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69Ron's "Triple E" Tech for Elemicin Extraction from Elemi Oil

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69ron said:
damiana said:
The elemi x by itself doesn't do very much for SWIM. It does a little, SWIM feels it, but it is very subtle. I think it wouldn't do very much even if SWIM took the whole bottle (15ml)
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I don’t know about this elemi x stuff, but with elemi oil, the effects are pretty subtle until you get to the point that your whole body is strongly tingling. At that point you start having definite hallucinogenic effects.

Did you reach the dosage level that causes strong tingling in the body, almost like you’re about to go numb? A dose lower than that isn’t really hallucinogenic by itself. I’m guessing that you didn’t reach that level of tingling sensations from the elemicin because you didn't mention it, and you just need a higher dose.

For SWIM 2 ml of elemi oil (extracted with DMSO) is absolutely psychedelic. Not just a hint of it.
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Yea, I think you might be correct about that, SWIM will have to try a larger dose. Things are starting to get really interesting.
 
This has definitely peaked SWIMs interest.

Does anyone know a reputable vendor for Elemi oil that has low levels of eucalyptol?

Elemicin is very intriguing to SWIM.
 
So SWIM took 23 drops of the elemi x with 200mg of mescaline. This combo was nice, but only a little stronger then 50 drops and 100mg of mescaline. SWIM thinks more drops are needed to reach the elemicin high, while the mescaline high is already reached at around 100mg for SWIM. Next time SWIM will do 70 drops and 150mg of mescaline. Also SWIM does want to try the elemi x by itself at high doses just to see the effects. In the weeks to come.
 
200 mg of mescaline should be at least twice as potent as 100 mg, so there’s definitely potentiation happening from using the elemicin. Those tests, plus SWIM’s own experience with this combination show that elemicin definitely causes potentiation of mescaline.

I would like to know exactly what’s happening. The synergy between the two is nice. I’ll bet the potentiation is safer than MAOI potentiation of mescaline. That’s just based on how it feels to SWIM, no science to back that up.

SWIM is getting really curious about using myristicin with mescaline. Nutmeg oil is more visual and more bazaar compared to elemi oil. I’ll bet a little myristicin will potentiate mescaline even more, and bring the visuals out really well.
 
SWIM would like to request an update to the Triple E tech accounting for all the relatively recent info re: general dosage, variation in actives from batch to batch, combos, etc.
 
I took 3ml of elemi oil in a smal cup of milk with some sugar. The effects were very nice.. i can't really do the triple E anymore because of the DMSO body odor issue. I figured I would try it straight up before buying any elemi X.

I found it to be just as enjoyable (at least at that dose) Not sure what the extra-effects would be like at higher doses. Maybe the other actives in there will get to be overbearing, but it was just fine as is.

The only real drawback I see (at least for this particular bottle of elemi) is that I had elemi-burps for the rest of the day.
 
Madcapv2 said:
I took 3ml of elemi oil in a smal cup of milk with some sugar. The effects were very nice..
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How would you describe the effects? It is similar to anything you know of?
 
I can't be completely objective because I was vaping MJ before and throughout the trip, but...

There was a little body tingle. My GF said her head was tingling, I felt it more throughout sort of like what I remember as the beginnings of acid trip. I did feel a little more sedated than from triple E extract. That could very well be placebo because thats what I had read to expect. If there was any additional sedation, it was pleasant. In fact, I believe the MJ and elemi oil were playing off each other.

I had some CEV that reminded me of acid but not very clear... like low-def LD visuals. Its like my mind wasn't doing all the math, but the ideas of the patterns were there hazy. The color spectrum was very blue, like electric deep blue. Mescaline at low visual doses for me is always mostly green and purple.

I would prefer to have the effects of the extracted elemi for working on music or watching a movie... but for taking a lazy day of video games and bong hits, the oil I have is fine untampered with.
 
SWIM ordered some stuff from FV and saw the elemi x and thought "meh, 10 bucks"

So when it comes in he'll give it a test.
 
Madcapv2 said:
I can't be completely objective because I was vaping MJ before and throughout the trip, but...

There was a little body tingle. My GF said her head was tingling, I felt it more throughout sort of like what I remember as the beginnings of acid trip. I did feel a little more sedated than from triple E extract. That could very well be placebo because thats what I had read to expect. If there was any additional sedation, it was pleasant. In fact, I believe the MJ and elemi oil were playing off each other.
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The myrcene in the whole elemi oil is absent from the Triple E extract. Myrcene potentiates the effects of cannabis very nicely. So the whole elemi oil is pretty useful as a cannabis admixture, probably more than pure elemicin is, because of the myrcene present.

Myrcene is a nice sedative actually. SWIM likes it on it's own. It's sort of like a mild cannabis effect, but more withdrawn and relaxed.

