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blig-blug's Ayahuasca experience log

The first of them is feeling very cold despite it being 20C and me being under two blankets, one of them made of thick wool. My feet seem to actually get cold to touch.

The second is feeling at times like one is about to pass out. It feels very "physical", not psychological. Similar to when one is very sleep deprived and can't help but fall asleep for a moment, but with fainting instead of falling asleep. Sometimes it feels like I did pass out for a moment, I'm unsure if it actually happens or not.
Hi blig-blug, I've been enjoying the thread you've got going on here. Thanks. With respect to being cold and feeling about to faint, I get the same with aya and associate it with a drop in blood pressure. I added a cheap BP cuff to my tripping accessories and monitor it when I can. It's interesting what the different drugs do to my blood pressure.
 
Hi blig-blug, I've been enjoying the thread you've got going on here. Thanks. With respect to being cold and feeling about to faint, I get the same with aya and associate it with a drop in blood pressure. I added a cheap BP cuff to my tripping accessories and monitor it when I can. It's interesting what the different drugs do to my blood pressure.
Did you pay your tab non-fictionallie and it don't mlatter.
 
Acacia is maybe a bit easier body wise, and it's a nicer journey too. This plant is warm and cheerful in comparison to cold and sharp mimosa.
But you still need an egg-white filtration step. Barks have lots of tannins. Both of them are unsustainable for oral consumption, imo.
You can get a few years of serious work with them for sure, but you are going to part ways at some point.

Egg-white filtration is entirely optional. Never done it. All I needed was to make sure I filtered the brew cleanly through a good tea-shirt.

The tannins seem to have no long-lasting effects on the digestive system ~ no more than normal tea, anyways.

If they're not sustainable ~ what do you propose as a suitably strong alternative?

Mimosa / Acacia tea is easy to prepare:
Powder your material > Cook in 30ml/g water at PH4 for 2–3 hours > filter coarse plant bits with sieve> let it sit overnight and filter again with cotton>
do an egg-white filtration, use coffee filter> reduce to drinking volume > let it sit in a fridge for a few days and filter again with coffee filter> reboil with honey before 1st use

All I do is 3x3 vigorous boils, using white vinegar. Filter through a teashirt each time. Combined washes, reduce. Done. Only the Confusa has noticeable sediment ~ but that has actives, no doubt, so won't toss that.

Coffee filters would be superior to t-shirt, but it takes time. You end up with quite digestible tea that way.

I've always found coffee filters annoying. I'd just use cotton buds if I care.

Rue + mimosa / acacia is not traditional, and rue isn't aya. I do add a bit of rue to my mimosa tea to boost harmalas if I would redose.
I drank one dose 20min apart for years with good results. Aya works a bit different.

I've worked with Ayahuasca for a few years ~ to the point that Syrian Rue + Confusa veer on being very Ayahuasca-like for me.

I've had Mother Ayahuasca shown up on my journeys on occasion, helping guide it where needed.

I'm glad for you. Still, we are all different physiologically and not everyone gets sure effects from oral brew, like @doubledog mentioned.
When we find our workable recipe, we tend to stick with it for better or worse.
Purge has its place with oral use and I can easily make a brew that gonna work this way even for you

All the best

I just let the purge happen now, if it needs to happen. I leave it to the plant spirits to decide. They seem wiser than me in this regard.
 
I always purge during aya session. I always had a sensitive stomach/body, so I am quite used to it. I would really like to avoid puking sometimes, but I did not find any way how to achieve it.
What I appreciate more is purging from different orifice 😃, not so unpleasant and feels much more as cleansing.
In general, purge itself is not a pleasant experience, but it is a sign of intensity.

Some people claim that it depends mainly on your energetic "purity", but my observation is that it is just a matter of personal sensitivity. But who knows, I am not an expert, I just love how a world shines filled with beauty and life afted aya.

I've found that it depends quite a bit on my emotional state, and whether the plant spirits think I need it.

Lately, they've taken to just energetically pulling stuff out of me. Second-last trip, I went to some realm, and the entities did a ceremony where black sludge poured out of my chest and throat, being sucked into the sky. Took a while to drain.
 
I think given enough caapi, purging is kind of inevitable. I always purge with aya too, and it feels like a part of the process.
It feels like this energetic 'purity' comes with the right environment (deep jungle), a clean diet, and constant work with plants.
It's kind of impossible for modern people to replicate.
🙏

Maybe I have done enough work with the plant spirits, then... it seems accepting the process goes a long way, therefore they can remove stuff other ways.
 
