So I have gotten white Caapi vine from a couple different places. One place I got it from says the vines are taken from vines 20+ years of age, and it's like one NICE little chunk... Its definitely wider than a soda can. In general, does this make ANY difference at all compared to thin, young vines? I know potency varied from plant to plant, from vendor to vendor... but Im just saying in general does it have a difference than the thin young portions of the vine?
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Caapi- Does Size Matter?
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Older vine is good. Really young vine may not be as potent but I doubt there are huge advantages to 20 year vine over average sized caapi weight for weight.
I've never used small vine, like finger sized and I'm guessing since its not sold much other than certain varieties like black caapi, you don't get that very much from vendors so that may say something about young vine. Or not.
Jaime would be a good person to jump in here as he knows more about caapi vine than anyone else I've talked to on the nexus.
I've never used small vine, like finger sized and I'm guessing since its not sold much other than certain varieties like black caapi, you don't get that very much from vendors so that may say something about young vine. Or not.
Jaime would be a good person to jump in here as he knows more about caapi vine than anyone else I've talked to on the nexus.
Mr.Peabody
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It's not the size, it's how you use it!!
really old fat vine is more potent IME.
Parshvik Chintan
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how much more?jamie said:
I cannot say how thicker vine differs from thinner because I've only ever brewed with vine from one plant but I can say that with 1.5 - 2cm vine I was able to get MAOI inhibition, become quite emotionally sensitized and have faint visions that would disappear once I started analytically thinking about their contents so you can't say that thinner vine is not worth it imo because for me it was very worth it! I found that with this vine I had ingested too many harmalas as I ended up with the dreaded harmala headache but it goes to show that thinner vine has it's place too.
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chocobeastie
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The older vine is generally better. I find I can sing in ways, after taking old, thick vine that I can't just do on vine less than 10 years old.
I've had some powerful experiences with four year old vine however. Yet, over time, it just seems to get wiser, and provide a broader basis for experience, it also tends to taste sweeter as it ages as well!
I've had some powerful experiences with four year old vine however. Yet, over time, it just seems to get wiser, and provide a broader basis for experience, it also tends to taste sweeter as it ages as well!
It's only my opinion - I used to believe the thicker the vine, the older and therefore the more potent. I performed several side by side experiments with 1.5" vine and 12" vine, qualitatively, the thinner vine proved more potent. I think there must be other factors involved, aside from age/size that determine potency.
But Ive only had one opportunity to receive vine that size, my thoughts are by no means definitive.
Edit: or the opposite could be true and I received a potent smaller piece of vine? I don't know ...
But Ive only had one opportunity to receive vine that size, my thoughts are by no means definitive.
Edit: or the opposite could be true and I received a potent smaller piece of vine? I don't know ...
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chocobeastie
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The thinner vine could also be from an older vine, but just harvested from higher up in the canopy 
Also, it is not so much about pure potency, but breadth, depth and light.
Also, it is not so much about pure potency, but breadth, depth and light.
I once had some caapi that was about as thin as a twig and it was very weak
I'm not sure if there was ever an attempt to answer this question scientifically...
There's a lot of factors that could weigh in significantly, such as one's expectations/self-suggestion when taking one or another kind of vine, or also for those claiming to have felt differences it could also be possible the differences were due to variety/genetics/growth conditions and not age, etc
Personally I've had both good and bad, potent and weak, experiences with young/thin and with old/thick vines.. I'm not sure if I could tell differences in a blind test.
Sure it would be nice to believe that older vine will be statistically more potent or generate some better kind of trip, but I can't say at this point. I'd love to see it getting answered scientifically.
One thing is true though, one way or another: Better start growing and promoting others to grow as much caapi as possible, hopefully they all get thick and giant and can feed the world many times round!
There's a lot of factors that could weigh in significantly, such as one's expectations/self-suggestion when taking one or another kind of vine, or also for those claiming to have felt differences it could also be possible the differences were due to variety/genetics/growth conditions and not age, etc
Personally I've had both good and bad, potent and weak, experiences with young/thin and with old/thick vines.. I'm not sure if I could tell differences in a blind test.
Sure it would be nice to believe that older vine will be statistically more potent or generate some better kind of trip, but I can't say at this point. I'd love to see it getting answered scientifically.
One thing is true though, one way or another: Better start growing and promoting others to grow as much caapi as possible, hopefully they all get thick and giant and can feed the world many times round!
Parshvik Chintan said:
I don't know how much, but IME much more. The strongest brew I ever had had a chunk of really old fat vine in it that I had sitting on my alter for at least a year. Finally I decided it was time to drink it. It was brewed with other other vine as well that was thicker than many other vines I had had.
The bark was also intact on those vines. So I have never been quite sure if it is just the age of the vine or if the bark is loaded with harmine or something.
chocobeastie
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As the vine gets older, it accumulates more wisdom. I've been working with one vine for 7 seven years (it is now 14 years old) and each year I notice its effects are more profound.
This goes for all plants, the older they are, the wiser they are. Simple.
This goes for all plants, the older they are, the wiser they are. Simple.
In what form is this wisdom ? Where is it accumulated in the plant? Is this wisdom related to potency, and if so, how/why?
Did you consider the possibility of effects being more profound due to your own developments in life, personal aging/metabolic changes, or whatever else that isn't related to the vine? Is it possible self suggestion played a part in it ?
Did you consider the possibility of effects being more profound due to your own developments in life, personal aging/metabolic changes, or whatever else that isn't related to the vine? Is it possible self suggestion played a part in it ?
chocobeastie
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endlessness said:
The vine is an alive force that communicates through the brew. The wisdom of the vine isn't location anywhere in particular, it is simply the nature of the intelligence and understanding that the particular vine has.
Where is wisdom accumulated in the human organism? This isn't so much a relevant question I would think.
Like I said, potency really isn't the significant factor here. It is many different qualities and capacities of breadth and depth. There is a kind of stability and dimensionality you get with older vine.
nah, I've been doing this long enough to ascertain the nature of different brews. It is like the difference between different batches of wine.
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