almost hospitalised becaz of overdose.

[pitubo]

Hi Ronaldo,

Welcome to the forum and welcome to your first freakout. Or let's call it "a learning experience".

I can see the headlines now: Dumb kid hospitalized because of new dangerous drug called DMT.

I don't buy that. The media are more clever than that, they have to sell the story. It would more likely read:
"Kid who could be your son hospitalized because of new dangerous drug called DMT"

yeb, that was exactly what i was thinking as well, i was thinking what i would tell the paramedics, that was enough for me to change my mind, i wouldnt have mentioned abt dmt anyways,worst case senerio i would have told them i do not know what i took. theres no reason to be selfish and ruin it for other people who are doing it right.

If ever this sort of thing happens to you again, or to anyone else reading this, please remember to ALWAYS tell the whole truth to medical personnel in a medical emergency situation.

Not giving all available information does not improve the situation, it will actually only cause a greater stir and increase the possibility of authories and law enforcement getting involved. It also creates a lot more work for the people dong their best to help and increases the chances of mistakes made. In the end, the truth is nearly always going to come out. Don't let it be by way of a post-mortem obduction.

TBH, i never had any experiences with any drug, caz i wasnt looking for a high, i just wanted a spiritual journey.

You should consider the spiritual aspect of you doing this in your mom's home while fearing her finding out that you are doing this.

 

[GOD]

" If ever this sort of thing happens to you again, or to anyone else reading this, please remember to ALWAYS tell the whole truth to medical personnel in a medical emergency situation. "

Generaly yes ........ BUT ......thats a case to case thing . Some peoplke have been strapped to beds and given a stomach pump while on trips by doctors who wanted to " help " .


@ endlessness ..... my opinion ---- >

1ce has a valid point . The scene gets harmed by people abuseing drugs and by what the press and " straight " people say / " think " about it . The pess is a BIG source of problems for us . They tend to sensationalise things and joe public mostly acepts it as fact . They are a BIG stone in the way of sensible drug policys and laws . If it hadnt have been for the press the drug world would be VERY different .

For me a sensible response has the " Feel huged you made a mistake we all made " AND the " WTF THINK about what your doing and the effects it can have for us all " parts = two clear poles so that a person can understand in their own individual way ........ as we dont want to produce mindless zombie clones that are just copys of others . People need to make their own experience and not just take things others say for granted . If they dont they dont understand the why of the situation and that can lead to more problems .

So loveing explanations mixed with stern warnings .

 

[endlessness]

I see what you are saying GOD, and I agree to some extent, but there is a big difference between stern warnings and name-calling though. Insulting someone's intelligence is no way to set a constructive tone, even if you want to get a strong message across.

 

[Spiralout]

Yes, thank you end.

I agree alot with what pitubo is saying. If you are under a massive dose of psychs in a hospital you are not in the state to decide to be tactful with a doctor; you are there because you feel you might be in danger and honesty is the best thing, just like in any other situation in life, more or less. This is besides the point; I'm sure the op got what he needed out of this experience.


Much love man, be wise

 

[pitubo]

Generaly yes ........ BUT ......thats a case to case thing . Some peoplke have been strapped to beds and given a stomach pump while on trips by doctors who wanted to " help " .

People aren't strapped to beds because they told about the substances they ingested. People are strapped to beds because they are uncommunicative and withdrawn in a world of their own "experience" while outwardly behaving paniced and hysterically, potentially being a danger to themselves and the medical staff. In those cases, it may be quite a reasonable response to the situation.

 

[Spiralout]

Generaly yes ........ BUT ......thats a case to case thing . Some peoplke have been strapped to beds and given a stomach pump while on trips by doctors who wanted to " help " .

People aren't strapped to beds because they told about the substances they ingested. People are strapped to beds because they are uncommunicative and withdrawn in a world of their own "experience" while outwardly behaving paniced and hysterically, potentially being a danger to themselves and the medical staff. In those cases, it may be quite a reasonable response to the situation.