Egg-white filtration is entirely optional. Never done it. All I needed was to make sure I filtered the brew cleanly through a good tea-shirt.
The tannins seem to have no long-lasting effects on the digestive system ~ no more than normal tea, anyways.
You seem to have a very strong stomach based on your responses and preparation method.
Tannins are one hell of a load on the body in my experience.

If they're not sustainable ~ what do you propose as a suitably strong alternative?
I don't know about you, but barks felt unhealthy and unbalanced after some years.
It's not only tannins. Some other stuff is in there too. They don't play very well with rue either and overpower it.
I'd say barks are better for something like changa. Traditional light sources are more sustainable, but not everything works well with rue.
My intuition right now is mushrooms. I feel rue and mushrooms could be a good long-term combo.

I've worked with Ayahuasca for a few years ~ to the point that Syrian Rue + Confusa veer on being very Ayahuasca-like for me.
I've had Mother Ayahuasca shown up on my journeys on occasion, helping guide it where needed.
It's very personal to you. Rue is not Aya and never gonna be Aya. You talk about spirits, and these two are very different spirits.
Aya is a lot heavier in feel and has a very different ceremony. What is “Mother Ayahuasca” is quite debatable, too.

Maybe I have done enough work with the plant spirits, then... it seems accepting the process goes a long way, therefore they can remove stuff other ways.
Maybe, maybe not. I don't know you, but you seem to have a strong body, able to digest medicine well.
You are right about accepting the process, but it's not everything. Lots of factors we don't know are at play here.
If you seriously work with Acacia and go deep as you say, she'll show you out. That's my experience.

P.S. I disagree with lots of your points, because they don't resonate.
Possibly you opened yourself up and found some other direction in this work.
But I won't believe it until I see it with my own eyes. I'm just that kind of character.
So I hope you take no offense. I want to be open and clear about my attitude.

🙏
 
Hi blig-blug, I've been enjoying the thread you've got going on here. Thanks. With respect to being cold and feeling about to faint, I get the same with aya and associate it with a drop in blood pressure. I added a cheap BP cuff to my tripping accessories and monitor it when I can. It's interesting what the different drugs do to my blood pressure.
I'm curious about that too, I may do that in the future. I was also considering one of those cheap devices to measure blood sugar, I suspect there's an important blood sugar drop with aya-level doses of harmalas. It's not like it will change anything for me to know that, but I would like to satisfy my curiosity. It would also be interesting to monitor body temperature. It wouldn't surprise me if it was elevated.

The tannins seem to have no long-lasting effects on the digestive system ~ no more than normal tea, anyways.
I agree with @northape that you seem to have a very good response to tannins. Unfortunately, it's not my case! If tea did to my stomach what mimosa is doing, I would never even touch it :LOL:
 
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I agree with @northape that you seem to have a very good response to tannins. Unfortunately, it's not my case! If tea did to my stomach what mimosa is doing likely, I would never even touch it :LOL:
It depends on how long one drinks medicine, too. Folk tales say that tannins strengthen your stomach. It was not my experience.
I started very similar to @Valmar and filtered my brews with a kitchen towel for years. And I could tolerate brews heavy on tannins.
Today, I'd never touch such a brew. It's simply too heavy on the body and translates into psychological heaviness in a ceremony.
🙏
 
You seem to have a very strong stomach based on your responses and preparation method.
Tannins are one hell of a load on the body in my experience.

Before I added craploads of pear juice, I would throw up often, sometimes within 10 minutes. Filtering properly with a good teashirt also made a world of difference. I made sure the liquids were basically clear of sediment before reducing.

So, I don't know whether a strong stomach has anything to do with it ~ or just acclimation to the brew in general.

I don't know about you, but barks felt unhealthy and unbalanced after some years.
It's not only tannins. Some other stuff is in there too. They don't play very well with rue either and overpower it.
I'd say barks are better for something like changa. Traditional light sources are more sustainable, but not everything works well with rue.
My intuition right now is mushrooms. I feel rue and mushrooms could be a good long-term combo.

What would the barks work well with, then? I'm not a smoking sort of person ~ I like liquids.

Over time, the effects of the brews have become easier to handle psychologically and physically. Like I've been strengthened by repeated practice or something.

I have been considering Psilocybin, mind you ~ I've been feeling a draw to them lately.

