Are multivitamin pills a problem ?

[omega-scar]

I have not thout about this until today , i read on some other forum a post in which somebody said multivitamin pills might interfere with the trip.

I am currently taking Supradyn Energy...which is basically a classic multivitamin pill with an accent on B-vitamins (about 300% of daily recommended dose) on each type of B.

Would this be problem ? I will be doing Aya next week.


And another question: there are so many "do not eat" categories , that I am not sure what would be ideal. Can you give me real examples of this you actually eat the day before Aya ?

 

[christian]

Look at the list!

As long as they don't contain anything from it= no worries.BUT, you might wanna avoid them and instead eat healthy weeks b4 aya. Aya wants you to live right, not eat crap and pop a vit pill.

Aya love you, crap food and vit pill doesn't!!

 

[Eliyahu]

I have not thout about this until today , i read on some other forum a post in which somebody said multivitamin pills might interfere with the trip.

I am currently taking Supradyn Energy...which is basically a classic multivitamin pill with an accent on B-vitamins (about 300% of daily recommended dose) on each type of B.

Would this be problem ? I will be doing Aya next week.


And another question: there are so many "do not eat" categories , that I am not sure what would be ideal. Can you give me real examples of this you actually eat the day before Aya ?

The tyramine thing has been pretty much completely debunked from what I have learned during the course of my membership here at the Nexus.

Although I would still for sure avoid anything with MSG, Apartame or large amounts of salt. Ofcourse the drug interction thing still applies... I have had reactions to soy sauce.

BTW multi-vitamins are basically a scam, I only know this because I worked at a health food/vitamin store for a few years. The only way to truly absorb vitamins is by way of your diet. Most multivitamin ingredients are just peed out.

Some vitamins are absorbable in pill form however, Vitamin B is one of these.

 

[omega-scar]

christian: I guess you are going to accuse me of being superficial and stuff, but I don't really know what list are you referring to. Maybe post a link or something. Also, the reason I am taking multivitamins is because of all the restrictions the aya diet imposes. Maybe, if you would be kind enough to provide a list , or a menu you like to eat before taking aya. That would be helpfull

Eliyahu: thanx for the info, but I can personally attest that the multivitamin I take has some effect on me. It makes me feel better and less tired (I am suffering from a constant horrible accute chronic fatigue). It made me feel better from the first day I took it. I don't mean to contradict people here. I am just posting my own experience.

thank you everybody

 

[Toloache]

So maybe it's not the healthier of the meals... But it doesn't break any rules and it's fully maoi compatible. You buy 2 hg of cured ham, and some cream cheese (philadelphia if they sell it where you live). Then basically you cut the cheese in scales, and roll the ham around these little scales ( http://www.prosciuttirosa.it/sito/f...49/Involtini+delicati+con+Prosciutto+Rosa.jpg ) .

This recipe is maoi safe, no tyramine should be contained in thos foods, it's relatively light and tasty.

Hope this help

 

[jamie]

I take a whole food sourced B complex before and after because my logic is that when you get into those states of consciousness you are burning far more energy than normal..your brain is hyper-active so it makes sense it might use more vitamines and nutrients durring that time..it's like driving faster uphill and your car using more gas..it only makes sense. It definatly wont hurt you.

 

[Eliyahu]

christian: I guess you are going to accuse me of being superficial and stuff, but I don't really know what list are you referring to. Maybe post a link or something. Also, the reason I am taking multivitamins is because of all the restrictions the aya diet imposes. Maybe, if you would be kind enough to provide a list , or a menu you like to eat before taking aya. That would be helpfull

Eliyahu: thanx for the info, but I can personally attest that the multivitamin I take has some effect on me. It makes me feel better and less tired (I am suffering from a constant horrible accute chronic fatigue). It made me feel better from the first day I took it. I don't mean to contradict people here. I am just posting my own experience.

thank you everybody

Sorry I don't mean to sound all anti-vitamin, If it's working for you then by all means continue..

 

[christian]

christian: I guess you are going to accuse me of being superficial and stuff, but I don't really know what list are you referring to. Maybe post a link or something. Also, the reason I am taking multivitamins is because of all the restrictions the aya diet imposes. Maybe, if you would be kind enough to provide a list , or a menu you like to eat before taking aya. That would be helpfull

I'm not making any accusations, just offering advice. Here's the list link:

http://www.ayahuasca.com/science/what-foods-and-drugs-need-to-be-avoided/

Although multivitamins should be fine, if they have other stuff added like ginseng, etc, there may be some interaction. Please refer to medicines part also. Reading down, someone asked for multivitamins to be put on the avoid list since they believe they contributed to a side effect.

