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[quote='Coatl]If your trying to import Coca leafs so you can make cocaine then fuck you.[/quote]
Oh, here we go. Cocaine has a ton of medical uses. Used in moderation, it's personal choice, and Amor_Fati's SWIM could always switch to the leaves if he felt himself developing dependency. SWIM personally found anything more than a tiny amount an undesirable experience when he dabbled with it. Take an Epicurian perspective.
As long as you're not selling it and hence spreading addiction by fools who don't respect the plant's power, there's nothing wrong with a home extraction for personal use. This mirrors the forum's view on DMT extraction. Let's not hijack the thread, we're off topic here... this is about the safety of importing the plant material.
Oh, here we go. Cocaine has a ton of medical uses. Used in moderation, it's personal choice, and Amor_Fati's SWIM could always switch to the leaves if he felt himself developing dependency. SWIM personally found anything more than a tiny amount an undesirable experience when he dabbled with it. Take an Epicurian perspective.
As long as you're not selling it and hence spreading addiction by fools who don't respect the plant's power, there's nothing wrong with a home extraction for personal use. This mirrors the forum's view on DMT extraction. Let's not hijack the thread, we're off topic here... this is about the safety of importing the plant material.
Observant
Nothing Stops The Void
:lol: Go , treat yourself with it :lol:
I heard occultists use purified Cocaine for the ritualized utilization of Sexual Forces .
Dont know about that for sure
EDIT
But i know about our cities , and the spirit of cocaine usage , is really heavily linked
to the red light district , it kinda rules those places ...
The link I posted explores some native uses of the leaf... to counteract altitude fatigue, to work harder, to be happier... and for sex! It's sacred to them, it's worked for them for thousands of years without ill-effect, and I expect they've explored every possible use in their time 
SWIM would like to try some caca leaf, but all the stuff he's seen on the internet never states whether or not it's decocainised or not (which I imagine indiscriminately pulls out the other alkaloids too). He was offered a coca leaf joint in his teens but didn't feel anything from that. He's not sure of the legality of importing online, what would happen if customs took exception, etc.
SWIM would like to try some caca leaf, but all the stuff he's seen on the internet never states whether or not it's decocainised or not (which I imagine indiscriminately pulls out the other alkaloids too). He was offered a coca leaf joint in his teens but didn't feel anything from that. He's not sure of the legality of importing online, what would happen if customs took exception, etc.
Observant
Nothing Stops The Void
Native uses of the leaf , result from the perfect natural Composition and content in the Leaves .
Those arent the medical uses of cocaine which would be used as analgetic for eye surgery.
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"a very peaceful and transformative and positive force and a feminine energy"
You can test the potency of the leaves by chewing them with Llipta , if your mouth goes numb the goodies are still in it .I dont think that they often decocainize their leafes , because that would be cocaine production
Seriously , my leafes always were of a high quality.
Those arent the medical uses of cocaine which would be used as analgetic for eye surgery.
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"a very peaceful and transformative and positive force and a feminine energy"
You can test the potency of the leaves by chewing them with Llipta , if your mouth goes numb the goodies are still in it .I dont think that they often decocainize their leafes , because that would be cocaine production
Seriously , my leafes always were of a high quality.
I mentioned in another thread, but I never used cocaine and wouldnt, but once a friend was in peru for a while and he brought some coca tea.. It is great!
It gives one a certain light-headedness (sort of like the onset of a trip), a bit of extra energy, nothing to strong but I definitely felt something.
I see a big big distinction between cocaine and coca leaves. Coca leaves is perfectly fine imo.. Cocaine, on the other hand.... I have seen people (close friends) get 'lost' because of it, I saw very strongly how it exacerbates certain pernicious functions of the ego, with not much positive in return except the (unsustainable) pleasure.. Plus the fact that the whole cocaine industry is very damaging to the environment, and all the violence associated.. Its as if every line of cocaine has a 'drop of blood' in it (metaphorically)..