It's very personal to you. Rue is not Aya and never gonna be Aya. You talk about spirits, and these two are very different spirits.
Aya is a lot heavier in feel and has a very different ceremony. What is “Mother Ayahuasca” is quite debatable, too.

Syrian Rue takes me into an Ayahuasca sort of headspace. It's because of the relationship I built with the spirit that seems to allow it to flow through even with Syrian Rue.

I find Syrian Rue to be a bit similar to Caapi, at least in terms of how it affects me personally.

Mother Ayahuasca appears to me as a very feminine presence ~ in many guises, actually.

Maybe, maybe not. I don't know you, but you seem to have a strong body, able to digest medicine well.
You are right about accepting the process, but it's not everything. Lots of factors we don't know are at play here.
If you seriously work with Acacia and go deep as you say, she'll show you out. That's my experience.

Show me out? Perhaps that is your journey. My journey... I don't know where it will lead. I'm just here to learn and heal.

P.S. I disagree with lots of your points, because they don't resonate.
Possibly you opened yourself up and found some other direction in this work.
But I won't believe it until I see it with my own eyes. I'm just that kind of character.
So I hope you take no offense. I want to be open and clear about my attitude.

Yeah, that's fine. There is so much stuff I never used to believe, either.
 
Before I added craploads of pear juice, I would throw up often, sometimes within 10 minutes. Filtering properly with a good teashirt also made a world of difference. I made sure the liquids were basically clear of sediment before reducing.

So, I don't know whether a strong stomach has anything to do with it ~ or just acclimation to the brew in general.
I think it's both actually ;)
What would the barks work well with, then? I'm not a smoking sort of person ~ I like liquids.

Over time, the effects of the brews have become easier to handle psychologically and physically. Like I've been strengthened by repeated practice or something.

I have been considering Psilocybin, mind you ~ I've been feeling a draw to them lately.
I feel like mushrooms would be a good candidate 😘
Barks are just too harsh on the body/mind long-term, even if you get accustomed to them somewhat.
Syrian Rue takes me into an Ayahuasca sort of headspace. It's because of the relationship I built with the spirit that seems to allow it to flow through even with Syrian Rue.

I find Syrian Rue to be a bit similar to Caapi, at least in terms of how it affects me personally.

Mother Ayahuasca appears to me as a very feminine presence ~ in many guises, actually.
Maybe, I won't argue. This work is very personal, and we develop our own relationship with plants.
I mostly feel a feminine spirit from the medicine too. However, it's heavily based on my psyche and conditioning.
Medicine uses images that are already in the mind and works with them, imo.
Show me out? Perhaps that is your journey. My journey... I don't know where it will lead. I'm just here to learn and heal.
Sure, don't apply my words directly to yourself or your path. It's just another angle on things.
I worked with Acacia for 10 years and went as far as I could. It was a conscious decision on my part to stop.
Don't fixate too much on my wording. I mean, that Acacia can lead you to a point. How far is that point for you, I don't know.
My intuition told me that I gonna physically die or won't return, past a certain stage. We're all different, maybe it works out better for you.
All the best with Acacia 🍀❤️
Yeah, that's fine. There is so much stuff I never used to believe, either.
🤗
 
X log update:

Dose: 230mg harmala freebase @ T-00:40 + 40mg DMT freebase @ T+00:00 + 30mg DMT @ T+1:30. In orange juice, with empty stomach. Ate a slice of bread with the first DMT dose.

As I had recently completed an extraction, I decided to try pure DMT instead of mimosa brew to see if it was easier in my stomach. At the beginning, instead of laying down I sat on the bed to be able to hopefully burp any gas instead of holding it in my stomach. This time I wasn't feeling the harmala effects that strong at the beginning. As I sat there, I started to have gas appear in my stomach once again. Some blue blobs of light started appearing, and from there it quickly rose in intensity, and I saw a transparent silhouette drinking a cup of red liquid. Soon I felt that I had to vomit due to the gas, there was no chance of holding it in. When attempting to vomit nothing came out, but I immediately felt better, as if I had actually vomited. Just after that, the intensity of the experience went up by surprise and I had to lay down. What followed was quite confusing, there were some memories from my childhood and other personal issues, and at points the physical sensations of energy were so strong it felt as if I were going to dissolve. It proceeded in very marked waves of strong effects divided by short calm moments with much more subtler effects. The first wave was the strongest, and from there each peak was lower and lower, until returning to baseline (except for the harmala effects).