Madcapv2 said:
I had some CEV that reminded me of acid but not very clear... like low-def LD visuals. Its like my mind wasn't doing all the math, but the ideas of the patterns were there hazy. The color spectrum was very blue, like electric deep blue. Mescaline at low visual doses for me is always mostly green and purple.

I would prefer to have the effects of the extracted elemi for working on music or watching a movie... but for taking a lazy day of video games and bong hits, the oil I have is fine untampered with.
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Yeah, the oil as is can be very nice, as long as the dose is not too high. The myrcene adds a soft pleasant touch to the experience at low doses, but at higher doses, it starts feeling like a tropane alkaloid, making you feel very out of touch, withdrawn, foggy, sleepy. You just want to lay back and drift away. That can be nice too, it's all a matter of what you want to experience. If you want an acid like experience, it's best if the myrcene is not there.
 
I really wish someone could come up with a way to remove the DMSO... I am blank! I really hate to have to store the DMSO solution and dissolve it in milk or juice every time I want to use it. It would really be much more efficient to just make a bunch of chocolates with the washed elemi oil!
 
SWIM just got his Elemi X in the mailbox today. SWIM has not tried it yet. He's planning to test drive it later. It came with a note saying its "formula X3" and that it's 2 times as potent as the previous formulas. So 1 ml is as potent as 1 ml of elemi oil. This is convenient since SWIM can gauge his dosage based off of elemi oil dosage.

I wonder why they don't make it more concentrated. It's kind of odd that it would be a 1 to 1 extract of elemi oil. It seems to me they could probably make it a 10 to 1 extract or even more.
 
SWIM is now free to give it a go (the wife just got home).

He just tried 2 ml of Elemi X in 1 cup of whole milk sweetened with 2 teaspoons of sugar. The taste is very light. It actually tastes pretty good. SWIM was expecting it to be much stronger tasting. There is no eucalyptol flavor present. It's sort of a light nutmeg, flower-like taste.

EDIT: about 1 hour later, the effects are present. There's mild euphoria, but honestly, SWIM expected it to be stronger at this point. Maybe it's just taking longer to kick in than usual. I'll update this post a little later.

EDIT 2: about 2 hours later, there's a lot of euphoria. SWIM feels fantastic. There's some tingling, and extremely mild visuals. It seems like its taking longer to come on this time compared with his Triple E extract. It feels pretty much like pure elemicin to SWIM, very clean. There's not even the slightest hint of eucalyptol felt.

EDIT 3: about 3 hours later, it’s peaked and isn’t getting any stronger. SWIM had a cup of coffee just a minute ago and it potentiated the effects nicely making the extremely mild visual effects a little more noticeable.

This dose was not enough to be really “psychedelic”. There were no auditory hallucinations which SWIM gets from 2 ml of his Triple E extract, and the visuals were barely noticeable.

This wasn’t as strong as SWIM’s last Triple E extract, maybe 1/2 as strong. I guess SWIM has some very potent elemi oil. However the effect of this Elemi X is really nice. It’s definitely much cleaner. I only wish it was more concentrated.

I assume this Elemi X is formulated to be as strong as “average” elemi oil. SWIM’s oil is definitely stronger. I wonder just how potent SWIM’s recent batch of elemi oil actually is compared to “average” elemi oil?

I wonder if the tiny bit of eucalyptol present in SWIM’s Triple X extract is actually making the elemicin more potent? I know that pure myristicin is less potent than the same amount taken in nutmeg oil. There are other things in nutmeg oil that increase the potency of myristicin. Maybe the same is true for elemi oil, and having pure elemicin means a weaker experience? I’m not sure.

SWIM needs to do more testing with this. It’s definitely cleaner, but not as strong as SWIM’s elemi oil. Maybe there are MAOI compounds in elemi oil?

It’s possible that MAO enzymes in the digestive system attack elemicin. I think next time SWIM will try potentiating it with some harmaline, but instead of taking the harmaline after the peak like he’s done in the past, SWIM is going to take the harmaline with the Elemi X, maybe 5 minutes beforehand. Maybe this will increase the potency.
 
The effects were pretty mild from the Elemi X again. It definitely put me in a dreamy sort of mindset, not unlike taking harmalas, but I noticed no visual effects. Also, the effects didn't seem more pronounced then when I took 4 ml of Elemi X. It was pleasant, and synergized well with cannabis, but nothing terribly amazing.
 
Bassface, I wonder if yours is the same as what SWIM has. Does it say "Formula X3" on the side?

The Elemi X that SWIM has is not as strong as SWIM's elemi oil. Of course it's only elemicin and pretty much void of the other actives, and that could be why.

SWIM will try a larger dose and see if he can get to a psychedelic dose using the Elemi X. 2 ml of his elemi oil is a psychedelic dose, but not with Elemi X. I think SWIM is going to need at least 4 ml of Elemi X or more.
 
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