Personally i would stop taking them a couple of days before the ceremony. Like Eliyaha said, it's a fallacy to think you need them. They are not a replacement for a healthy diet.

 

[jamie]

"Reading down, someone asked for multivitamins to be put on the avoid list since they believe they contributed to a side effect"

people say all kinds of silly things though. A multivitamine is not going to cause side effects unless there are some other non-vitamine things added that are contra-indicated..which seems unlikely. I dont see any really practical reason to avoid them. Again, I would say you might be better of with it.

"it's a fallacy to think you need them"

Source?

 

[Infundibulum]

Out of curiosity, I'd love to see an explanation of what's wrong with multivitamins. How do the mechanics work here? Pleas do not link me to websites, I'd love to hear people's sediment on that, preferably with cited sttements.

I personally think that, should you feel that your diet is lacking and this lack cannot be supplemented by other means (for what-ever reason) then you take (multi) vitamin pills. From the pill your body needs, the rest gets secreted. Is something wrong with this way of thinking?

 

[christian]

I distinctly remember reading that taking daily multivitamins caused premature death believe it or not. Wether this had anything to do with pple thinking they could get away with a poor diet, i don't know.

However, i must admit that i USED to be one of these people who would have his multivitamins, calcium and magnesiun, vitamin c, high potency b vits, etc. Now i don't bother, i just eat high protein, exercise daily, keep active.

Exercise is KEY to enable your body to extract the goodness from food, and IMO, this is FAR more important than consuming stuff that may not be absorbed or even transported to where it supposedly should go. Plus the fact, if nature intended us to have vitamin pills we would have them. We don't, they're un natural.

Eat natural, stay active, live the life..rant over.

 

[Infundibulum]

I distinctly remember reading that taking daily multivitamins caused premature death believe it or not. Wether this had anything to do with pple thinking they could get away with a poor diet, i don't know.

Source? (peer reviewed if possible please)

Exercise is KEY to enable your body to extract the goodness from food, and IMO, this is FAR more important than consuming stuff that may not be absorbed or even transported to where it supposedly should go.

There is no doubt that with a healthy lifestyle you do not need multivitamins - but the question is, are they harmful if you take them as part of a healthy lifestyle? I reason that if you take excess of a given vitamin, it will either be stored for use when needed or it'll be secreted. How is it different and what happens if one takes more of a given vitamin from nutrition alone? is he in danger?

Plus the fact, if nature intended us to have vitamin pills we would have them. We don't, they're un natural.

You're really not going to go far with such arguments, I hope you do not need to be explained why.

 

[christian]

I distinctly remember reading that taking daily multivitamins caused premature death believe it or not. Wether this had anything to do with pple thinking they could get away with a poor diet, i don't know.

Source? (peer reviewed if possible please)

Vitamin pills and supplements taken by millions of women 'do more harm than good'

A study involving nearly 39,000 women has found multivitamins, vitamin B, folic acid, iron, magnesium and copper all increased the statistical risk of premature death.

www.dailymail.co.uk

That's my input. TBH, i think it's a very personal topic, and anybody can choose to do what they like to their body, as long as they don't harm others in the process. But hey, i'm no preacher. The way i see it is that life is huge, and it doesn't make sense to eat crap and pop a vit pill hoping you can do this for life and be healthy. A healthy life is an active one, involving a balanced diet which SHOULD NOT require supplementation, unless you have some kinda vitamin deficiency, etc.

-Don't fall for those vitamin supplement company endoresd statements that change their story all the time like certain men's health magazines, they are a business after all.

My 2 cents.8)

 

[jamie]

"Plus the fact, if nature intended us to have vitamin pills we would have them. We don't, they're un natural."

That is such a fallacy.

You do know right, that we DO in fact have vitamin pills!

Dont believe me? I have a jar of 100% whole food sourced organic vitamine pills in cubbord as we speak..I can take a picture for you if you like

What is so "unnatural" about that? All the vitamines is the B-complex I take after a trip comes from organic sources plants and bacteria..none of it is synthetic or comes from a lab? Is it because some animal called a human made a some full spectrum extract of various plants and bacteria that makes it somehow "unnatural"?

Could we then say that bee honey and pollen is unnatural because the bees extract it from the flowers?

What about ayahuasca? I dont see cooking fires or water extractions taking place outside of human culture..

Nor do I see seeds being freebased with seashells outside of human culture..

You should probly avoid smoothies as well because food being blended up together with water is not a natural process either..

 

[christian]

C'mon jamie, i don't mean it like that.

