Caapi doses for mushrooms?

[Gone-and-Back]

I know that a significant amount of vine is usually needed to potentiate DMT, but what is needed to potentiate mushrooms?

My thoughts are that because the DMT is broken down so rapidly by MAO, this is why such a large dose of caapi is needed, to make sure that there is absolutely NO active MAO enzymes working on breaking down the substance. Makes sense.

With mushrooms however, the psilocyybin and psilocin are already very active orally. Because of this, wouldn't even a small dose of say, 10g caapi vine, inhibit enough MAO to increase the amount of effects and duration of the mushrooms?

If anyone can give some input into this, it would be appreciated.

 

[universecannon]

I know that a significant amount of vine is usually needed to potentiate DMT, but what is needed to potentiate mushrooms?

My thoughts are that because the DMT is broken down so rapidly by MAO, this is why such a large dose of caapi is needed, to make sure that there is absolutely NO active MAO enzymes working on breaking down the substance. Makes sense.

With mushrooms however, the psilocyybin and psilocin are already very active orally. Because of this, wouldn't even a small dose of say, 10g caapi vine, inhibit enough MAO to increase the amount of effects and duration of the mushrooms?

If anyone can give some input into this, it would be appreciated.

Yeah like you said, even lower doses of caapi can influence a mushroom trip. I like just smoking bongloads of caapi leaf on mushrooms the most.. With combining them both orally i've had mixed results and its something i have't explored much. Just start low...don't jump into it and try combining half a dose of mushrooms and half a dose of caapi or something, because it can get very intense (and for me nauseating). For me it seemed to work better to take either a full dose of caapi and a low dose of mushrooms, or vice versa.

look into these threads

 

[olympus mon]

If your looking for an aya type journey akna shroomahuasca drink your normal caapi dose as the same as an ayahuasca dose, between 50-100g depending on the individuals chemistry and taste, but cut your mushroom dose by at a least half if not a 3rd. maoi boosts the mushrooms considerably.
You can play around with dosages tailoring it to what your looking for. Keep the caapi dose lower if you just want to expand the mushroom exp or heavy if your wanting a laydown full blown journey within.
maybe start with 50g of a vine your familiar with and 1.5 g cubensis. Adjust accordingly next time. Shroomahuasca is very similar to a strong visionary aya exp but with a more tryptamine feel.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

Thank you for the info, and I have actually never drank caapi before. I made a brew only containing ten grams to see how that effects me. I know some people are really sensitive. Have not had a chance to drink it though, finished to late.

However, when it cooled a sediment formed. Is this alks or tiny plant particles that were floating in the solution before settling?

 

[olympus mon]

Thank you for the info, and I have actually never drank caapi before. I made a brew only containing ten grams to see how that effects me. I know some people are really sensitive. Have not had a chance to drink it though, finished to late.

However, when it cooled a sediment formed. Is this alks or tiny plant particles that were floating in the solution before settling?

Have you filtered your tea through a cotton t-shirt while reducing? Also its a great idea to try caapi alone first but 10g is quite low so Its doubtful you will feel anything unless you have the quite rare insanely potent vine people such as Jaime has gotten surprised with. Maybe try 25g and go from there.

As far as sediment goes, if you have filtered your tea once or maybe twice then shake up the tea and drink it down sediment and all. If I drink fully decanted caapi or over filtered, I don't feel very much. There are a lot of alkaloids in the sediment.

Keep in mind that for some 40g caapi is a heavy dose and folks like myslef dont feel much effects under 100g of yellow, or red caapi. Ive never drank whit or black vine that is supposedly stronger.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

I filtered it using a funnel and two coffee filters actually. Got all the big pieces of vine out. The sediment does look very fine, almost sand like, so I am guessing its alks and not plant particles. I shall just try shaking it up and drinking it down then.

I doubt I am one of those people who is super sensitive, (usually can handle more of just about anything, including psychs, then anyone else I personally know), but better to go with the side of caution for trying something new. If ten grams doesnt do much of anything, I will try 15-20g.

My main question though is will drinking a brew of say 10-20g of caapi, be enough to actually alter a mushroom trip in a noticable way? I was thinking of trying 10-20g caapi, with maybe a gram of some mushrooms, and judge it compared to my normal one gram mushroom experiences.

