cigerette addiction and DMT

[jbomma1942]

Hello my question is or well let me explain it....

I have been smoking cigarettes for around two years now.... It is something I picked up in college during stressful times... I am very well aware of the damages it does to ones lungs and heart.... I can already feel my lungs damaged just from two years of smoking....

heres the question...

Would it be wise to have a dmt experience while under the addiction of tobacco....
I would really like your input on this but here's how I feel about it....

I love smoking and I hate smoking... some days it really slows my mind down when I am smoking.... some days I smoke out of anger and when I am smoking I am kind o self loathing...

I feel like I am burning myself out of existence and I am.... that might change the day I get a family of my own one day but right now when I wake up in the morning the urge is just... excuse me... just so damn powerful... I have to...

However before I go through with dmt in the future.... I would like to have a healthy heart and healthy mind... that means no smoking... eating healthy... exercising... and lots and lots of meditation...


I would really appreciate your advice... thank you for your time....

Much love and wisdom

Jbomma

 

[Synkromystic]

Your lungs will heal within a few months after quitting cigarettes. I was a smoker for 10 + years and mine are very healthy again.

Here are some of my thoughts on your situation. Dmt could help you quit. It could give you the urge and strength to quit cigarettes. But, if you go into a trip worrying then that could cause problems. So it might be a good idea to quit cigarettes before dmt use continues(or begins...have you ever tried it?)

I have struggled alot of my adult life with addictions, but the last couple of years or so i have gotten them under control and/or eradicated them. The answer is WILL POWER. You have to want to quit with all your will power(pure awareness/consciousness). When you are ready to give it up, it will come so easy you will be surprised, if you do it with your whole being.

I think if you do quit cigarettes and eat healthier and exercise etc.., when you do take dmt you will be greatly rewarded. On the contrary though, you might need some help from a dmt trip or 2, or lots more to do it. I know i did. It just depends.....

 

[keleblin]

It certainly wouldn't hurt. I've used nicotiana (tobacco) rustica leaves in change blends in the past, and have gotten a pretty good synergistic from it without any noticeable side effects. Tobacco contains (relatively) weak harmala alkaloids as well as just nicotine.

And yeah, a DMT trip might (possibly) help you quit.

 

[universecannon]

You can answer that better than any of us ever could my friend

I'm sure countless people have had great experiences on dmt, and a number of psychedelics, despite their current addiction to tobacco. And if your vaporizing dmt right then its highly highly likely its not going to hurt your lungs, if thats what your worried about.

Also, you probably know how common it is for ayahuasca users in the amazon to be heavy mapacho smokers, and it often goes hand in hand with ayahuasca ceremonies as a very important element....but thats quite different from a standard cigarette

If you're looking for an experience that catalyzes a shift in your daily habits or addiction, I think a longer lasting psychedelics would be more conducive for that sort of work, such as mushrooms, lsd, aya, etc..(although i love daily changa-yoga! Low/medium doses are so underrated and are profound tools)

I know many people whose psychedelic experiences were key catalysts in their fight against addictions. According to them they helped immensely in acquiring the motivation, in-your-face awareness of the reality of their situation, and a visceral understanding of just how important their actions truly were...I'm sure the mental "high" on life, which i think of in more a literal sense as in heightening or expanding conscious awareness, can play a big role in letting go of it after the experience as well. And when it comes to things like aya and iboga there is reason to think that they even help with addictions/withdrawal on a more concrete biochemical level

But anyways, i do recall a few cases where an individual quit their drug addiction on the spot after an intense and revelatory smoked DMT experience

In any case, best of luck to you :]

 

[universecannon]

However before I go through with dmt in the future.... I would like to have a healthy heart and healthy mind... that means no smoking... eating healthy... exercising... and lots and lots of meditation...
Jbomma

Thats great but just a side note: be careful of not putting more on your plate than you can handle all at the same time. I'm not sure how you eat but just know that it can be tricky and even stressful/unpleasant to quit addictions to processed foods, so maybe a gradual shift in your diet would be a better idea than to change both your diet and quit cigarettes all at the same time, i think. But where theres a will theres a way, so who knows

 

[jbomma1942]

I am eating a lot better... but I can always improve... when I was at a colledge I use to not eat for days and not sleep... then I kind of moved to fast food... but now I mainly and only eat things that my mother makes... but I live in America... and even stuff you buy at the grocery store is sometimes tainted with something.

 

[keleblin]

Also, you may want to look into using lobelia inflata. The main alkaloid in the leaves, lobeline, is a weaker (than nicotine) competetive agonist of the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor. Many people have found it useful as an aid to curbing tobacco addiction, either smoked or as a tea.

 

[jbomma1942]

I'm kind of new to a lot of the terminology on here but I will do some research... I've tried everything... the patch... the electric cigarette... and the funny thing is... most electric cigarettes are made by big tobacco company's.

 

[Synkromystic]

I'm kind of new to a lot of the terminology on here but I will do some research... I've tried everything... the patch... the electric cigarette... and the funny thing is... most electric cigarettes are made by big tobacco company's.