I was somewhat puzzled, as the experience had happened so fast that I felt I couldn't really remember it well, and apparently it had been over in half an hour. When I went to the kitchen to redose, I saw that actually one and a half hours had passed. I was slightly apprehensive to redose but at the same time encouraged by the lack of bad stomach effects other than some gas, so I took another 30mg in orange juice. Quickly after laying down I felt the effects again appear and escalate really fast. (In what follows, I will just say what it appeared to be in the moment, that doesn't mean I necessarily think what I experienced and saw was literally true. Also, many things are omitted because I don't remember them well or at all, so assume gaps between the different scenes).

Next thing I know, I was in a place that somehow was the inside of my mind. There was a committee of beings forming a circle. A "nerve signal" had arrived to the room, and they were discussing what signal to send back in reaction. I couldn't hear them saying anything, but it was clear that that's what they were doing. The beings looked like those pictures of "biblically accurate angels", but their shapes were more complex, and they had different strange objects rotating around them instead of wheels:
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After that, I saw nerves, blood vessels and discarnate organs glowing in a space of total darkness, and I somehow was connected with them. And I understood that I was experienced what I experienced as a fetus "the moment my spirit entered my body". Then I saw a row of fetus forming, and their spirits were waiting for them to be ready to go inside them. I saw how shocking connecting with the body is at first for the spirits, the difficulties they have learning to control the body. Then, I saw how when they're born they don't understand the world they're born into, as it's very different from the world they come from, and how they're punished and forced to forget all they know about the world they come from. All of this was extremely familiar to me and just how things are.

At that point (after many more things that I don't remember) suddenly I got some faint sensations from my body. So then I myself was shocked, I had forgotten all about it until that moment as I was totally disconnected from it. I felt how the bodily sensations "pulled" me "back into normal reality". However it was far from over yet. At that point, I still felt in the "other world", and it was like a drug trip was starting, and the effects of said trip were the glimpses of awareness of my body and the "normal world" (that didn't seem normal at all). I was trying to understand how is it possible that the "normal world" exists at all, why is there such a strange and illusory place. Whereas the "other world" was just how things are, and the obvious normality.

As I was reconnecting more and more, I felt that the "normal world" was just Awareness. Yes, "my" awareness, but that awareness had nothing of "me", it wasn't "mine", it was everything and everybody. Hence Awareness. I could feel (and see, it's hard to explain but it appeared to be symbolized by a transparent, extremely symmetrical, hieratic human-like figure) said Awareness slowly focusing more and more in my body, slowly losing touch with everything else. I pondered about other people, are they Awareness? Can they see it? It came to me that in fact they were, but that it was not the moment to experience how said Awareness can be many subjective awareness-es at once.

Unrelatedly, it also came to me that in some cases people are born and don't have a chance to adapt well to "normal reality", and it's too late once they're older. Except that with this type of experience you get a chance to be born again and learn again, with the added benefit of experience and hindsight. I also saw how life was really a game that spirits play, and that some people get too lost in the game and believe it too much, and others are able to remember who they are but in some cases they give up too early and express their nature in this world, ruining the game (psychosis). The point is to play the game without either believing it too much or giving up. Another topic was my difficult relationship with my own body, how I resented that it was not as pure as the spirit, and how I actually shouldn't do that and should take care of it.

As I was slowly returning to baseline, I felt my awareness much more reduced but extremely clean. I realized I sometimes try to escape from the reality of who I am or from playing the game and cloud my awareness with negative activities, substances or thoughts. And I thought it's important that I keep it clean.

Once I was at baseline (but feeling much lighter and with a very clear mind), I tidied up a room in my house and mopped the floor. This felt just right.

This experience has been probably the most intense I've had (and I've had high doses of other psychedelics). Now I really understand the importance of integration, I have to process all these experiences. It's interesting that in many aspects they are very far away from how I see reality, there was a clear mind-matter dualism going on, and I even saw how both realms ("normal" world and "spirit" world) intersect in human beings. I'm not taking this experience literally and I don't believe I've seen how reality really is, but I'm also not closed to the possibility of part of it reflecting parts of reality. In a way, I think it does.
 
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So much blessings, congratulations!
Do you have any idea how long the experience lasted?
Thank you :)

I waited 40 minutes between the freebase harmalas and the first dose. Then, the first dose lasted around 1:30h. The second dose lasted around 2:30h, and the stronger harmala effects went down around two hours later (but I still have afterglow). So, the strong harmala effects lasted a little bit over 6:30h, and the DMT effects lasted around 4 hours.
 
