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69Ron's "Triple E" Tech for Elemicin Extraction from Elemi Oil

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69ron said:
Elemicin way overpowers the smell and taste of eucalyptol.
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Sorry, I'm not sure if that statement is correct. The elemicin SWIM had was not 100% pure. It was 91% I think. I don't know what the impurities were; they could have been responsible for the stronger odor. Also SWIM never had pure eucalyptol, but rather eucalyptus oil, so don't take that statement as a fact. Before that can be said as a fact, SWIM has to have 100% pure elemicin and 100% pure eucalyptol for comparison.
 
If you got the elemicin from the chinese vendor, the 9-10% of impurity is supposed to be (according to the vendor) isoelemicin and nothing else.
 
Why are elemicin and myristicin so expensive anyway. Myristicin is more expensive. Both are priced way out of reach. I’ve seen myristicin sold at $100 for 100 mg. The source for myristicin is parsley seed oil, which is very cheap. Parsley seed oil is nearly 50% myristicin. 15 ml of parsley seed oil is about $7 usually. That’s about 12000 mg of oil, with about 6000 mg of myristicin in it. So why does myristicin cost $100 for 100 mg? That’s a complete rip off.
 
Would there be cross-tolerance between LSD and elemicin?

SWIM had a lysergic acid diethylamide-25 experience on Day 1

On Day 2 SWIM & Friend stirred 4ml elemi essential oil + 20ml DMSO for five minutes and let stand for one minute, disposed of yellowy top layer, diluted clear bottom layer in ≈ 1 cup whole milk and split the resultant elemi elixir evenly

DMSO tastes AWFUL
Elemi oil is strong but not bad

T+0:00 - SWIM smoked a pipe of cannabis
T+3:00 - Nothing out of the ordinary

:?: :?: :?:
 
Not sure about the cross tolerance, but there is a fast tolerance build up for elemicin. You have to wait a few days in between trying it.
 
Magickpencil, I am willing to bet that there is cross tolerance from LSD to elemicin, but not the other way around. A small dose of elemicin feels a lot like a small dose of LSD.

SWIM knows from personal experience that you can take shrooms, and then the next day take LSD and it works pretty well, but if you take LSD and then shrooms the next day, the shrooms do almost nothing. SWIM has tried that all too often and knows that's true. I assume the same is true with LSD and elemicin. LSD seems to cause long lasting cross tolerance to a lot of other psychedelics.
 
SWIM urges some one w vaster chemistry knowledge than SWIM to find a way to extract elemicin from DMSO
SWIM would like the savory taste of elemicin on SWIM's tongue but is not eager to try that dreadful DMSO again
 
magickpencil said:
SWIM urges some one w vaster chemistry knowledge than SWIM to find a way to extract elemicin from DMSO
SWIM would like the savory taste of elemicin on SWIM's tongue but is not eager to try that dreadful DMSO again
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I was looking on-line for elemi oil today and apparently one vender has found a way to do this without DMSO. They beat SWIM to it. They probably used distillation.

Also another event occurred today. A guy on another forum today posted the very first known full blown psychedelic trip report using elemi oil. He used the Triple E tech on only 50 drops of oil. He’s had two bottles. The second one was much better than the first. Not all elemi oil is the same. Some is worthless as a psychedelic, others are very strong.

This guy experienced complete synesthesia, ego death, super enlarged pupils, psychedelic patterns on things, visual distortions, etc.


I was hoping SWIM would be the one to post the very first full blown psychedelic trip report for elemi oil, but it didn't happen:( SWIM was upstaged:(

That's what SWIM gets for being so cautious about upping the dose.
 
About four hours ago, I tried 4 ml of Elemi X, the flowing visions elemicin extract, in a cup of milk. The website claims that 2 ml of Elemi X is the equivalent of 1 ml elemi oil. Within ten minutes, there was a sort of buzzing in my head. From there on, the experience has been fairly mild. It has definitely put me in a different head space, but I can't quite quantify it. As far as I can tell, my visual and auditory perceptions have not been altered. In a few days, I think I will double the dosage.
 
