Adderal vs Methamphetamine detriments

[dio]

Hey, I know these are generally not popular substances here, and I am not inquiring so much about there use but rather how comparatively detrimental they are, just out of pure curiosity.

I ask because I am finding it really hard to find information on this, and when I've asked in forums related directly to these substances, I don't intend this to be mean, but everyone there seems alot more dumb, and I feel like I'm not getting good answers. The intelligence level of this forum seems to be a level above the others, so thats why I want to ask you all.

What I am curious to find an answer to, is methamphetamine healthier than adderal? I have had heard this notion a few times from various places, largely based of anecdotal reports. That an amount of clean meth, comparable in effect to aderral, will ultimately give the user fewer negative side effects, and it feels less taxing on the body, for the same amount of stimulation one would get from aderrall. I have tried to find research on this, but nothing really clear cut comes up. I have found that meth is most definantely subjectively percieved as stronger, so you need less meth to feel as stimulated as you would with aderral. I have then seen people use this as reasoning for why meth is worse, because it is stronger. But I have then also seen people use this as reasoning for with meth is not as taxing on you, because it requires less chemical to achieve the same stimulation, resulting in fewer side effects. I can't find anything conclusive on this subject. Does anyone know any more about this? I'm not an amphetamine user at all, this is just pure curiosity on my part.

 

[joshisom]

in my opinion as with any substance amphetamines can be ok and actually strike you in a positive way in small amounts large amounts of amphet to me feel strait toxic like im gonna die not that much of an enjoyable experience. only amphet ive dried is dextro, meth (not very proud), and various cathinones

 

[olympus mon]

My guess would be no. At least Adderal had to go through the FDA and peer reviewed research as apposed to a street drug made in basements by cartels driven by profit without much ethics or concern about health risks.

Not that big pharma companies are ethical and the FDA has screwed up before causing deaths and birth defects but some research is better than none.

 

[adorno]

As joshisom points out, both of these compounds can strike one in a positive way, but most likely only when taken at clinical dosages.

The release efficacies of the two amphetamines are, of course, entirely different from one another. Methamphetamine binds to certain receptors much more effectively than does amphetamine. Besides this, I believe one finds methamphetamine in its freebase form far more often than amphetamine, and so in addition to its higher release efficacy, methamphetamine is most often administered in a way (e.g., smoking, snorting) that also increases its bioavailability.

I suspect the essential difference between the two amphetamines is that there is much greater abuse potential with methamphetamine than with amphetamine, and so greater likelihood of neurotoxicity, addiction, and all the rest. Anyone who has done cocaine a few times at parties or whatever will know exactly what is meant by the expression "chasing the dragon." It seems to me, greater temptation with respect to that chase is what makes methamphetamine potentially more detrimental than amphetamine. The initial "rush" and the relatively deeper euphoria meth offers--and in addition to the blind purpose and motivation offered by amphetamine--seems just enough so that meth takes many, many more people over the edge: into the state of being "spun," sucked into an endless chase after rush, euphoria, and purpose, which will not end until the meth is gone. And we have not even mentioned the obvious greater likelihood to dangerous impurities.

To sum up, then, both of these drugs are approved for prescription, and when taken at clinical dosages, I would imagine any detriments involved are equally negligible. The potential detriments of amphetamine use really have more to do with regular, excessive, long-term abuse, and there is a much greater likelihood towards this abuse with meth...

 

[olympus mon]

To sum up, then, both of these drugs are approved for prescription, and when taken at clinical dosages, I would imagine any detriments involved are equally negligible.

Wow, i did not know that Methamphetamine was approved for prescription. Under what name if you know?

 

[corpus callosum]

^^DESOXYN in the US; PHILOPON in Japan.

As with alot of drugs, set, setting and pattern of use is important in determining cumulative negative effects.

In WW2 German Panzer troops and pilots used d-methamphetamine for its alerting properties and long duration of action without becoming your classic meth-head/casualties.

 

[AluminumFoilRobots]

^^^^^^^
Meth and fascism go GREAT together.

the reason adderall feels worse/harder on the body is the inclusion of ~racemic amphetamine salts, which contains a mix of d- and l-amphetamine. The levorotatory isomer doesn't make it through the BBB and therefore only exerts effects on the peripheral nervous system, leading to the muscle tension, agitation, soreness, and general "dirty" feeling people talk about. This is why Dexedrine is always considered a superior drug. It's the same with the Levorotatory isomer of methamphetamine. Levmetamfetamine (yes, they intentionally use the german contraction to confuse people) is the active ingredient in "Vicks Inhaler" decongestant, and ingesting it leads to almost NO effects, other than these "dirty" feeling effects. So much so that this drug is entirely unregulated, OTC, whereas it's twin is like the #1 hated drug in the USA.

But, street meth is actually much more likely to contain contaminates and/or other drugs. It is almost ALWAYS cut, usually with MSM (the joint supplement) and often was not made by a qualified chemist/without qualified tools/reagents/facilities/or precursors. And like I said sometimes it isn't methamphetamine, it can be some other stong stimulant like methcathinone etc.


The negative effects on the mind are almost the same, except that with meth most people are vaporizing or snorting, so the neurotoxicity/insanity tends to come up sooner. But I would imagine oral methamphetamine/oral amphetamine would have similar curves of insanity... same with smoked amphetamine...

In any case, they'll both tear up yr soul, brain, mind, morals, life, hopes, dreams... but, many have danced with that devil and come out on the other side.