As I was slowly returning to baseline, I felt my awareness much more reduced but extremely clean. I realized I sometimes try to escape from the reality of who I am or from playing the game and cloud my awareness with negative activities, substances or thoughts. And I thought it's important that I keep it clean.

Once I was at baseline (but feeling much lighter and with a very clear mind), I tidied up a room in my house and mopped the floor. This felt just right.
Congrats, it seems like you did it for real this time 🥳
I think the biggest benefit of working with medicine is when one starts to value a sober state more ;)

This experience has been probably the most intense I've had (and I've had high doses of other psychedelics). Now I really understand the importance of integration, I have to process all these experiences. It's interesting that in many aspects they are very far away from how I see reality, there was a clear mind-matter dualism going on, and I even saw how both realms ("normal" world and "spirit" world) intersect in human beings. I'm not taking this experience literally and I don't believe I've seen how reality really is, but I'm also not closed to the possibility of part of it reflecting parts of reality. In a way, I think it does.
Yes, integration makes sense. Good that you see its value yourself.
I feel like medicine indicates our level of awareness at the moment. Don't take any of it literally, because it's all just symbols.
Let it play out. See your limits and resistance. It's going to sort itself out and make you grow.
It expands beyond our logical understanding, and into the overall embodied perspective on reality.
Bon voyage 🙏

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I haven't updated the log on time, so I have a backlog of two experiences these past two weeks. I will write about both of them for completeness, but the relevant one here has been the last one.

For both of them, there's a difference in setting from the previous ones: now, I'm in a house in a rural area surrounded by forests and mountains, without neighbors or anything like that. So it's a much more positive setting. The experiences have been in the evening instead of the morning. I have waited after eating both times so my stomach would be empty, but for the second one, I ate too much and my stomach was clearly not empty enough.

XI log update:

Dose: 230mg harmala freebase @ T-00:40 + 40mg DMT freebase. In water acidified with vingegar, with empty stomach. Ate a slice of bread with the DMT dose.

The experience was very positive, although not too deep. It had many very colorful visuals, and I felt my mind was remarkably clear and I could think about my personal problems and difficult situations without my emotions interfering, while at the same time still feeling them deeply. The stomach discomfort was low, other than intestinal gas. I think that is due to the effect of DMT on the serotonin receptors in the intestines. Afterwards, I felt I had been cleansed inside, and with a positive mood.

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XII log update:

Dose: 250mg harmala freebase @ T-00:40 + 40mg DMT freebase @ T+00:00 + 30mg DMT @ T+1:30(?). In orange juice, with empty stomach. Ate a slice of bread with the first DMT dose.

For this experience, I moved to the attic instead of my room. There's a wool mattress there that is very comfortable. However, at this time of the year the attic gets relatively hot (between 25 and 30 C), and I think that may have had negative consequences. My intention for this experience was to examine and understand the irritability I sometimes feel, where it feels that my mind is too lazy or slow, and reacts with irritation. As I'm having strong allergies these days, I had a non-drowsy antihistamine a couple hours before. I think that was not a good idea and may have had a negative effect on my mental clarity.

After having the first dose, I relaxed on the mattress with my eyes closed and waited for the first effects to come, while listening to Indian ragas. The typical blobs of light appeared, and soon the intensity started to increase. However, with it some mental confusion started to appear too. Not too strong, but I was definitely not feeling clear headed. With it, I started having some strange sensations in my right eye and the area around it, like a slight buzzing. When the visuals got stronger, at points I could only "see" them through my left eye. My eyes were closed, but still it was somehow clear that I couldn't see the visuals through my right eye at some points, and the sensations in it increased, extending to the right half of my forehead and part of the head. It started to feel as if it were part of a different person that was stuck in my body.

At one point, I opened my eyes and noticed that apparently I could choose to look either from my left eye or from my right eye, the left eye being the default. I didn't stop seeing from the one I wasn't "looking from", but somehow it was clear that the image from it wasn't being processed. When "switching" from one eye to another, it was like I became a different version of myself: the right seemed to be associated with certain negative memories and difficult moments of my life.

Later, I noticed that there was a lot of tension in my right side neck muscles. I think that may have been the cause of the neck sensations, as lately some neck tension was apparently causing me pain in my right eye. It's interesting to me that I don't see well from my right eye (and haven't since I was a child).