Bassface said:
About four hours ago, I tried 4 ml of Elemi X, the flowing visions elemicin extract, in a cup of milk. The website claims that 2 ml of Elemi X is the equivalent of 1 ml elemi oil. Within ten minutes, there was a sort of buzzing in my head. From there on, the experience has been fairly mild. It has definitely put me in a different head space, but I can't quite quantify it. As far as I can tell, my visual and auditory perceptions have not been altered. In a few days, I think I will double the dosage.
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What did it taste like?

Were there any side effects from it?
 
I had a very profound experience with Elemicin from Elemi oil last night. I have truly seen how this drug works now and how hard it can make you trip.
It was all about extracting from the right bottle.


At first I took 20 drops extracted, shortly after I noticed that my field of vision seemed to ripple. Colors were enhanced, mood was up. The normal stuff people seem to get with Elemi

Next up I'm chugging down a nasty mix of apple juice, lemon and LSA. There is not much to say other than that I laid down, started tripping, felt sick but held it for quite a while, and then puked so hard my nose bled. Typical!

Luckily I got most of the LSA into my system, because my body felt like it had neither balance or power, and the familiar feeling of blinking lights behind closed eyes hit me.

Due to my puking, I decided to redose myself with extracted Elemicin.
This time I chose another bottle. The unopened bottle labeled "1".
I extracted 50 drops!
"This will either give me a headache or trip me out"
I thought to myself and hoped I was lucky with the contents.
Well I was.

A couple of hours fly by. I smoke some hash.

The high fades, and I'm just listening to music.
Suddenly, I have an ego death like experience,
I fall back and let my mind go blank. I could clearly feel my state changing,
holy shit I was starting to trip.

I took a quick peek through the music and I saw my room breathing, I closed my eyes and went back in.

Now this was one hell of a way to start it off, because I went from merely being a bit high and on a fading LSA dose to seeing every single musical sound in detail, complete Synesthesia. It was all shapes, colors, feelings, it was intensely powerful, even emotional. It was like discovering myself in a strange way. I actually shed a tear.

Some sounds were blocks with symbols on them, some I just felt and couldn't see.
I remember a synth in a Aphex Twin song being Yellow energy, starting off as a thin line, then quickly forming a half circle as it was played. As I focused on the song, this effect created incredible patterns and concepts.

Having seen the auditory aspects of Elemicin, I had to go take a look in the mirror.

On my way down the stairs to the nearest mirror, I noticed how everything was shifting and turning. Shadows and lights pulsating, someone had turned up the contrast settings in my worldview completely.

Visually, My mind was dividing things into layers. This is hard to explain, but if I looked at my hand, the point where I focused would turn super clear and detailed, move around by itself, and the area surrounding it would look more blurred.

When i got to the mirror, I instantly lost myself, and I turned into a lot of weird ass stuff. Not that I remember it all, but I would say it was exactly the same as looking in the mirror on a hit of acid.

I remember psychedelic patterns appearing on my skin, my pupils getting so ridiculously dilated it was almost scary. (pupils almost covering my entire eyeballs) the shape of my face taking new forms. Imaginary sounds.

Of course I ran back upstairs redosing another 50 drops!
(It's a damn shame it's only a 10ml bottle.)

This truly made it feel like acid, since this made it last all night. I think the effects stayed as they were for the most of it. I think the original dose faded as the new one came up.

I took a walk outside, went home, went to sleep. It was a good solo trip.
I will definitively try a higher dosage in the future, I just hope someone finds out how to get that eucalyptol stuff out of the DMSO extraction.
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SWIM don't think the real psychedelic effects came from LSA, because SWIM mixed the two before and got nothing out of the ordinary. This time SWIM used a different Elemi Oil bottle (He has several) and it worked. The LSA had begun fading as it hit SWIM.

The first 20 drops was probably polluted by Eucalyptol, but as said, the 50 from the other bottle just worked! (so probably very little Eucalyptol there) SWIM had a feeling the original dose was polluted so SWIM didn't use so much. Took a big chance with the other.