In USA or europe the end users are quite far removed from the origins, so there is a certain glamour to cocaine, there is not much thought of the whole industry behind it and the consequences it had to exist and be there in front of the user. A visit to a Rio slum (or I can imagine to a colombian one) is bound to make one think twice about it.. Sure this is mostly result from the prohibition, but in my mind it doesnt matter much.. Its as if one says:"ok look, here is a shirt, made of slave work. If you buy, you support the slave industry.. This slave industry wouldnt exist if it wasnt for the system, so its the system's fault.. you want to buy the shirt" ? I say no, because the fact is that as a consumer, I have an impact in maintaining or not the industry, and I prefer giving money to something else, even if this means I wont have the benefit of using that nice shirt. But in any case even if it was in a good legal industry, I still wouldnt use it, but each one to his own, I cant judge somebody else.
buying coca leaves, though, is obviously completely different. The big drug dealers have no interest in selling coca leaves, there is not enough profit, so those that do are small/medium producers that are separated from the cocaine business...
It gives one a certain light-headedness (sort of like the onset of a trip), a bit of extra energy, nothing to strong but I definitely felt something.
I see a big big distinction between cocaine and coca leaves. Coca leaves is perfectly fine imo.. Cocaine, on the other hand.... I have seen people (close friends) get 'lost' because of it, I saw very strongly how it exacerbates certain pernicious functions of the ego, with not much positive in return except the (unsustainable) pleasure.. Plus the fact that the whole cocaine industry is very damaging to the environment, and all the violence associated.. Its as if every line of cocaine has a 'drop of blood' in it (metaphorically)..
In USA or europe the end users are quite far removed from the origins, so there is a certain glamour to cocaine, there is not much thought of the whole industry behind it and the consequences it had to exist and be there in front of the user. A visit to a Rio slum (or I can imagine to a colombian one) is bound to make one think twice about it.. Sure this is mostly result from the prohibition, but in my mind it doesnt matter much.. Its as if one says:"ok look, here is a shirt, made of slave work. If you buy, you support the slave industry.. This slave industry wouldnt exist if it wasnt for the system, so its the system's fault.. you want to buy the shirt" ? I say no, because the fact is that as a consumer, I have an impact in maintaining or not the industry, and I prefer giving money to something else, even if this means I wont have the benefit of using that nice shirt. But in any case even if it was in a good legal industry, I still wouldnt use it, but each one to his own, I cant judge somebody else.
buying coca leaves, though, is obviously completely different. The big drug dealers have no interest in selling coca leaves, there is not enough profit, so those that do are small/medium producers that are separated from the cocaine business...
SWIM is against how most people overdo cocaine use, turning into 'pitiful monsters' (and has generally only done it when offered by others rather than bought it), and has identified that he felt this way when he has overdone it too and didn't like it, but still he's glad he's tried it. Whenever he needs to feel confident, he just imagines the feeling it can give, as if that memory were the essence of confidence, and that acts as a little ritual to summon confidence. Then he grabs his fear by the balls and just does whatever it is he was wanting to do.
Have any SWIY's grown their own before? I have heard one person did from the supplier I'd heard of. The seeds germinated and grew just fine into little plants, and only died when that person went on holiday for a coupl of weeks and so without arranging for them to be watered.
SWIM has read that the plant is sensitive to change, being happiest at a constant 20 degrees C, so he wonders if it would survive in a temperate zone?
Have any SWIY's grown their own before? I have heard one person did from the supplier I'd heard of. The seeds germinated and grew just fine into little plants, and only died when that person went on holiday for a coupl of weeks and so without arranging for them to be watered.
SWIM has read that the plant is sensitive to change, being happiest at a constant 20 degrees C, so he wonders if it would survive in a temperate zone?
Observant
Nothing Stops The Void
I really feel deeply sorry for those , especially , the many poor girls , who are systematically enslaved through and by cocaine .
Really ...so many confidently sick and bad guys out there ...
Don't buy Cocaine , even if you think you don't harm yourself !!
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A buddy i have bought erytoxylum seeds and grew them successfully , he reported it at Mycotopia i think.
I have never seen pictures of bigger homegrown specimen i think, just his young ones.
I still have some seeds laying around , but i think they wont germinate anymore ...
Does anyone know if Coca Leafes are a common ingredient for Aya' Brews , are there Sources for this ?
I heard it eases the stomache , preventing nausea when used in the brew , are they listed in any recipe ?
Really ...so many confidently sick and bad guys out there ...
Don't buy Cocaine , even if you think you don't harm yourself !!
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A buddy i have bought erytoxylum seeds and grew them successfully , he reported it at Mycotopia i think.
I have never seen pictures of bigger homegrown specimen i think, just his young ones.
I still have some seeds laying around , but i think they wont germinate anymore ...
Does anyone know if Coca Leafes are a common ingredient for Aya' Brews , are there Sources for this ?
