Anyone else ever consider that extracting DMT is going to cause DMT plants to be made illegal?

[69ron]

Okay very good points but we have to remember DMT is in more plants than it is not and is actually in our bodies right now as I type this post. So what now....

This is the BIG BLACK HOLE in these laws, and I am sure it will be exploited in the BBB case. There are far too many things that contain DMT. I would guess over 1000 plants and animals contains it. So the law as it is is nonsense and needs to be rewritten. It was made during a time when it was not known that DMT was pretty much everywhere, even in us. The law is dated and not enforceable in my opinion. I think this can be shown in court easily. I could bring in the neighborhood cop as an example to show the court, stating this cop contains DMT and so, by the nature of the current law, this cop is illegal, and so is the judge, and all members of the jury. You could then bring in a patch of grass from the court lawn with tests showing that it too tests positive for DMT. There are many examples of how ridiculous that law is now. If you can show that the very grass on the court lawn contains DMT, it would make the whole case look really stupid right away. No one is going to lock you up, if the judge himself is working at a building where DMT is growing right on their property!

But as for LSA and mescaline, that’s a different story. Those are not commonplace, and laws outlawing them are easily enforced.

 

[69ron]

I think the law concerning DMT is ridiculous and any intelligent judge would see just how ridiculous it is if the point is made clear. I don't see any judge locking you up if the very grass that grows outside their court contains DMT. "Intent" is a different matter, and I'm not talking about that. If you intended to sell mimosa for its DMT content, that's a whole different ball game. But if you intended to sell it for use in making dye or skin care products, that defense will work very well I believe.

 

[69ron]

What bothers me more than anything is that this BBB case has seriously scared a lot of people. It seems to me that there are less posts on all of these forums now. There are less people bidding on mimosa on eBay and less sellers on eBay selling mimosa now. Many of the big time vendors no longer carry mimosa. Everyone is scared by this case. I imagine many vendors will go out of business because of this. That is sad.

I even see places in California that no longer sell mimosa because of this situation. It’s made both buyers and sellers nervous. If this continues long enough, I fear the whole thing is going to collapse and you won’t find mimosa anywhere on-line. No one wants to be the last vendor selling mimosa, so as these vendors start to drop it, more vendors drop it at a faster rate. Eventually all of them will drip it. This is my greatest fear at the moment.

SWIM has no way of getting access to DMT or bufotenine without these on-line vendors, and will have to start using LSD and other things like that again.

That will be the outcome. People will start buying LSD again once all the vendors stop selling DMT plant sources. It will be a boost to LSD sales. LSD probably has more potential to benefit mankind anyway, so maybe it’s not such a bad thing.

 

[quiksilver98]

What bothers me more than anything is that this BBB case has seriously scared a lot of people. It seems to me that there are less posts on all of these forums now. There are less people bidding on mimosa on eBay and less sellers on eBay selling mimosa now. Many of the big time vendors no longer carry mimosa. Everyone is scared by this case. I imagine many vendors will go out of business because of this. That is sad.

I even see places in California that no longer sell mimosa because of this situation. It’s made both buyers and sellers nervous. If this continues long enough, I fear the whole thing is going to collapse and you won’t find mimosa anywhere on-line. No one wants to be the last vendor selling mimosa, so as these vendors start to drop it, more vendors drop it at a faster rate. Eventually all of them will drip it. This is my greatest fear at the moment.

SWIM has no way of getting access to DMT or bufotenine without these on-line vendors, and will have to start using LSD and other things like that again.

That will be the outcome. People will start buying LSD again once all the vendors stop selling DMT plant sources. It will be a boost to LSD sales. LSD probably has more potential to benefit mankind anyway, so maybe it’s not such a bad thing.

I think LSD is better for explorng ones inner cproblems more than discovering the universe, but thats not to say that it cant. What brought you to the conclusion that lsd willhelp mankind more? im just curious, I think both can hep equally but DMt a little mroe so because it enables communication witht he plant spirits.

 

[69ron]

I think LSD is better for explorng ones inner cproblems more than discovering the universe, but thats not to say that it cant. What brought you to the conclusion that lsd willhelp mankind more? im just curious, I think both can hep equally but DMt a little mroe so because it enables communication witht he plant spirits.

DMT and LSD are very different. There’s really no comparison.

DMT is much more of a spiritual experience. It can help you out spiritually. LSD is like an intellectual magnifying glass. It exposes problems to you in your environment and yourself and forces you to confront them. That is why the 60’s were filled with so many protests. It was in part fueled by massive LSD usage by the younger crowd of that time period. DMT is a more inward and spiritual experience. It doesn’t expose all the problems in the world around you like LSD does. In that way LSD is more beneficial to mankind. It forces mankind to look at things, reevaluate them, and try to fix them if they need fixing. DMT is more beneficial to you on a spiritual level. They are almost worlds apart in what they do.