Someone that is not us have cheap, legal acid on their hands if they can remove the Eucalyptol, any ideas?
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-Big Black Pupils @drugs-forum.com
 
69ron said:
magickpencil said:
SWIM urges some one w vaster chemistry knowledge than SWIM to find a way to extract elemicin from DMSO
SWIM would like the savory taste of elemicin on SWIM's tongue but is not eager to try that dreadful DMSO again
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I was looking on-line for elemi oil today and apparently one vender has found a way to do this without DMSO. They beat SWIM to it. They probably used distillation.

Also another event occurred today. A guy on another forum today posted the very first known full blown psychedelic trip report using elemi oil. He used the Triple E tech on only 50 drops of oil. He’s had two bottles. The second one was much better than the first. Not all elemi oil is the same. Some is worthless as a psychedelic, others are very strong.

This guy experienced complete synesthesia, ego death, super enlarged pupils, psychedelic patterns on things, visual distortions, etc.


I was hoping SWIM would be the one to post the very first full blown psychedelic trip report for elemi oil, but it didn't happen:( SWIM was upstaged:(

That's what SWIM gets for being so cautious about upping the dose.
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A few things. One, what do we really even know about the safety of elemicin? Is it safe to take with other substance like caffeine or lsa? I read that it has anti-cholinergic properties in rats, disrupting the uptake of acetylcholine in the brain. SWIM wasn't sure if piracetam (cholinergic) would relieve this or mix in a dangerous way. Could piracetam and elemicin be a fantastically strong smooth clean trip, or lethal?

2. The trip report above states that the guy took elemicin with lsa. Now the guy says that the lsa wasn't what made him trip, but who knows really? Maybe a little lsa with a lot of elemicin make for a trippy and or dangerous combination.

3. SWIM tried the emeli x last night. App. 23 drops or .5ml. The bottle says the extract is 80% elemicin, but it also states that 2ml of the extract is equal to 1ml of elemi essentail oil, as we already know. The dose was nice, nothing to obvious, but right on the edge of a stronger trip. About six hours after dosing SWIM downs some coffee with app. 150mg mesc. acetate. This isn't very pure mesc. also. About an hour later SWIM is tripping really hard, much harder then 150mg would do to him. Plus the trip came on quick. He never tripped like this before. It was nice at first. But then the coffee and/or caffeine dehydrated SWIM so much he starting having bad headaches and pain in his body. Sore muscles and bone aching. SWIMs head hurt, and he thinks it was the caffeine mixing with elemcin and/or mesc. Meanwhile, he is tripping, kinda a nice trip to, if not for the pain.

Does anyone know the safety of elemicin at higher doses?
 
damiana said:
Does anyone know the safety of elemicin at higher doses?
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The LD50 for elemi oil is: Oral-Rat 3370.00 mg/kg. For an adult human at 75kg, that comes to 252.75g (222.42 ml), or about 1 cup of elemi oil. No one is taking anything close to that much. Considering elemi oil is about 4% elemicin 222 ml of oil would contain about 8.88 ml of pure elemicin (about 10 grams). But the oil contains a lot of toxins. It's hard to say if the elemicin is the cause of the LD50 or something else is.

It's very likely that the LD50 of elemicin is similar to myristicin and safrole. Myristicin has an LD50 of Oral-Rat 4260.00 mg/kg. Safrole's LD50 is Oral-Rat 1950.00 mg/kg. That's much safer than most drugs people use on this forum! Safer than mescaline, caffeine, etc. I'd guess that elemicin's LD50 is somewhere along those lines. But I can't find it listed anywhere. I've searched for it everyday for weeks now.
 