I heard it eases the stomache , preventing nausea when used in the brew , are they listed in any recipe ?
almostacontam
Rising Star
i've never really seen why poeple think cocaine is such a bad drug.
i think if you know how to keep yourself from getting addicted it can be perfectly fine.
the first time i did it i was with a small group of people. we all did it, and just sat and talked to each other the entire time. those people overnight became some of my best friends. and still to this day are. and i have had a much easier time opening up to people even years after that experiance.
the positive effects on my life this experiance and a few others on cocaine, rival how much mushrooms have added to my life.
i think if you know how to keep yourself from getting addicted it can be perfectly fine.
the first time i did it i was with a small group of people. we all did it, and just sat and talked to each other the entire time. those people overnight became some of my best friends. and still to this day are. and i have had a much easier time opening up to people even years after that experiance.
the positive effects on my life this experiance and a few others on cocaine, rival how much mushrooms have added to my life.
Observant
Nothing Stops The Void
Denial ? Take a closer look ...almostacontam said:
I know my english isn't the best , but the responses in this thread gave quite a few good reasons
why one should consider Cocaine a mostly bad drug.
I also experienced that hard drugs can be quite pleasurable .. but come on , that doesnt make them recommendable in any way.
Anyway , peace .
PS:
Mushrooms don't harm anyone. Coke kills , everyday.
It's only too bad that coke doesn't have a status similar to DMT, as in people extracting it themselves and sharing amongst friends. We would all have a much different view of cocaine if that were the case. The only ethical concern regarding the use of cocaine itself is the violence and slavery wrought by the cartels who make and sell it.
SWIM's always been able to use in moderation (even when he was making enough money to keep a steady supply), but hasn't used it in well over a year. SWIM would probably rotate between use of the leaf and use of the extract if the options were available to him, as he enjoys both, but would prefer to keep a balance.
Anybody can destroy their lives with anything, if they are so inclined. Our culture lacks respect for these sorts of substances, whether for them or against them, and this is what exacerbates the negative potential of the substance. If we could treat cocaine with respect and recognize its power, maybe we could eliminate the black market--thus eliminate the vast majority of problems associated with it--treat addiction in a more realistic and sympathetic manner, and unlock cocaine potential benefits to culture.
SWIM's always been able to use in moderation (even when he was making enough money to keep a steady supply), but hasn't used it in well over a year. SWIM would probably rotate between use of the leaf and use of the extract if the options were available to him, as he enjoys both, but would prefer to keep a balance.
Anybody can destroy their lives with anything, if they are so inclined. Our culture lacks respect for these sorts of substances, whether for them or against them, and this is what exacerbates the negative potential of the substance. If we could treat cocaine with respect and recognize its power, maybe we could eliminate the black market--thus eliminate the vast majority of problems associated with it--treat addiction in a more realistic and sympathetic manner, and unlock cocaine potential benefits to culture.
Observant
Nothing Stops The Void
amor_fati said:
Thats another reason to absolutely say no to black market Cocaine.
I certainly hope that the worlds governments will make it easier to import coca tea from South American Countries.
I already tested 2 good vendors for coca leafs , but i feel its a bit risky to order , .
Hopefully I will find a europe based Vendor soon ^^
Bullethead
Rising Star
Hi everyone! Newb here with some newb questions. Can someone explain the difference between the Coca leaves that claim to be "decocainized"??? <---spelling
How does one tell the difference other than purchasing some and chewing some leaves to see if your mouth goes numb? Is this the only way to tell?
Can anyone recomend a good reliable place that does online ordering to the US?
Is it currently safe to order the leaves in the US? Better to import or not? I have read and found conflicting documents on what exactly is ok? I am interested in medical use like lowering blood pressure, not trying to manufacture cocain or anything like that, but I would like to get the best coca leaves possible..if that even makes sense.....
Thanks in advance for any information!
How does one tell the difference other than purchasing some and chewing some leaves to see if your mouth goes numb? Is this the only way to tell?
Can anyone recomend a good reliable place that does online ordering to the US?
Is it currently safe to order the leaves in the US? Better to import or not? I have read and found conflicting documents on what exactly is ok? I am interested in medical use like lowering blood pressure, not trying to manufacture cocain or anything like that, but I would like to get the best coca leaves possible..if that even makes sense.....
Thanks in advance for any information!
Bullethead- the difference is that the decocainised leaves have had the cocaine extracted from them already. There are other alkaloids in coca leaves, but I don't know if they end up getting extracted too or not. I don't know anything about US law so can't advise you on your other questions.
