Breakthrough experiences, time dilation and another life.

[concombres]

I have a good friend who extracted and smoked very clean dmt and had a breakthrough experience recently. He called me directly after the experience & gave me a brief explanation of his trip. What he told me was that he experienced an entire 80 year lifespan, not as a human but as an entity. He explained that he litterally went through this life in real time, he was born, lived an entire life, and then died and as he was ascending to heaven he started coming back to reality. His trip only lasted 23 minutes in this world.

What i would like to know not having experienced dmt myself yet is, has anyone else experienced this, and if so, how common is this effect?

 

[Global]

I've seen a report or two that claimed the like, but I don't think it's a very common phenomena. Time dilation and even potentially leaving time behind is one thing, but to live 80 years is another. Would be curious how he arrived at the conclusion that 80 years went by. Did it feel like 80 years? Was he keeping track in this alternate reality with calendars and the like? If not, even the perception of "one year" could potentially feel like 80 because even though the perception of time may be seeming to go at regular speed, one's concept of time could be incredibly skewed.

 

[Shamasi Wiz]

I don't think there's any limit to how much subjective time you can experience while in hyperspace. I've gone through years worth of life while on ayahuasca, even gotten to a point of timelessness, or eternity, which I think many here have. That being said, I don't think what happened to your friend is very common. Being able to remember an entire, linear lifetime like that sounds pretty amazing.

 

[concombres]

I think he may have just experienced so much in such a short amount of time that he felt it was enough to fill 80years. Iv'e felt pretty bad time dilation before from a dissociative psychedelic & mushrooms as well where one night felt like weeks.
Time dilation has always been one of my favorite effects of psychedellics. I feel like i can do so much more with my time when each second feels hours, perfect for meditation. Iv'e yet to experience timelessness but im hopeful for it to occur eventually due to the spiritual and shamanistic potential.

 

[Guyomech]

Remember that any description of a psychedelic experience is just a metaphor to try pinning down the indescribable. Time works in entirely different ways, nonlinear ways, in hyperspace- ways that we really don't have the language for. With 80 years to contemplate this other life, your friend should have a very clear description of this alternate reality... But you might find that he has more of an overall impression of it than any kind of linear history.

You might also want to ask him if he'd recently seen the movie Inception? Power of suggestion and all that...

 

[MooshyPeaches]

it's a exaggeration of language to try and capture the awe he experienced

 

[Electric Kool-Aid]

From my experience of acid, mushrooms and MDMA. Is that time goes along and I get used to the trip and then sort of POP out of it and go "what the heck! That was 10 hours?" (or 14). Kind of like time went so fast. MDMA has that effect. I never want to leave the experience.

Gosh I miss MDMA and dancing at raves! So soothing, sexy and connected with the people and music. One thing about MDMA is the feeling of skin, oh so nice. I describe it as suction cup fingers sticky soft skin. And no bounderies, just PLUR!!!

But yeah. Time seems too quick for me, like a blink of an eye while on psy. DMT however is different. My 20 minute OEV trip seemed like maybe 1-2 hours stuck in my colour room with animated lines and my hi tech puzzle confusion in my hand. (remembering someone or something saying "want a breakthrough? Here's the breakthrough!" repeated over and over!)

 

[Global]

With DMT, I probably experience "time contraction" far more often that time dilation. Most often the experience is over way too quickly and it feels quicker than it really was. In the past when I would burn my spice more often than I would have liked, it would often result in "super-fast-forward mode" where every action occurs at breakneck speeds. Likewise sometimes breakthroughs can have a similar effect, but even then I feel like the motion itself is not as aggressive as burning the spice...intense as can be, but not in the same way. On long term psychs I can get minor time dilation to the extent that the time on the clock does seem to go by rather slowly, but physical actions still seem to be going by in normal time. The two times where I experienced massive time dilation to the extent that time slowed down to a halt were my white light godhead encounters. On the second one, for the first five minutes, things were happening extremely fast, and just when I expected the experience to turn the other way, die down and stop "progressing", white started blowing up out of the scene before I was just surrounded by it at which point I could begin to feel the lever of time being flipped the other way. It's like I can feel the particles of time expanding - growing bigger and bigger like a balloon.

 

[gibran2]

If he actually experienced 80 years, then he should have 80 years worth of memories. Of course, none of us remembers every detail of our lives, but every one of us could sit down and recount life experiences for many hours. Can your friend do this?

Many DMT experiences have a “timeless” quality to them. One might describe the subjective experience of timelessness as seeming like the passage of a whole lifetime, but without a somewhat detailed account of a lifetime’s worth of experiences, I don’t buy it.

 

[tony]

If he actually experienced 80 years, then he should have 80 years worth of memories. Of course, none of us remembers every detail of our lives, but every one of us could sit down and recount life experiences for many hours. Can your friend do this?

^ this

Star trek TNG done an episode where this happened. Picard got zapped by something and was out cold for about 20 minutes (or whatever, can't really remember) and while he was out cold with the crew all around him his mind was away experiencing a whole new life. He lived the whole life, had kids and a wife and lived to be an old man (it may even have been 80 years) then he came back and he was able to play an instrument, the flute I think, that he had learned whilst having his other life experience. Does your friend like Star Trek? Can he play the flute? Or, more realistically, can he do anything special that he was unable to do before the trip?

I'm certainly in no position to say he is definitely lying or exaggerating, or more likely just trying to convey with words an ineffable experience... but I think if he shows no signs of having an extra 80 years worth of experience then it should be taken with a pinch of salt. Seems more likely it's a kinda arbitrary number he's using to emphasize that it felt like a very long time. I've experienced crazy time distortions, both on DMT and on amanita muscaria, but I've never been able to pin a number like 80 years on it. Usually, for me, it's more of a melting of time to the point where during the experience the concept has no meaning and upon returning I have no way of knowing whether I have been "gone" for 15 minutes or a year (more with amanitas than DMT).

 

[Electric Kool-Aid]

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