This is true in my experience. As a teen I have been to the hospital for various drugs, when i was honest and cooperative etc they were helpful and talked to me on the level. When I had a psychotic break due to way to much lsd, mushrooms and dxm I was strapped to a bed and was trying to bite doctors.

 

[obliguhl]

1ce has a valid point .

Who believes otherwise?
I would question how relevant that is here though. I don't see how shaming someone who made a bad decision based on bad info and is now seeking advice helps anyone. I strongly agree with endlessness, 1ce. That wasn't really needed.

 

[1ce]

See I don't think I overeeacted at all.

Let me tell you a story to put this into a perspective some of you might have missed. This is a story about ephedrine.

Once upon a time there was ephedrine. One day a famous baseball player took ephedrine with ecstasy, coke, and other drugs while vigorously practicing on a hot day without taking the time to hydrate. This man died because of his irresponsible actions. The media wasted no time blaming ephedrine as the sole proprieter for his death; calling it a 'dangerous new drug'. Overnight the raging war to ban ephedrine festered in the minds of most Americans.

The FDA banned ephedrine. This ban was overturned by the supreme court and the FDA banned it again. Despite the impeccible safety record of ephedrine they partially succeeded, despite the supreme court demonstrating with double blind studies that ECA stacks pose no health risks and that the plecebo effect was more detrimental to safety than the ECA stack itself.

It took exactly 1 news report, exactly 1! for a substanced I cherished to be outlawed and taken from me. Do you think DMT is any different? Do you think the supreme court will defend a schedual 1 hallucinogen? If you think MHRB is hard to find, try ordering perfectly legal Ephedra Sinica bark. It can just as easilly become unobtainable overnight. And it 0nly takes one news report to do it. I cherish DMT, a d after what I've seen with ephedrine/herbal ephedra the consequences of this man's irresponsibility are a grim reality.

 

[Spiralout]

I understand what your saying 1ce. This is a touchy topic for me because on one hand we should be free as people to do what we want to ourselves and arbitrary, non nonsensical laws should not be in place to prevent this. On the other hand, it is illegal and I would not like to see major spreading of it's presence to be passed along to mainstream society, especially when this information almost always hits society from a negative perspective due to the "rubber necking" ; people are drawn to pay attention to bad things and this is extremely true with media and they use this to there advantage to make huge ordeals out of nothing. Anyways I'm kinda running off track.

I would hope for things to meet at happy medium, reckless use is not good and complete restriction of use is not good. It would be nice to see the truth about everything being spread, not just about drugs, so that people can make there own decisions based on the best possible and most relevant information. This is hindered by society but also hindered by a lot of peoples lack of self control or 'wisdom" and what they do to themselves because of this lack of insight. People think that because something is socially acceptable that somehow correlates with moral integrity. Governments have become the church, money the god, and politicians the prophets. I digress....

 

[dreamer042]

1ce, I have to say I thought your criticism was harsh, uncalled for, and not at all in accordance with the respectful communication attitude of this forum.

ronaldo, I am impressed with how well you handled the harsh criticisms and your overall humble respectful attitude. :thumb_up:

Regarding ephedrine, you think the fact this compound is linked to methamphetamine manufacture might come into play just a little bit? There might be a little more to this story than 1 media story associated with a celebrity death. Besides DMT containing barks are already illegal, you can't very well make them more illegal than schedule 1. Perhaps it would make more sense to start planting some seeds and creating a sustainable supply rather than bemoaning the disappearing grey market supplies.

 

[pitubo]

See I don't think I overeeacted at all.

I could debate (some of) this, but I won't because it would derail the thread even more.

AFAICS, the issue was raised more about the tone than about the content. Lets not turn the issue into a fight.