A healthy life is highly subjective. To some a front page photo of a man cut with perfect abs= perfect fitness, to others a yogi with skinny supple body and rounded tummy= even healthier.

I don't wanna preach, but i don't think nature intended us to cram 6 fruits in our bodies at once, as in a smoothie, or 100, as in vitamin pill.

-Why not let the body focus on 1 fruit, 1 protein, 1 at the time....

Each to their own. Life is a personal process of trying things out for YOURSELF and finding out what works for YOU. Forget the rat race- if they wanna believe what the health industry/ pharma industry tells them- thats their own choice. I'll leave it to that.:thumb_up:

As Terence would say, "Create your own life, stop consuming crap made by the bones of a dying race!".. :lol:

 

[soulfood]

I've found the following to notabley enhance psychoactive substances in a comfortable way:

Vitamin C - Seems to add a mental clarity.
Magnesium - Adds physical comfort.
Tryptophan - Can add a feeling of well-being and a smoother transition between those ups and downs.

I don't believe I've ever received negative effects from taking high doses of nutrients from either wholefoods or extracted sources.

I do feel a considerable benefit in eating wholefoods over supplements, but supplements are certainly better than nothing.

 

[Infundibulum]

Vitamin pills and supplements taken by millions of women 'do more harm than good'

A study involving nearly 39,000 women has found multivitamins, vitamin B, folic acid, iron, magnesium and copper all increased the statistical risk of premature death.

www.dailymail.co.uk

That's my input. TBH, i think it's a very personal topic, and anybody can choose to do what they like to their body, as long as they don't harm others in the process. But hey, i'm no preacher. The way i see it is that life is huge, and it doesn't make sense to eat crap and pop a vit pill hoping you can do this for life and be healthy. A healthy life is an active one, involving a balanced diet which SHOULD NOT require supplementation, unless you have some kinda vitamin deficiency, etc.

-Don't fall for those vitamin supplement company endoresd statements that change their story all the time like certain men's health magazines, they are a business after all.

My 2 cents.8)

Thanks for the link, even though it should be stated that said study does not demonstrate exactly what it says on the title and that there is also a short commentary re the flaws and limitation of the study.

I also think that the topic not as personal as you state. Sure it is personal to decide whether you'll take then or not. But you can reason, support, refute ideas and scientific studies to reach to educated conclusions. I agree that it feels flawed to eat junk food and take vitamins on top of that (analogous to adding a diet coke on top of a gluttonous diet), but could it REALLY work?

So, you got someone who eats junk food but supplements his deficiency by taking a, say, well formulated vitamin supplement regime. Is he doing himself worse by taking the pills? Or is he putting himself in a better, healthier position? This is not a discussion about personal opinions, it is a discussion about evidence that supports or refutes said ideas.

 

[christian]

I've found the following to notabley enhance psychoactive substances in a comfortable way:

Vitamin C - Seems to add a mental clarity.
Magnesium - Adds physical comfort.
Tryptophan - Can add a feeling of well-being and a smoother transition between those ups and downs.

Yes, that's fair play. But taking potent doses of magnesium, vit c, or trypt, is like taking a pharmaceutical drug. I agree they may be useful when potentiating certain substances for research, but i wouldn't make them a daily habit, personally.

So, you got someone who eats junk food but supplements his deficiency by taking a, say, well formulated vitamin supplement regime. Is he doing himself worse by taking the pills? Or is he putting himself in a better, healthier position?

I understand what you're saying, Infin., but TBH people need to wise up, and get real. High potency vitamin and mineral pills are like taking drugs. You're not eating food in a natural form/dose, etc. If people would clean their bodies out, eat sensibly they would feel calmer, healthier, happier, grounded, at ease.

If pple choose to eat crap, get obese, die young, then that is their own choice. We are all gonna die, so make your life a life you wanna live. If a vit pill helps, pop one, i don't bother and still can workout hard every day. Believe me, if i felt like i would benefit, i would pop, but sofar not!

 

[corpus callosum]

I think its important to regard vitamins as drugs ie have a phsiological action when introduced into the body, and as we all here know, all drugs are not the same.The action, metabolism, capacity to be stored, risks of high levels etc varies from one vitamin to the next.

For this reason I think this discussion which seems to lump all vitamins together misses an important point.And, as is the case with the compounds we all have a passion for, more is not necessarily better.

In the absence of disease, those whose diet is lacking AND have the means/opportunity to correct this would be advised to use the dietary adjustment approach first, in the case of most of the vitamins.

 

[polytrip]

Smoking weed is probably much worse than eating a piza every now and then.(PAC´s, carbonmonoxide, etc.)