I tried alternatives to cigarettes as well. I had to completely quit because any little bit of nicotine made me want more and more and more...

 

[keleblin]

I'm kind of new to a lot of the terminology on here but I will do some research... I've tried everything... the patch... the electric cigarette... and the funny thing is... most electric cigarettes are made by big tobacco company's.

The nicotinic acetylcholine receptor is the neuroreceptor that nicotine acts on. Lobeline effectively crowds out the nicotine, preventing it from binding to the receptor. You get a similar effect as nicotine, but it tends to be weaker than nicotine and lasts longer.

 

[Synkromystic]

I'm kind of new to a lot of the terminology on here but I will do some research... I've tried everything... the patch... the electric cigarette... and the funny thing is... most electric cigarettes are made by big tobacco company's.

The nicotinic acetylcholine receptor is the neuroreceptor that nicotine acts on. Lobeline effectively crowds out the nicotine, preventing it from binding to the receptor. You get a similar effect as nicotine, but it tends to be weaker than nicotine and lasts longer.

Keleblin, Thanks for that info. That could be very helpful for my father!

 

[Pup Tentacle]

Your lungs will heal within a few months after quitting cigarettes.

To be clear here.... the above is not true. Your lungs may clear of tar, you may feel better, breathe better, be healthier than when you smoked, but lung damage from smoking does not just magically go away when you quit.

This is a health issue rather close to my heart, just want folks to know the real deal.

 

[Aviator]

I find that after a flight the taste of a cigarette is really bad. This may sound counterproductive but it could work in a round about way... smoke a cigarette right after you're back. You may realize how awful it tastes. Then think and know that it is actually horrible to smoke cigarettes. Keep doing this for a while. It may help you quit. Classical conditioning...

This is all assuming that it tastes as bad to you as it does to me.

 

[Aviator]

To be clear here.... the above is not true. Your lungs may clear of tar, you may feel better, breathe better, be healthier than when you smoked, but lung damage from smoking does not just magically go away when you quit.

Can you explain further? I really want to stop smoking myself. I was under the impression that you could heal your lungs after a certain amount of time as well.

 

[Pup Tentacle]

Rather than me recount the words and expertise of many doctors, just google "is lung damage from smoking reversible". You will be provided with many articles including far more info than i could ever regurgitate.

I'm always willing to cheer-lead for someone wanting to quit :thumb_up:

 

[jbomma1942]

Thank you all for your post... and thank you for the warm helpful vibes... I will definitely start reading on this addiction. Work through it and be strong.... I can conger this!!!! and so can you

 

[Synkromystic]

Your lungs will heal within a few months after quitting cigarettes.

To be clear here.... the above is not true. Your lungs may clear of tar, you may feel better, breathe better, be healthier than when you smoked, but lung damage from smoking does not just magically go away when you quit.

This is a health issue rather close to my heart, just want folks to know the real deal.

As far as scarring goes, i do understand that it can sometimes be irreversible, which is probably true in most cases. However, even scarring can disappear. It depends on how overloaded the body is doing other tasks, mainly the liver if i'm not mistaken. The body is constantly producing new cells as old cells are replaced. I have a friend in his 60's who was an alcoholic, and had a liver transplant due to his drinking. He had a scar from 20 years before, that went away within a few months getting a new liver. The liver came from a young girl. I realize that this is not the norm, but i just want to point out that it is possible. Obviously, the older we are, the harder and less likely it is for the body to return to exactly how it was


Regarding the quote

Your lungs will heal within a few months after quitting cigarettes.

Your lungs will heal, and only 2 years of smoking should not take long to heal. In my opinion, this statement is 100% true, but there might be some scarring, but again, it shouldnt be much. So i beg to differ about lungs healing, because a wound can heal, and still have a scar.

EDIT: just wanted to add this part on healing from wikipedia to help make my point a bit clearer

Healing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"It is the process by which the cells in the body regenerate and repair to reduce the size of a damaged or necrotic area and replace it with new living tissue. The replacement can happen in two ways: by regeneration in which the necrotic cells are replaced by new cells that form similar tissue as was originally there; or by repair in which injured tissue is replaced with scar tissue. Most organs will heal using a mixture of both mechanisms."

 

[jbomma1942]

I guess to be honest... my worry is.... or fear..... is that I feel like my heart is not healthy... and I don't know if it can handle the intense experience that dmt will bring on.... All my psychedelic experiences were before I got into tobacco... its just a concerning thought... but I am willing to talk to it and work through it.

 

[No Knowing]

I would really quit cigarettes for a month then smoalk and it will set in stone the progress you made

Or just take a big breakthrough and then quit. It will give you more willpower but will also make you MUCH more aware of the bodily damage and mental stress you have accrued fro the habit. Furthering your urge to quit.

The first takes alot of effort.

The second is kinda sadistic but will get the job done. And you get to be the pre-first breakthrough you which is new and exciting.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

healing yourself in order that you may take medicine is putting the cart before the horse, imo