 

[1ce]

1ce, I have to say I thought your criticism was harsh, uncalled for, and not at all in accordance with the respectful communication attitude of this forum.

ronaldo, I am impressed with how well you handled the harsh criticisms and your overall humble respectful attitude. :thumb_up:

Regarding ephedrine, you think the fact this compound is linked to methamphetamine manufacture might come into play just a little bit? There might be a little more to this story than 1 media story associated with a celebrity death. Besides DMT containing barks are already illegal, you can't very well make them more illegal than schedule 1. Perhaps it would make more sense to start planting some seeds and creating a sustainable supply rather than bemoaning the disappearing grey market supplies.

You're right, it was definitely harsh. I don't think ephedrine plays that big of a role as a methampetamine precurser. It wouldn't be cost effective at all. So while true, I don't think it's applicable to much or north america.

 

[obliguhl]

Again, i would say many Members would wholeheartly agree, that raising awareness about the possible consequences of ones actions is a noble thing to do. The problem is, that you appear to believe, that verbal punishment is a reasonable means to attain that goal....or to "make" someone change.

To me, change always comes from your heart - a nurtured and loved heart i may add. A basic level of respect and acceptance is somthin i wish for all members to establish through their communications.

Also, what else can you expect from ronaldo but acknowledgement of his mistakes?

do not blame dmt what so ever. the only one who is to blame is myself and myself only i realize that, i didnt want to post this thread or registering but i feel like some one might learn from this.

...and going the extra mile to HELP OTHERS not to make the same mistake?

 

[1ce]

Again, i would say many Members would wholeheartly agree, that raising awareness about the possible consequences of ones actions is a noble thing to do. The problem is, that you appear to believe, that verbal punishment is a reasonable means to attain that goal....or to "make" someone change.

To me, change always comes from your heart - a nurtured and loved heart i may add. A basic level of respect and acceptance is somthin i wish for all members to establish through their communications.

Also, what else can you expect from ronaldo but acknowledgement of his mistakes?

do not blame dmt what so ever. the only one who is to blame is myself and myself only i realize that, i didnt want to post this thread or registering but i feel like some one might learn from this.

...and going the extra mile to HELP OTHERS not to make the same mistake?

You, Dreamer, Endlessness, and many others are correct. And I will take time to dwell on it, and realize a better way I could have responded. My immediate perception of OP's post was just another kid who treated DMT like a cheap high, and perhaps I was wrong.

OP take what you will from this: Most of my most incredible/spiritual journeys with DMT have always started negatively, as though the experience was testing me to see if I was ready, or deserving of the next part of the experience. Perhaps in your moment of absolute horror you were teetering on the edge of greatness.

 

[JustCurious.]

In my opinion a person should join the nexus before they touch DMT or ayahuasca. These incidents would simply not occur or would be much more of a rarity

 

[adam]

Also if I may add. Stop into the chat room and ask some questions and get some live feedback before consuming, surely someone there can advise proper dosages given a situation.

 

[benzyme]

I'd have to say......
with knowledge comes reponsibility...

 

[ronaldo]

Thanks everyone for your advice and care , this was definitely eye opening.gonna start with a brew now and be more cautious.
every state is different, police will not be contacted by paramedics unless a patient dies or becomes aggressive and threatening to the hospital staff.

 

[Valura]

Maybe I was wrong and this is real...

Anyway, good to hear you are more cautious now

 

[Jox]

endlessness,

I agree with you that harsh words go nowhere and are not in the sprit of Nexus, and you are my inspiration on how to handle online communication.

I was part of similar thread.

I post in suggestion area a short thread, and you can see how much attention it got.

I am responding to this thread, against my principal which is: - not to get involved in any discussion except the extraction aspect.

The reason is that my threads get deleted with asolutely no explanations. Last one was long one and it took me days to write it. It was almost academic, it had outside quotes and references.

Deleating threads with no comment, and not responding to threads I dont see as a very friendly attitude, and it is a silent spirit of Nexus. Indifference is aggression too.