If this doesnt do to much, maybe I will try upping the caapi again. I however have done this with rue before, but it didnt seem to work to well even with taking a full three grams of rue tea. It made it last for like eight to nine hours, but nothing ever got that intense and it was with 2 grams of mushrooms. Hopefully Mamma Aya can show me more then the rue did.

 

[jamie]

for me I took a full dose of caapi with abotu .2g cubensis and that was enough for light tryptamine visions, fractals and deep euphoria and insight etc..it was like ayahuasca with DMT plants.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

Thanks Jamie, that is another way I was thinking of doing this. I am not familiar with Caapi yet though, so I dont want to jump right into a fully immersed experience like that.

Is the mixture of caapi and mushies as nauseating as normal Aya with DMT plants?

 

[jamie]

harmalas can be nauseating..tryptamines increase that.

I get more stomache cramps and stuff with mushrooms than I do with ayahuasca though..and I purge pretty hard when I take mushrooms..harder than ayahuasca sometimes.

 

[olympus mon]

Coffee filters are a bad idea. IME's they remove far too much leaving the tea quite weak. Thats why I wrote, if I decant and separate the tea fro the sediment I don't feel much.

My main question though is will drinking a brew of say 10-20g of caapi, be enough to actually alter a mushroom trip in a noticable way? I was thinking of trying 10-20g caapi, with maybe a gram of some mushrooms, and judge it compared to my normal one gram mushroom experiences.

Maybe 20g not put through a coffee filter may enhance the mushrooms but I would doubt any noticable effects will happen with 1 let alone 2 coffee filtrations on 20g
Ive drank 75g decanted for a few days in the fridge and felt nothing at all.

I don't have a sensitive system, some people do. I know this about my body. If I even tannin bind my ayahausca Its much, weaker so now all I do is 2 filterings through a t shirts while hot and reducing, no more no less. Voila!

Removing sediment drastically changes the potency. If you left it all in you would violently purge out of both ends, (Ive done that, not very fun but fookin strong) take too much out and you have a mis fire. You want to find the [perfect balance.

 

[Michal_R]

Hi,

My own experience is that 2,5-3g of Rue tea drank 20 minuter prior to ingesting Mushrooms intensify the trip aproximately three times. Even 1g of Cubensis can therefore provide a deep trip for me when orally MAO inhibited...

Good luck!

 

[Gone-and-Back]

Well, I went to go drink the ten gram brew and was going to make a gram of mushroom tea to go along with it. However, upon drinking it I vomited, due to the extreme sourness of the brew. I used WAY to much citric acid in making it...

Could I evap this further to a resin substance through boiling, and just cap and consume the resin? Usually I try to stomach whatever my teas turn out to taste like, but this one is just way to much.

 

[olympus mon]

Well, I went to go drink the ten gram brew and was going to make a gram of mushroom tea to go along with it. However, upon drinking it I vomited, due to the extreme sourness of the brew. I used WAY to much citric acid in making it...

Could I evap this further to a resin substance through boiling, and just cap and consume the resin? Usually I try to stomach whatever my teas turn out to taste like, but this one is just way to much.

Yes you can make resin balls or capsules. was it the taste that made you vommit or the tea itself? Your going to have a hard time keeping down a full dose if 10g;s was hard to keep down.

 

[dreamer042]

I can pretty reliably induce full on breakthrough obe experiences on a full dose caapi with around a gram of good cubensis. It is a very powerful combination ime.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

Well, I went to go drink the ten gram brew and was going to make a gram of mushroom tea to go along with it. However, upon drinking it I vomited, due to the extreme sourness of the brew. I used WAY to much citric acid in making it...

Could I evap this further to a resin substance through boiling, and just cap and consume the resin? Usually I try to stomach whatever my teas turn out to taste like, but this one is just way to much.

Yes you can make resin balls or capsules. was it the taste that made you vommit or the tea itself? Your going to have a hard time keeping down a full dose if 10g;s was hard to keep down.

It was the taste. It was not the taste of the caapi, I honestly just put way to much citric acid into the brew, and it was way too sour to drink.

I ended up basifying the brew, and filtering out all the solids. I then washed them again in acidified water, filtered the solids, and again made it basic. I am filtering out the alks that crashed out now, and they are a somewhat tan color. I will probably do this one or two more times before consuming them.