damiana said:
SWIM tried the emeli x last night. App. 23 drops or .5ml. The bottle says the extract is 80% elemicin, but it also states that 2ml of the extract is equal to 1ml of elemi essentail oil, as we already know. The dose was nice, nothing to obvious, but right on the edge of a stronger trip. About six hours after dosing SWIM downs some coffee with app. 150mg mesc. acetate. This isn't very pure mesc. also. About an hour later SWIM is tripping really hard, much harder then 150mg would do to him. Plus the trip came on quick. He never tripped like this before. It was nice at first. But then the coffee and/or caffeine dehydrated SWIM so much he starting having bad headaches and pain in his body. Sore muscles and bone aching. SWIMs head hurt, and he thinks it was the caffeine mixing with elemcin and/or mesc. Meanwhile, he is tripping, kinda a nice trip to, if not for the pain.
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It's the caffeine that did it, I"m sure. SWIM has used mescaline with elemi oil before and the trip experience was just like you said, but there was no headache or body pain. SWIM has not been too fond of mixing caffeine with elemi oil at higher doses. He's gotten a slight headache from that combination before. At lower doses it mixes well with caffeine, but not at higher doses. SWIM is assuming it's the eucalyptol causing it, but maybe it's the elemicin. My advice is to avoid coffee while taking a large dose of elemi oil.

damiana said:
The trip report above states that the guy took elemicin with lsa. Now the guy says that the lsa wasn't what made him trip, but who knows really? Maybe a little lsa with a lot of elemicin make for a trippy and or dangerous combination.
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When SWIM once took mescaline after an elemicin (elemi oil) peak, the mescaline was SUPER STRONG. The mescaline trip came on fast and peaked fast and was gone fast, and then the elemicin took over. So there's some drug interaction happening for sure with mescaline.

It's very possible that the elemicin interacted with the LSA containing seeds and even though the trip from the LSA containing seeds was fading, the elemicin could have boosted it a lot like it can do with mescaline. But then the guy says he's pretty sure that wasn't the case. Until it's tried without taking LSA, we won't know for sure if it was the LSA being boosted and altered or not.

Now if the LSA containing seeds are being boosted like mescaline can, and that guy simply experienced a synergistic boosting from the LSA and elemicin combined, then we have a new way to boost the effects of other general psychedelic other than using MAOIs and datura. It seems to me that this could prove to be a great admixture. SWIM likes elemicin more than datura, and it seems safer than using an MAOI (but this is just an assumption).

If you can take LSA containing seeds and elemicin and get an LSD-like trip from a small dose of each, that's pretty exciting I think. SWIM will have to try that in the future for sure.
 
magickpencil said:
SWIM urges some one w vaster chemistry knowledge than SWIM to find a way to extract elemicin from DMSO
SWIM would like the savory taste of elemicin on SWIM's tongue but is not eager to try that dreadful DMSO again
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If one had enough product to experiment with, one could try transdermal appication - bodybuilders do a lot of transdermal dopping using DMSO. They just dissolve the product in it, and apply it to the desired body part, preferably thin skin near veins. Never done this, but as DMSO absorbs readily through the skin and can take steroids with it, it just might do the same with elemicin.
 
69ron said:
Bassface said:
About four hours ago, I tried 4 ml of Elemi X, the flowing visions elemicin extract, in a cup of milk. The website claims that 2 ml of Elemi X is the equivalent of 1 ml elemi oil. Within ten minutes, there was a sort of buzzing in my head. From there on, the experience has been fairly mild. It has definitely put me in a different head space, but I can't quite quantify it. As far as I can tell, my visual and auditory perceptions have not been altered. In a few days, I think I will double the dosage.
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What did it taste like?

Were there any side effects from it?
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I didn't notice any unpleasant side effects. I can't compare the taste to anything because I've never smelled or tasted something similar.
 
Has anyone noticed an EXOTHERMIC reaction when mixing their DMSO with water ?
When i mix my 99.7% DMso with 30 % water ,it heats up to like 50 degrees celcius or 122 degrees Fahrenheit .

This could possibly be a reason why my multiple attempts at doing this tek have failed.

Im using distilled water by the way.

Also is it normal that my elemi oil is dissolving plastic ?
I use a plastic medicine measuring cup and it softens the plastic to a point where it sticks to your fingers.
 
I don't have any answers to the above questions, just an observation of my own.

The elemi x was mixed with DMSO but almost completely dissolved with no layer separation, just a clear ish DMSO liquid.

I think that stuff is really potent. SWIM will be trying the DMSO extraction on ~1ml of the elemi x tomorrow. Either that or SWIM will try 30 drops of the elemi x itself with better mescaline and no caffeine to further understand what is happening.
 
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