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25i-NBOMe! What about cross-tolerance?

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Hello!

So I have recently began experimenting with this fascinating and generally unknown psychedelic known as 25i-NBOMe. It seems to me that at within a (somewhat scarily small) dosage window, profound insights and beautiful visuals are quite within grasp. It's very forgiving, at least at the doses I have taken, and so lucid and clear that it seems to me that there is less chance of getting "lost in the woods" so to speak - which is always a looming possibility with the molecule that I've been making the most of lately (DMT primarily pharma).

I had 5 pre-made blotters, taking one to test the stuff out, finding that dose to be unspectacular and more of a strange MDMA-type experience. 4-5 days later I take two doses, and had a blissful experience and having lots of very unique effects that I have never come across before... very stereotypical american "60's" stuff which I have never had like purple/magenta phosphorescent smoke billowing everywhere, numbers melting off of clocks, that sort of thing. I had good mental trains going on (like perhaps the machines should have won the matrix) but no "visions" in the ayahuasca/jurema sense. But it seemed wholesome and nice.

However, one drawback with the substance is that there is an extremely long tolerance curve, apparently something on the order of two weeks, which supposedly goes even longer if one redoses too soon. Does anyone think or know through experience whether or not that tolerance would also dampen or defeat the effects of, say, oral DMT via ayahuasca analogue? What about LSD? If there is a tolerance lasting that long, would it apply at least somewhat to all serotonergic psychedelics?

Also, just as a curiosity, how does such a tolerance develop? Desensitization or down-regulation of 5-HT2a and 2c receptors? Or some other mechanism? are there any drugs using similar pathways that do not cause cross-tolerance with one another?

Anyway thanks!
 
AluminumFoilRobots said:
Also, just as a curiosity, how does such a tolerance develop? Desensitization or down-regulation of 5-HT2a and 2c receptors? Or some other mechanism? are there any drugs using similar pathways that do not cause cross-tolerance with one another?

no.

and you pretty much answered your question with a question.
some ligands have quicker turnover than others, but crosstolerance generally occurs from
the desensitization/downregulation of the same receptors.
 
Um well that was my inclination so I was just seeing if I had the right idea.

I guess the most direct way to ask is this question is this : if 25i-NBOMe has a ~2 week persistent tolerance, should I expect a persistent dampening of the effects of say DMT for the same amount of time?
 
I think it would be safe to say there is no noticeable "dampening" of effects of LSD or DMT after one takes 25i-NBOMe. In my experience I have taken 25i-NBOMe and a few days later ingested ingested ~100ug of LSD and had a full fledged experience. DMT was also vaporized during the experience and reached hyperspace with no problem with 35mg of material. As for ayahuasca, I have no experience with it.

There could be a psychological component to it as well, if one has an intense experience with 25i-NBOMe and then the next day ingests LSD, the LSD may seem less profound due to the individual already having an ego shattering experience that the body and mind are still very familiar and aware of.
 
My friends have reported a little bit more of a tolerance than they usually experience with LSD, the stuff is floating around my area as it is very cheap.

Be careful with RC's
 
Yeah I am talking more like I took the 25i last Saturday and so I am wondering if the jurema brew I am planning on making for my new community (we found a farm to worktrade) will be attenuated for me. The only way to find out is to try, so I guess that's what I'll do.

Re RC safety: caution is always at the fore of my mind when experimenting with new, untested chemicals for which the only data on is Ki binding values. It's like playing with a pet cobra... Utmost respect is key.
 
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