I have questions too!
Let's turn this thread around from the previous negativity into some useful entho talk, it's a mamacoca thread not a cocaine thread after all...
1. What is the traditional chewing dose (in grams or leaves) and technique? (How much llipta to use etc)
2. Is baking soda better than llipta? Dreamers like to balance health with effects and economy somehow, health being the most important.
3. What do you think of other preparations, such as the tea, smoking (apparently Shakespeare liked this), or Vin Mariani (coca leaves steeped in alcohol, apparently a drink of choice for Queen Victoria)?
4. What is the optimal way to store coca leaves? Keep airtight or dry them out? Do they lose potency? They smell reasonably fresh, a bit like a garden, one wouldn't want them going mouldy...
Erowid's pretty bare, which is surprising to me. So far I've found someone saying that the natives chew 8-10g(?!!) and that you can make good shots of the stuff by putting it into a bottle of vodka. However, everyone on there is using teabags, not leaves, so all their dosages are in units of teabag! All replies appreciated and thanks in advance
I have questions too!
Let's turn this thread around from the previous negativity into some useful entho talk, it's a mamacoca thread not a cocaine thread after all...
1. What is the traditional chewing dose (in grams or leaves) and technique? (How much llipta to use etc)
2. Is baking soda better than llipta? Dreamers like to balance health with effects and economy somehow, health being the most important.
3. What do you think of other preparations, such as the tea, smoking (apparently Shakespeare liked this), or Vin Mariani (coca leaves steeped in alcohol, apparently a drink of choice for Queen Victoria)?
4. What is the optimal way to store coca leaves? Keep airtight or dry them out? Do they lose potency? They smell reasonably fresh, a bit like a garden, one wouldn't want them going mouldy...
Erowid's pretty bare, which is surprising to me. So far I've found someone saying that the natives chew 8-10g(?!!) and that you can make good shots of the stuff by putting it into a bottle of vodka. However, everyone on there is using teabags, not leaves, so all their dosages are in units of teabag! All replies appreciated and thanks in advance
Hehe yes I read about that!Observant said:
I'd also be interested to know if people who have tried both decocainised commercial tea and tea made naturally from the leaves could tell the difference?ohayoco said:I have questions too!
Let's turn this thread around from the previous negativity into some useful entho talk, it's a mamacoca thread not a cocaine thread after all...
1. What is the traditional chewing dose (in grams or leaves) and technique? (How much llipta to use etc)
2. Is baking soda better than llipta? Dreamers like to balance health with effects and economy somehow, health being the most important.
3. What do you think of other preparations, such as the tea, smoking (apparently Shakespeare liked this), or Vin Mariani (coca leaves steeped in alcohol, apparently a drink of choice for Queen Victoria)?
4. What is the optimal way to store coca leaves? Keep airtight or dry them out? Do they lose potency? They smell reasonably fresh, a bit like a garden, one wouldn't want them going mouldy...
I was wondering if the other alkaloids are significant enough that decocainised coca tea can be just as beneficial. Also, I'd like to know how they go about decocainising the leaves, i.e. is it a horrible unhealthy or unenvironmental process the result of which I wouldn't want to be drinking?
Observant
Nothing Stops The Void
1. Just try for yourself ... you cant take too much .
2. I think both have their pros and cons - i dont like the taste of Llipta ... but Sodium Bicarbonate... lots of Sodium are disgusting too.
3.Tea is nice , but i dont notice the psychoactivity , other than it feeling like a healthy supplement. Alcoholic Preparations from coca leafes do have psychoactivity ,see cocaethylen. The Leaves can be smoked , but you would have to treat them beforehand to concentrate and basify their actives
4. Dry them and store them tightly packed in a dry , dark and cool place
Where does one buy this decocainized coca tea ?? I dont like the thought.
They extract the Cocaine and say :"Were just dococainizing the precious coca tea " What a joke .
I will stick to the good stuff.
2. I think both have their pros and cons - i dont like the taste of Llipta ... but Sodium Bicarbonate... lots of Sodium are disgusting too.
3.Tea is nice , but i dont notice the psychoactivity , other than it feeling like a healthy supplement. Alcoholic Preparations from coca leafes do have psychoactivity ,see cocaethylen. The Leaves can be smoked , but you would have to treat them beforehand to concentrate and basify their actives
4. Dry them and store them tightly packed in a dry , dark and cool place
Where does one buy this decocainized coca tea ?? I dont like the thought.
