blig-blug's Ayahuasca experience log

[northape]

Do you cook the vine with just a few leaves of Chaliponga and then, have another DMT source (mimosa, freebase etc...) or is it a "true" ayahuasca brew? Just curious since i cooked caapi with a few grams of chaliponga this morning, and I really don't know wat to expect

It's a traditional yagé mostly (with muricata instead of caapi), so chaliponga is the main light source.
A few grams of chaliponga would be a nice addition, but don't expect much.
My tea is insane (500g vine & 125g chaliponga) and has way more light than needed.
However, it's easy to work with - you only need a tiny bit

 

[blig-blug]

It's a traditional yagé mostly (with muricata instead of caapi), so chaliponga is the main light source.
A few grams of chaliponga would be a nice addition, but don't expect much.
My tea is insane (500g vine & 125g chaliponga) and has way more light than needed.
However, it's easy to work with - you only need a tiny bit

Have you ever had it not work well due to taking both plants at once? I've seen many people complain of "misfires" presumably due to too much DMT being metabolized, but it's also true that they could be making other mistakes.

 

[northape]

Have you ever had it not work well due to taking both plants at once? I've seen many people complain of "misfires" presumably due to too much DMT being metabolized, but it's also true that they could be making other mistakes.

Nope, it works like clockwork every time. You can even take just one dose and have an intense experience for hours.
I just prefer the two-dose method, where the first one is for cleansing and getting into the right mind space. If I want to go deeper, I make the first dose stronger.
With so much chaliponga, you'd be glad to lose some DMT

 

[Tumupasa]

It's a traditional yagé mostly (with muricata instead of caapi), so chaliponga is the main light source.
A few grams of chaliponga would be a nice addition, but don't expect much.
My tea is insane (500g vine & 125g chaliponga) and has way more light than needed.
However, it's easy to work with - you only need a tiny bit

Ok, thanks! I think that would be my next big test, and I'm bookmarking your message when I'll be ready to dive in a similar brew

With so much chaliponga, you'd be glad to lose some DMT

Haha! I know this feeling when things get tougher

 

[Tumupasa]

A few grams of chaliponga would be a nice addition, but don't expect much.

Ok perfect, for now, I won't be expecting much and that's ok since I will smoke changa on top of that

 

[northape]

Ok perfect, for now, I won't be expecting much and that's ok since I will smoke changa on top of that

It's closer to homeopathy. You add a tiny amount to introduce chaliponga energy into it. It should be enough to build a bridge and start to develop a relationship.
Always test the strength of your brew before doing any real work (just like @blig-blug did here).
Better be safe than sorry

 

[dithyramb]

It's a traditional yagé mostly (with muricata instead of caapi), so chaliponga is the main light source.
A few grams of chaliponga would be a nice addition, but don't expect much.
My tea is insane (500g vine & 125g chaliponga) and has way more light than needed.
However, it's easy to work with - you only need a tiny bit

So 12.5g chaliponga per dose? That is quite insane. 2-3g of strong chaliponga was enough for me, and increasing the dose further awakened the wrathful Jaguar. Your difficulty may not be related to muricata.

BTW for me, on a certain energetic spectrum chaliponga and acacia confusa are on the opposite ends. Warm and divine vs cold and dark.

 

[northape]

So 12.5g chaliponga per dose? That is quite insane. 2-3g of strong chaliponga was enough for me, and increasing the dose further awakened the wrathful Jaguar. Your difficulty may not be related to muricata.

BTW for me, on a certain energetic spectrum chaliponga and acacia confusa are on the opposite ends. Warm and divine vs cold and dark.

Like I said, it's not for everyone. I've used the same recipe for years, but sometimes it's stronger, sometimes it's weaker.
The vine plays a huge role here. My muricata only requires 50g for a good ceremony, but my previous vine took 250g.
The amount of chali is always the same. Always test your batches for strength beforehand

 

[dithyramb]

Drinking rue beforehand, and drinking the chaliponga in a single brew with caapi surely would make it different and you would need more for the latter. But it seems you crossed into the wild side of Chali with this last brew.

