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Climate Change: It's bad and getting worse-

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Curious what your guys opinion on Phil Jones (climatologist at the backbone of man made global warming) and the fact that he has stated numerous times that "for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming" and that he conceded it may have been hotter in medieval times suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

I'm not knocking you for your beliefs, I look at it like a religion and I respect your beliefs. I do find it humerus to say that it is "not disputable" when so much of the world does in fact dispute it. You say it as if you are the end-all and we should not discus it because you are right and we are wrong. Much like many religious fanatics.

I am all for being earth friendly I just don't drink the kool-aide the gov't is serving me.
I feel it is
A) scare tactics to control the masses and
B) another way for dirt balls to capitalize on us and make money. Who owns the companies profiting off this? Could it be the same ones peddling the idea and manipulating the data and the people?

I recycle, use solar power, grow my own food, turn my scraps into compost and drive very little. But I do it to be a good guest here on earth and to keep it beautiful for future generations.
 
Fear mongering has never been a respectable way to educate the masses. We have very little effect on the world + it doesn't take much to change things drastically = We could stand to be more environmentally friendly.
 
you guys don't have to "drink the kool-aid", the numbers speak for themselves (i.e. billions of metric tons annually). you don't think that has some impact? climate change is just one concern, the increased rate of extinction of species is another alarming aspect
(newsflash: we have a symbiotic existence.)
whatever doesn't diffuse into the atmosphere, gets absorbed by water systems, lowering pH...simple physics and chemistry. you don't think that has an ecological impact?

wake up.
 
benzyme said:
you guys don't have to "drink the kool-aid", the numbers speak for themselves (i.e. billions of metric tons annually). you don't think that has some impact? climate change is just one concern, the increased rate of extinction of species is another alarming aspect
(newsflash: we have a symbiotic existence.)
whatever doesn't diffuse into the atmosphere, gets absorbed by water systems, lowering pH...simple physics and chemistry. you don't think that has an ecological impact?

wake up.
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Wake up?
I think we should all do our part to keep a clean and healthy planet, read my post. What I don't believe is what the government is trying to scare us into believing. Why do all the study's that supposedly prove that man created global warming either end up missing, manipulated in some way or just out right fraudulent. But I can tell you are getting a little temperamental, this is why I stay out of religious debates. I think it's great you want to keep our planet clean, we have that in common. So I'll leave it at that.
 
hey, I'm all for conspiracy theories as much as you.. but I observe trends.
The trend for natural global warming is inevitable, it's the life cycle of our star, the sun.
I also observe that the polar ice caps are melting at an ever-increasing rate since...the 1970s.

are carbon-dioxide emissions the cause of this? who knows. it's not "provable".
what I do know is that carbon-dioxide traps infrared energy, which causes an increase in temperature; it also lowers the pH of water tables, killing spawn of several amphibious species. I also know that the global majority (~ 65%) of carbon-dioxide emissions isn't from businesses, it's from transportation.

I'm glad you do your part, I also do mine.
 
Maybe the population of Earth has increased so much that our body temperatures are creating the warming??
Nah, but seriously I'm more worried about all the chemicals that are floating around getting in our drinking water and food.
I think we will die much faster from toxicity than getting too hot.
 
Buildings are actually the biggest energy consumers and are actually the main contributor to Co2 emissions, not vehicles.
"Buildings in the United States today consume 72 percent of electricity produced, and 55 percent of U.S. natural gas use. They account for about 40 percent of both total U.S. energy consumption (costing $350 billion per year) and greenhouse gas emissions. Therefore, reducing the GHG emissions associated with buildings is essential to reducing overall U.S. emissions."

Where I live we threw away climate response design and just focused on AC Blasting spaces to make them habitable. Well this costs LOTS of money, and uses tons of energy. Ignore all the climate change stuff. How about just reducing how much you spend on resources? Quit wasting A/C, Heat, Water, and electricity in general. Design buildings that properly deal with your environment.

No one in this thread has mentioned how much consumption comes from buildings, everything is focused on transportation, which is major, but our buildings have a roll in why transportation consumes as much as it does (via Urban Sprawl). Now ThirdEyeVision here's where you get validation. This idea is being proliferated by LEED (who's all about making money unfortunately) but this doesn't negate the fact that we HAVE to rethink our cities, and our buildings. We do not need LEED to accomplish this. They will just take your money and give you a plaque for how much money you gave them.

Bad City design also contributes to the heat island effect.
Green Roofs and cities with better integrated natural systems can reduce this effect.

There's so much that can be done to negate heat island, here's some various examples
https://flic.kr/p/ehZ66V

Just to show a few. We can do much more and even integrate these into building systems like A/C Filters and other mechanical systems.