They extract the Cocaine and say :"Were just dococainizing the precious coca tea " What a joke .
I will stick to the good stuff.
I have never come across decocanized leaf, ever. All the teas out there are just coca leaf in a bag. I belive that only the Coca-cola company imports decocained leaf, but I'd have to check on that.
I have had a few packages of coca tea bought from S. America opened by customs and sent right through. Mysterious Boliva is a great source and I've never had a problem getting my tea. Keep orders small and it won't be an issue. Don't buy 20kgs of leaf, get a box or two of tea bags if you want to experiment. Amazon has Windsor Coca Tea as well as a few other brands which work well. Ecrater has coca tea (shipped from US so no customs). It's really not on the US customs list of things to worry about.
As for dosage, 1 teabag (1 gram) of dried leaf is good to start with. Cramming ones mouth full of leaf does not really increase the effects for some reason....and it is a mess. Stacking quids back to back is the best way to really feel the effects. Quid for 20-30 minutes, chuck the quid, stick another quid in a different part of the mouth, repeat as needed.
Personally for quiding I use baking soda as it doesn't burn the gums and works as well as any other base I've used, including lipta (damn that stuff burns). A pinch of sodium carbonate also works, but only use a pinch. Not the best tasting of things, but you get used to it. I drink a cup a day and quid most days. It really is nothing at all like purified cocaine. Very gentle and pleasant with no crash....it's like 2 cups of coffee without the jitters and nasty crash (hate too much caffeine).
Smoking the leaves is kind of pointless. Quid it if you want stronger effects than the tea...or make a CRUDE extract using alcohol and quid the extract mixed in with some leaf.
I have had a few packages of coca tea bought from S. America opened by customs and sent right through. Mysterious Boliva is a great source and I've never had a problem getting my tea. Keep orders small and it won't be an issue. Don't buy 20kgs of leaf, get a box or two of tea bags if you want to experiment. Amazon has Windsor Coca Tea as well as a few other brands which work well. Ecrater has coca tea (shipped from US so no customs). It's really not on the US customs list of things to worry about.
As for dosage, 1 teabag (1 gram) of dried leaf is good to start with. Cramming ones mouth full of leaf does not really increase the effects for some reason....and it is a mess. Stacking quids back to back is the best way to really feel the effects. Quid for 20-30 minutes, chuck the quid, stick another quid in a different part of the mouth, repeat as needed.
Personally for quiding I use baking soda as it doesn't burn the gums and works as well as any other base I've used, including lipta (damn that stuff burns). A pinch of sodium carbonate also works, but only use a pinch. Not the best tasting of things, but you get used to it. I drink a cup a day and quid most days. It really is nothing at all like purified cocaine. Very gentle and pleasant with no crash....it's like 2 cups of coffee without the jitters and nasty crash (hate too much caffeine).
Smoking the leaves is kind of pointless. Quid it if you want stronger effects than the tea...or make a CRUDE extract using alcohol and quid the extract mixed in with some leaf.
SWIM's heard that the Windsor may be a little lacking compared to the MacMatte, but he hasn't really noticed a difference, himself. SWIM has used baking soda and washing soda, and the washing soda seemed to work best for him (by adding a saturated solution to the leaves until completely wet. SWIM prefers the powder over the bags, simply because it's cheaper and less wasteful for quids, and he'd like to be able to make iced coca tea.
Coca's alks seem to be more agreeable for SWIM's body than caffeine.
Mysterious Bolivia claims that it's coca is organic and not decocanized.
Coca's alks seem to be more agreeable for SWIM's body than caffeine.
Mysterious Bolivia claims that it's coca is organic and not decocanized.
Thanks for the info. Is there a trick to the quidding? Dreamers get impatient with little happening when a quid is stuck in the side of their mouths, so they chew the leaves up which works awesomely, but they then end up with bits in their teeth and so much saliva that they can't speak, which isn't good. Swallowing the saliva seemed to lessen the effects.
Dreamers have been swallowing the quids because its tidier! Is that unhealthy? Do the Andeans always spit it out?
Finally, what's the optimal amount of baking soda? I expect it's best to use as little as possible.
Dreamers have been swallowing the quids because its tidier! Is that unhealthy? Do the Andeans always spit it out?
Finally, what's the optimal amount of baking soda? I expect it's best to use as little as possible.