Unfortunately, as I hadn't been careful enough with food today, I started having some serious nausea and stomach pain, that brought a negative mindset to it. I also was still feeling not clearheaded at all. I realized at that moment that the antihistamine was probably causing it: usually it's possible to feel a slight decrease in mental sharpness once it's effective, but as Ayahuasca amplifies everything that's in the mind, it's likely that the antihistamine side effects were being amplified too. In this same line, my mouth was completely dry with no saliva at all, when neither harmalas nor the antihistamine have this effect on me on their own.

Feeling that the effects were coming down, I made an effort and had the second DMT dose, fighting the nausea. Once the effects from the second dose started to appear, the nausea turned into stomach pain, and it started to feel more like a struggle. I could also feel my mental clarity decrease further and further.

At one point, I could see some mechanisms of my mind, like very simple whips or catapults that threw my mind from one to other side when something happened outside, and then other mechanisms reacted in response, and my mind bounced to a different direction. It was all extremely simple and rudimentary. Then I saw the mechanisms that create "wants" and "needs" and a feeling of identity (that last one was like a wooden mask), and I saw how evolution had created just the bare minimum that works to keep the organism alive, and that it was indeed supposed to be very rudimentary, hidden under layers that make it look complex and profound. I remembered in that moment that this same idea had come up during other experiences, but I had forgotten it. Likewise, I once again saw (or felt myself being) a fetus' mind awakening to awareness and starting to connect with the body. However, this time it was all experiential and biological, there were no spirits or anything like that.

Surprisingly, during all this, I perceived the pharmahuasca effects to be "weak" at that moment and my mind to be not that far from baseline. Only after the experience I realized that it was actually very intense and far from baseline.

The stomach pain seemed to worsen, and the right eye effects (and now pains) appeared again. I realized that my neck and my whole body were extremely tense. This was likely from struggling with the stomach pain, but at that moment I didn't make that connection, and some worry started to appear. Wanting to look out of the window, I decided to open the blinds. The landscape was extremely beautiful and impressive, it was the sunset and there were many birds chasing insects. I could see the birds fly in all kinds of geometrical patterns. The fresh air from the outside felt very good, and at that moment I realized it was hot in the attic, and that I was quite hot too (no sweat). That increased my worry further. Some fear started to appear, and I realize now that memories from my past were waking up, situations many years ago where I was in very poor mental health and tried to kill myself. In those situations, despite the mental confusion from having taken a dangerous dose of a medication, something in my mind kept me alive by saying to me "you have to think, act now, act now, stay alive, think, think, think". That was starting to wake up then.

I started trying to make sense of the situation, and started to think that maybe my confusion was more due to some kind of heat stroke. Fortunately, I was also aware that this could be, and likely was, the result of my thoughts and my fear under the effects of ayahuasca. Although I was almost sure that I was having some kind of health problem related to the heat, I decided to try to be as calm as possible and go downstairs to drink and get myself wet in order to cool down. I was also worried because my girlfriend was having an experience as well, and didn't want to scare her. So I decided to not mention the overheating to her.

I went downstairs and she heard me and came out of the room to say hello. But I could barely talk and only move with great difficulty, breathing heavily (it didn't help that my nose was blocked by allergies). She went back to her room and I thought I had scared her, but turns out she actually was laughing (not in a negative way) at the strangeness of my movements. I went to the bathroom and drank, and also put water in the back of my head, neck, forehead and ears. I could feel myself extremely hot, and even my breath seemed to come out very hot. I now think there were also memories from being sick with a fever coming up then.

As it was very difficult to move, I went into a different room (instead of back up into the attic) to lie down until the effects lessened. By then I fully believed my temperature was for sure too high, and that my mental confusion (due to the ayahuasca plus fear) was due to it. I felt that my mind had almost left my body, and was "in the place where you go where you have heat stroke or a fever", which in that moment seemed to be some place halfway between the real world and more ethereal worlds. I went to drink and splash water on me more times, and after what felt like many hours, I started feeling more calm.

As I was feeling slightly better, I called my girlfriend and asked her if she could stay with me for a while, as I wasn't feeling too good. She agreed and laid with me. That felt very calming, and progressively I was more and more calm. We started talking (although mostly me) and, even though I had strong difficulties for it, it was enjoyable and soon we were laughing. I told her that I thought I may have overheated upstairs, etc. She didn't feel my temperature was particularly elevated at the moment. As the effects lessened, we talked a lot, and it was very bonding. We shared many things that we had already shared a long time ago, but hadn't talked about since. I realized that during my fear I had felt like in those bad situations in my past, and talked to her about it.