I hope this sheds some awareness to how buildings need to be addressed when it comes to reducing energy and consumption in general. I hope I didn't come across as inquisitive, I am very passionate about architecture and design of communities, its what I'm getting my two masters degree in. I don't know for sure if Global Warming is happening, but I do know we can save ourselves lots of money by being smarter about how our buildings and communities are built and designed.
 

Sculpture by Isaac Cordal - "Politicians discussing global warming"

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Anthropomorphic global warming is just one more way for our "betters" to control us more and more, tax us more and more, feel superior to the rest of us more and more. We are talking about the weather. When they can tell us what the weather will be two weeks from now, we can talk. Otherwise, shut up and stop trying to destroy our economy, stop trying to demonize the oil companies and other energy producing companies all of whom have done far more for humanity than all of these self righteous jerks like Al "the fat fuck" Gore and Michael "the even fatter fuck" Michael Moore.
 
poonja said:
Anthropomorphic global warming is just one more way for our "betters" to control us more and more, tax us more and more, feel superior to the rest of us more and more. We are talking about the weather. When they can tell us what the weather will be two weeks from now, we can talk. Otherwise, shut up and stop trying to destroy our economy, stop trying to demonize the oil companies and other energy producing companies all of whom have done far more for humanity than all of these self righteous jerks like Al "the fat fuck" Gore and Michael "the even fatter fuck" Michael Moore.
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This is so interesting: the Nexus is usually a pretty unified community, but it appears that this discussion is bringing out divides between the libertarians (who are often, in my experience, climate-change deniers) and those who believe in climate change.
 
poonja said:
Anthropomorphic global warming is just one more way for our "betters" to control us more and more, tax us more and more, feel superior to the rest of us more and more. We are talking about the weather. When they can tell us what the weather will be two weeks from now, we can talk. Otherwise, shut up and stop trying to destroy our economy, stop trying to demonize the oil companies and other energy producing companies all of whom have done far more for humanity than all of these self righteous jerks like Al "the fat fuck" Gore and Michael "the even fatter fuck" Michael Moore.
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Why do you believe this?
 
poonja said:
... Otherwise, shut up and stop trying to destroy our economy, stop trying to demonize the oil companies and other energy producing companies all of whom have done far more for humanity than all of these self righteous jerks like Al "the fat fuck" Gore and Michael "the even fatter fuck" Michael Moore.
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1. Respectful communication.
2. No confrontational attitude.
3. Nobody here is trying to "destroy our economy".
4. 97% or 98% of scientists agree with the climate change storyline, so wise up or hold your confrontational attitude.

Al Gore - This Earth (Melodysheep)

Cosmic Spore said:
Climate Change Impacts in the United States
U.S. Global Change Research Program | GlobalChange.gov

For those who haven't been watching Years of Living Dangerously, I highly recommend that.
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P.S. If I had to compare Al Gore & Michael Moore to the fossil fuel mega-energy companies, I'd say I'd pick the fact-based liberals, rather than the propaganda produced by the fossil fuel companies. Al Gore - Internet Hall of Fame.
Conservatives have picked fake issues to attack Michael Moore over, ever since he did Fahrenheit 9/11.

Facts and science have a well known liberal bias.
 
Cosmic Spore said:
3. Nobody here is trying to "destroy our economy".
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In all fairness, I'm down with destroying the economy. You know, that thing that is currently driving the destruction of planetary ecosystems, leading to the death and enslavement of countless people, and generally making life a hell of a lot less free than it could otherwise be.
 
Taken from "The population debate" (Reg Morrison)

Since all life is an artifact of DNA and fueled by hydrogen …

... then we too are subject to the same evolutionary
checks and balances that regulate all other species.

The two main regulatory factors are:

1. ENERGY
A species’ energy budget must remain within a range that is appropriate to it, given its
particular form, function and habitat.
Just as energy starvation leads inevitably to extinction, the extraction of too much energy leads to accelerated reproduction, the mass extinction of competitive species, and an altered environment that no longer supports the offenders.

2. REPRODUCTION
Reproduction is a rigidly defined conservation strategy in which unbridled reproductive
success is just as lethal as reproductive failure.
Just as inadequate reproduction leads inevitably to a species’ extinction, overly successful reproduction leads to exponential population growth that outpaces the ability of the environment to replenish itself.
The population then peaks and collapses due to starvation, disease, an accumulation of toxic waste, and a growing number of hormonal,genetic and epigenetic dysfunctions that are collectively known as Selye’s General Adaptation Syndrome (GAS).*


sigh...:sick:
 
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