 

[69ron]

Maybe one should buy 50kg of Fabric Dye (from JJS) now, to prepare a nice lifetime supply.

I think most people are afraid the FDA will investigate purchases of that scale if the vendor is shut down. You know, if the FDA does investigate buyers (not likely), they will start with the buyers who purchased the largest amounts of mimosa. Those will be their first targets. So rather than buy a bunch from 1 vendor, you should buy small amounts from many vendors. That way you risk less personally, and help encourage more vendors to stock mimosa.

Mimosa sales generate tax money, so there is some incentive for the government to allow mimosa to be sold. If they make it completely illegal by banning it by plant name (as they do with marijuana), they will not generate tax money from its sales. Sales will dwindle, and the sales of LSD will increase. LSD is better suited for the black market than mimosa is. It’s much smaller, easier to smuggle, and harder to trace.

As mimosa usage drops, LSD usage will go up. I guarantee that will happen. The FDA will not get rid of psychedelic usage by the people. That's just not possible.

 

[quiksilver98]

@quiksilver98 Don't you know? "There is no peer-published scientific proof of 'spirits' or 'the spiritual dimension'." :lol:

There is no evidence that any spiritual concepts are true.

There is no evidence that DMT has anything to do with spirit worlds.

... stop making up these pointless theories and donate money to real scientists ...

@69ron I think you're right about the possibility that mimosa will become rare soon.

Maybe one should buy 50kg of Fabric Dye (from JJS) now, to prepare a nice lifetime supply.

@ Burnt there is no way you can use physical to test for spirit dimension, You can get glimses but thats about it. There is no proof SCIENTIFICALLY that we even have a concsious because its supernatural. One brainscans it jsut shows what part is active but it doesnt have one central part that is always active which would be the mind and tha because our spirit activates everything.

@69ron I completely agree with what you are saying. LSD tteaches you about you and your problems more soo, it keeps you within your head whereas mushrooms, dmt, ayahuasca connect you to something greater.

Lucky for me I dont believe the FDA applies here in Canada soo I cen help SWIM get what he needs

 

[The Traveler]

What bothers me more than anything is that this BBB case has seriously scared a lot of people. It seems to me that there are less posts on all of these forums now.

Just a little chiming in here. The amount of posts on the DMT-Nexus seems to keep on growing steadily. February Was the most busy month ever for the nexus and it seems that March might even break that record with over 10.000 posts!

One thing though for this statistics: The CEL section has more as 1200 post already and adds significantly to the total number of posts. It's hard to say if those posts weren't made that other posts would be made in their place (members keep visiting and posting).


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[Pokey]

I'm not scared. I ordered up some MHRB right after I made a donation to Jon's defense fund just to feel free. It arrived quicker than last time I ordered, and customs didn't even open it this time! They'll never stop us.

Pokey

 

[hummus]

A few points I want to make:
Even if these plants do happen to be illegal, so what? Seriously, who apart from those who're actually growing the plants even know what they look like? poppies, cannabis etc is very easily identifiable, but unless you're growing a plantation of it in your backyard, which you really don't need for personal use, a few leafy plants or a patch of ornamental grass really isn't going to get noticed. I seriously doubt that as long as you had thrown away all your equipment with traces of dmt/plant extracts, even if they did find your dmt, if you just had some plants on the windowsill or in the garden they'd even bat an eyelash at them. Of course it'd be a different story if you had a room of plants growing under electric lighting, even then people often grow wheatgrass this way ..
I think the key is to do the extractions carefully and quietly, and disposing of all evidence.
And tbh, there's so many plants out there containing DMT, a lot of them having legitimate reasons for use, that it's very unlikely they'll get all of them, especially as a lot of them grow wild and will never be controlled (can you really imagine them searching out all phalaris grass plants like they do with cannabis?)
And at least here, the government only really start seriously making attempts to make things illegal when somebody dies from a substance, I've not heard of any deaths from DMT so far, and it'd be great if it could be kept that way.
I think people just need to grow these plants and have ways to sustain them, either by having perennial plants, ones that are self-seeding or finding ways to collect and plant the seeds again, and that this should be done now instead of waiting for them to be made illegal.
Also in agreement with not selling it, and distributing it quietly and discreetly to people you can trust.
Illegal does not mean unobtainable, the history of prohibition has definitely taught us that.

 

[Blundering_Novice]

Its in WAYYYY too many plants for all of them to be made illegal. The state I live in has Reed Canary grass up the ying yang.

I think whats really important though has been mentioned by others here. Don't post stupid stuff on youtube (ala the Sativa nonsense), don't turn it into a street drug for sale, dont encourage stupid 15 year olds to do it, etc etc.