 

[northape]

Drinking rue beforehand, and drinking the chaliponga in a single brew with caapi surely would make it different and you would need more for the latter. But it seems you crossed into the wild side of Chali with this last brew.

Honestly, I've done it this way since my first brew many years ago. That's why I'm still not sure where this wild side is. Most likely, it's just the character of chali for me.

Chali is very somatic in my experience, with very little visual stuff. I mostly feel it in the body as energy. These doses depend on many factors like preparation, personal sensitivity, and the stability of one's psyche. I feel like I need a higher dose to get to the medicine space. By now, I have a feel for it and dose my medicine by eye. So, stronger medicine is actually better. It means that I need to drink less. It's always serious work for me with these plants. I think a heavy session when lots of darkness comes up is very beneficial. You just need to work through it. It may take years, but it's a functional approach. Just the fact that I'm alive and talking here is a good confirmation of it.

My own experience is the reason I never advise high doses for anyone and try to talk about safe use. I tend not to speak about my doses in order not to give any wrong ideas about what is normal. I'm an extreme case and have pushed the envelope a number of times. When I ended my work with Acacia, my normal dose was 5g. I drank close to 10g many nights. A few times when I tried to get to Acacia land, I drank close to 30g. All that with 6-8g of rue, because my dmt teas always have rue in them.

To each his own. In my case, it was needed to push through the layers of my ego, and I'm grateful for it. However, I'd never wish such a journey upon anyone.

May all be well

 

[dithyramb]

I see. What kind of relationship we develop with the plants, with the process, and ultimately with ourselves is unique to us.

Yes, please don't tell anyone how you do it. "Do as I say, not as I do "

Chaliponga is less bright in visuals but definitely has visuals. It might be easier to see with rue. And my experience with it was just the same as our beloved Druiddream from aya forums would describe: gentle and soft below a certain threshold, and turning very chaotic and sanity wrecking past the threshold dose, with somatic wave feelings as you describe. Acacia, for example does not bring chaotic insanity with higher doses but challenges you with the so called body load. Chacruna is serious no matter the dose, but doesn't plunge into chaotic insanity like Chali at high doses. For me, chaoticness does not equal contacting shadow material. Chacruna for me was the "scalpel that cut deep fast," once again in the words of Druiddream.

All that aside, the work can be done with all the plants, in various ways, often unique to a person in their current life process.

 

[northape]

I see. What kind of relationship we develop with the plants, with the process, and ultimately with ourselves is unique to us.

Yes, please don't tell anyone how you do it. "Do as I say, not as I do "

It was probably the first post where I shared my dosing. I tend to leave it out of conversation

Chaliponga is less bright in visuals but definitely has visuals. It might be easier to see with rue. And my experience with it was just the same as our beloved Druiddream from aya forums would describe: gentle and soft below a certain threshold, and turning very chaotic and sanity wrecking past the threshold dose, with somatic wave feelings as you describe. Acacia, for example does not bring chaotic insanity with higher doses but challenges you with the so called body load. Chacruna is serious no matter the dose, but doesn't plunge into chaotic insanity like Chali at high doses. For me, chaoticness does not equal contacting shadow material. Chacruna for me was the "scalpel that cut deep fast," once again in the words of Druiddream.

I love chali. Yeah, it could get wild, but not more than mimosa at high doses. Acacia at higher doses could get chaotic too, and even her warmth wouldn't save the situation.
After all these years, I see this chaotic part as the nature of working with these plants. I have my sweet spot, and I know it by feel. You pay your price for entrance.
I remember Druiddream and Sacha from time to time. I hope everyone's doing fine wherever they are. I learned the craft from reading your and Druiddream's posts

All that aside, the work can be done with all the plants, in various ways, often unique to a person in their current life process.

I believe so too. It all depends. Even your climate and region play a role in how the body reacts

 

[dithyramb]

Chaliponga is the wild spirit, it is foremost concerned with connecting to the natural world in spirit. The chaoticness of it's higher doses is something more wild than expected loss of control with all DMT plants. And yes, mimosa is crazy in a different way.