It was very dark at night after talking that much, and we felt that we could walk well enough to take the dog for a walk at night. We went with no lights, but the path is wide so we had no difficulties seeing it. It was a very nice walk under the stars.

This was, in the end, a very helpful and deep experience. The conversations with my girlfriend were very helpful for both of us, and helped understand each other (and ourselves) better, also bringing us closer. However, did I really put myself in danger with the warmer temperature in the attic? Back then I was sure that yes, now I think probably no, but there's no way to know. People have ayahuasca in the jungle at similar temperatures and a much more humid environment, so it doesn't sound like it should be a problem. But it clearly was not a good idea to be in a place where that worry could appear: I shouldn't be having to think whether it's real or not, I should just be able to trust it's my mind. So I'll never have pharmahuasca in an environment that can get uncomfortably warm. Also, both eating too much (for the experience) some hours before the experience and having the antihistamine were bad ideas and contributed negatively. I checked to see whether the antihistamine was safe with MAOIs and it is, physically. But its impact on my mind during the experience seems to have been very negative.
 
Glad you moved to a spot where you can explore more peacefully, that's what I'm looking for ;)
From my experience, the most "meaningful" sessions always happen with an empty stomach, if taking the medecine at 8 pm, I wouldn't eat nothing after breakfast and drink a LOOOOT of water all day long. I know it's not always easy to not eat, either because of hunger or because of social reasons, but it's always been rewarding.
Regarding the temperature, it may have interacted with your already-not-so-well physical state, though taking ayahuasca in the jungle is usually done in a hot environment.
Didi you manage to purge at some point?
 
From my experience, the most "meaningful" sessions always happen with an empty stomach, if taking the medecine at 8 pm, I wouldn't eat nothing after breakfast and drink a LOOOOT of water all day long
I agree, it's better to have the stomach as empty as possible for me too. However, I don't have the mornings available for Ayahuasca, and it's important that I eat during the day because my girlfriend has an eating disorder and seeing me not eat affects her quite negatively. For me there's no problem as long as I leave a minimum of three hours between food and medicine and the last meal is very light. That's what failed this time, the type of food was light but I ate too much of it.

Regarding the temperature, it may have interacted with your already-not-so-well physical state
Yes, I think it probably was uncomfortably hot and it was a good idea to leave for a cooler room, but I don't think it was dangerous. I think the antihistamine and the muscle tension were the main contributors to feeling physically unwell. I find kind of stupid for having actually believed that something was phisically wrong during the experience, it's not my first rodeo and I've had all kinds of apparent physical issues appear in the past (with LSD) that I learned to handle well. It highlights the importance of setting.
Didi you manage to purge at some point?
I had the clear chance at one point, and chickened out of it, thinking I would be forced later. It was at the end of the first dose, so it was a good moment because I wouldn't have vomited any actives. I should have taken the opportunity, I'm sure I'd felt much better for the rest of the experience, and maybe the fear that came later could have been avoided or better managed. It's a lesson for the next time.
 
However, I don't have the mornings available for Ayahuasca, and it's important that I eat during the day because my girlfriend has an eating disorder and seeing me not eat affects her quite negatively.
Ok, yes, that's what I would put in the "social reasons" category ;)
I find kind of stupid for having actually believed that something was phisically wrong during the experience, it's not my first rodeo and I've had all kinds of apparent physical issues appear in the past (with LSD) that I learned to handle well. It highlights the importance of setting.
Sure, but having some physical pains during these type of experiences always heighten the fear, so no surprise!
I had the clear chance at one point, and chickened out of it, thinking I would be forced later. It was at the end of the first dose, so it was a good moment because I wouldn't have vomited any actives. I should have taken the opportunity, I'm sure I'd felt much better for the rest of the experience, and maybe the fear that came later could have been avoided or better managed. It's a lesson for the next time.
for sure it could have helped, despite of still having antihistamine interacting.
 
Perceived body temperature is very often quite problematic part of the experience, sensitivity is so much increased during the session that one can easily start to worry. In addition, allergy could also contributes to it, at least in my case, when I have active allergy, one of the typical feelings is the feeling of increased internal heat.
 
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