
you could be the most positive and oblivious person in the world, but if you
happen to inhale airborne H5N1, all the smiling and positive thoughts won't prevent you from getting worked over.
I have a pretty cynical/negative view of the world, but rarely get ill.
definitely not a state of mind for me, it's purely antibody-related, a more scientifically-sound explanation (immunoassays would confirm it)
you could be the most positive and oblivious person in the world, but if you
happen to inhale airborne H5N1, all the smiling and positive thoughts won't prevent you from getting worked over.
SoulCrushingBass
Keeper of the spice
Ice House said:
And those who don't get the shot are subject to public display. A nurse at a clinic, was wearing a mask. She had a sign that said she chose not to get vaccinated and is wearing a mask for my safety. Score another for big pharma. Oops, is that ct?
tetra said:
Does this apply to STD's as well? No need for a condom, just stay positive and your state of mind will stop AIDS in it's tracks? (may seem an extreme example, but I don't see why you would believe you are immune to the flu and not immune to AIDS)
I'm with benzyme on this one. I think it is highly foolish to think these shots are superfluous, and I don't believe your view is backed by the evidence... I think it is wishful thinking.
tony said:
well, as i said i used to get the flu virtually once a year. the year i stopped taking the vaccine i never got it again. Not saying that applies to other people, or even that this is for sure what led to me not getting it.. but thats enough for me to stop for good. Its just unnecessary for me, and i think most people
I don't fully agree with tetra but the view that our state of mind doesn't have a VERY big impact on the functioning of our immune system has long been surpassed, afaik. I mean, just look at the power of placebo for the most obvious example.
The thing with placebo is that it only works to a certain extend: It helps with speeding up recovery from diseases that the body can fight itself.universecannon said:
However, with diseases that the boy cannot fight, like AIDS, it's dangerous to think that one can heal this with positive thoughts/placebo alone and thus need no further protection or treatment. The people who attract it and that get no treatment will simply be killed by that disease.
As for flu jabs, people at risk like weak people and people at a risky job where there is a higher danger to attract the flu it is advisable to take them. For others it is not necessary but it can still lower the overall percentage of people who attract flu and get sick of it.
Kind regards,
The Traveler
Yes. The 'flue' is a word people use for just any cold, caused by for instance rhinovirusses. Real influenza is a lot more serious. If you get a cold and it´s like:'i haven´t been this sick in ten years', then it´s likely influenza.corpus callosum said:
Ofcourse commerce plays a role in these vaccinationprograms: governments place orders for millions of 'shots', so obviously lobbygroups are involved: what risk are we prepared to take? How many people need to get a vaccination?, etc.
Yet, if i would be offered to get a free vaccination, i would not incline. I don´t think it has any harmfull effects and having some assurance that you won´t get the flue this year is not bad at all.
I think that in terms of saving lives though, a total vaccinationprogram, covering more than just the vulnerable groups is not a very efficient way of spending public money.
Phat Platypus
A glimpse of the light illuminates a lifetime of d
mhm, evolution is continuous in all spectra of life
these viruses are as 'highly evolved' as we are and much more fluid with environmental changes such as the introduction of vaccinations.
The # of possible mutations is immense. New vaccinations are often the cause and cure of the ailment. Proliferating the cycle. The complete cure, like Achilles and the tortoise: forever out of reach.
Demonizing vaccination is by no means the answer. Modern medicine is largely to thank for the recent massive leaps in quality of life (human life at least...). I'll admit that I'd b in another form without it.
There are noises that it is a government conspiracy. Pure Paranoia.
The noises of it being a money machine however, are well grounded by the less than spotless reputation of pharma companies and medicinal enterprises.
Ultimately whether or not to get the shot is personal.
Critically examine your health and be intelligent about your decision
Exercise and eat well. Help your immune system out.
If you are in less than perfect health and older/younger, maybe consider the aid...
these viruses are as 'highly evolved' as we are and much more fluid with environmental changes such as the introduction of vaccinations.
The # of possible mutations is immense. New vaccinations are often the cause and cure of the ailment. Proliferating the cycle. The complete cure, like Achilles and the tortoise: forever out of reach.
Demonizing vaccination is by no means the answer. Modern medicine is largely to thank for the recent massive leaps in quality of life (human life at least...). I'll admit that I'd b in another form without it.
There are noises that it is a government conspiracy. Pure Paranoia.
The noises of it being a money machine however, are well grounded by the less than spotless reputation of pharma companies and medicinal enterprises.
Ultimately whether or not to get the shot is personal.
Critically examine your health and be intelligent about your decision
Exercise and eat well. Help your immune system out.
If you are in less than perfect health and older/younger, maybe consider the aid...
tony said:
Yes, that is an extreme example, and I would never be with such a disease carrying woman. Every women I've been with, we've been tested together before going the distance. Like I said, health is a way of life: I would not put myself in such a situation.
I had the flu as a kid, what's the big deal? You get sick, you get better. I had it once and never again. Having had the flu once when I was 10 certainly doesn't make me want to run out and get a shot every year. I live well, I take care of myself, I don't worry about the flu or any other illness. I'm not naive, I know I can get sick, I just also know I that I won't get sick.
You'll only truly understand when you begin to live like this.
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