Chacruna's vibe is closer to that of humans and human culture. I was in love with Chacruna for some years. With my rue strain it was a hyper feminine medicine. I have around 250 experiences with Chacruna but only around 50 with chaliponga. İt's not that I don't like chaliponga, I like it a lot. I can put it this way: life allows/calls me more into the human sphere than doing expeditions in the wild. And then there is Acacia, which I have countless hundreds of experiences with... Not because it was perfect, but because it was the safest for sharing, and most available. And then I turned my face completely to local plants

 

[Tumupasa]

It was probably the first post where I shared my dosing. I tend to leave it out of conversation

My fault! sorry haha
Anyway, thank you for kind of answering to this post from my changa-huasca thread:

Hey! So I'm already planning my next session, this time, I want to add some chaliponga leaves to the caapi leaves and resin, so I can have a threshold dose of DMT, and on top of that smoke changa, as I did in the first post of this thread.
Is there anyone here that can recommend how much chaliponga should be added to reach a threshold dose?

And sorry to @blig-blug for going off-topic with this chaliponga question

 

[blig-blug]

And sorry to @blig-blug for going off-topic with this chaliponga question

Don't worry! That's the point of the thread, I always learn a lot from the side discussions that appear

 

[northape]

Chaliponga is the wild spirit, foremost connecting to the natural world. The chaoticness of it's higher doses is something more wild than expected loss of control with all DMT plants. And yes, mimosa is crazy in a different way.

I've come to love this wild nature. Mimosa, with her scary tactics, could be very productive. I think it's one of the best plants for shadow work.

Chacruna's vibe is closer to that of humans and human culture. I was in love with Chacruna for some years. With my rue strain it was a hyper feminine medicine. I have around 250 experiences with Chacruna but only around 50 with chaliponga.

Chacruna disappeared from shops just when I learned about it. I've had only one real experience with it, and it will be with me forever. It's a heavenly plant

İt's not that I don't like chaliponga, I like it a lot. I can put it this way: life allows/calls me more into the human sphere than doing expeditions in the wild. And then there is Acacia, which I have countless hundreds of experiences with... Not because it was perfect, but because it was the safest for sharing, and most available. And then I turned my face completely to local plants

Acacia... I still dream about returning to her warm embrace. Maybe I'll do it someday

 

[dithyramb]

As an example about these energetic tendencies of these plants, I can mention the visual side.

With chaliponga, for me the visions were mostly of wild animals, dominated by insects, reptiles, and amphibians.

With Chacruna, visions of scenes from my life, angels, ancestors, history, themes about humanity were common.

Acacia rarely gave meaningful visions, mostly provided an abstract divine universe, but when it did show anything meaningful, it was meaningless... Like Mickey mouse, dancing ants, etc. The visual and energetic feel while at the same time being unspeakably divine, also easily felt like plastic or Disney-like.

I have very little experience with mimosa, and my impression was that of an immoral trickster, but it was the very beginning of my journey with these plants.

 

[blig-blug]

Mimosa visions have varied a lot in my experience. At first they were quite ugly and unsettling, then they got progressively more clear and cosmic. The last time they were very realistic, down to earth, and colorful. Likely it has changed because my mind has changed as well.

 

[dithyramb]

I remember mimosa feeling very cosmic too. My very first experience with rue and DMT (mimosa brew) was so unique and strange. My outer visual field was completely pixelated. Inside I felt I reached the place beyond time, and was experiencing multiple, possibly infinite realities at the same time. İt was with 5g rue and 3g mimosa. I've never had such a crazy experience since.

 

[northape]

I have very little experience with mimosa, and my impression was that of an immoral trickster, but it was the very beginning of my journey with these plants.

I'd put mimosa as the trickiest. She's into scare tactics and can create a little hell for you to enjoy. But there's always benevolence behind the scenes (maybe rue's influence).
At the same time, mimosa brings up difficult stuff and pushes you to deal with it. I'd reason with her the most, asking her to be nice.
After a mimosa session, you're better, and very little sticks to you. She creates a kind of psychic shield and cuts through all dysfunctional patterns.