To be honest, we should be using something that looks more like this.
Anyone know botanists in Puerto Rico? Would love to cultivate some wild Coleus scutellarioides. I think every cultivar will produce varying results.
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Anyone know botanists in Puerto Rico? Would love to cultivate some wild Coleus scutellarioides. I think every cultivar will produce varying results.
Took 2g dried coleus powder utilizing my latest methods from Salvine Tek. The most noticeable effect was intense stomach cramping for ~2 hours.
There may have been 15-30 minutes where I felt a little stoned—as if giving half my attention to two things simultaneously became more difficult—but it was not as noticeable or euphoric as smoking. Distraction may have been related to the stomach discomfort. Zero notable negative effects after cramping had stopped (evacuation next day was also normal). Meditation had not been significantly altered.
I have no idea if my sudden onset of cramping was related or just bad timing, so a 4g test will happen in the near future. The obvious suspicion is that extract may be more fruitful—that will have to wait until after I get extracts working with Salvine Tek.
Sublingual would also be worth testing, though I don’t expect to have the required quantity of leaves anytime soon.
Oh, and taste was definitely more manageable than salvia powder; I find that anything with anthocyanins has a refreshing taste.
There may have been 15-30 minutes where I felt a little stoned—as if giving half my attention to two things simultaneously became more difficult—but it was not as noticeable or euphoric as smoking. Distraction may have been related to the stomach discomfort. Zero notable negative effects after cramping had stopped (evacuation next day was also normal). Meditation had not been significantly altered.
I have no idea if my sudden onset of cramping was related or just bad timing, so a 4g test will happen in the near future. The obvious suspicion is that extract may be more fruitful—that will have to wait until after I get extracts working with Salvine Tek.
Sublingual would also be worth testing, though I don’t expect to have the required quantity of leaves anytime soon.
Oh, and taste was definitely more manageable than salvia powder; I find that anything with anthocyanins has a refreshing taste.
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Interesting and potentially valuable development:
Last night I washed and chewed two rounds of ~4 coleus leaves while drawing (8 total with stems intact)—kept bouncing back and forth between thinking there was an effect and then believing it to be placebo. Ultimately, this felt more like wishful thinking. A few hours later I went to bed.
After four or five hours of sleeping, I entered the longest lucid dream of my life. Furthermore, it was possible to return to it after briefly waking several times. Characters in my dream were vying for my attention, and I was able to say “no, I’m going to do this other thing / make something else happen because it’s only a dream.” I also remember—while still dreaming—my surprise with being able to remain in that state. The major drawback was feeling exhausted this morning.
Obviously requires more testing, but—if it’s repeatable—I’ve never encountered this strong of an impact on dreams with anything else.
Only supplement that I’m taking which could be relevant to this effect is 5-HTP.
Last night I washed and chewed two rounds of ~4 coleus leaves while drawing (8 total with stems intact)—kept bouncing back and forth between thinking there was an effect and then believing it to be placebo. Ultimately, this felt more like wishful thinking. A few hours later I went to bed.
After four or five hours of sleeping, I entered the longest lucid dream of my life. Furthermore, it was possible to return to it after briefly waking several times. Characters in my dream were vying for my attention, and I was able to say “no, I’m going to do this other thing / make something else happen because it’s only a dream.” I also remember—while still dreaming—my surprise with being able to remain in that state. The major drawback was feeling exhausted this morning.
Obviously requires more testing, but—if it’s repeatable—I’ve never encountered this strong of an impact on dreams with anything else.
Only supplement that I’m taking which could be relevant to this effect is 5-HTP.
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TheGreenPhantom
Titanium Teammate
So... you just quidded the leaves? Did you take anything else? How long did you hold the quid/saliva for?
I chewed each set of ~4 leaves (some attached to younger leaves, flower buds, and stems) for 20-30 minutes before washing down with water; essentially topped the plants and decided it was worth testing this ROA.
Was a very lazy quid because I wasn’t expecting much. I’ll likely wait a few days—in case of any potential tolerances—and then will try again with more leaves.
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Nice.
My seedlings, meanwhile, are looking promising
My seedlings, meanwhile, are looking promising
Either my previous experience was pure coincidence, or coleus needs to be smoked / quidded.
This time I took a larger quantity of leaves, emulsified the bejeebus out of them with 1g phosphatidylcholine (bioavailability enhancer for lipophilic compounds), and chugged that roughly an hour before bed. Dreams were pronounced, but nothing like the former test. This means that—for me—both fresh and dried leaves have failed to produce any significant effects with oral ROA, but smoked and quidded (especially quidded) led to more profound dreams. Perhaps the subtle effect I had when chewing wasn’t placebo, because I can confidently say that absolutely nothing was felt from this brew or 4g of dried powder (both were combined with phospholipids).
Research leads to some unique compounds (royleanones, spirocoleons: spiroscutelone A-C, coleon O—abietane diterpenes), but there’s very little published in terms of metabolism. I’ll likely return to quidding / smoking dried leaves, see if the impact on dreams is repeatable, and then start playing around with natural inhibitors for oral ROA (CYP34A is probably a good place to start).
This time I took a larger quantity of leaves, emulsified the bejeebus out of them with 1g phosphatidylcholine (bioavailability enhancer for lipophilic compounds), and chugged that roughly an hour before bed. Dreams were pronounced, but nothing like the former test. This means that—for me—both fresh and dried leaves have failed to produce any significant effects with oral ROA, but smoked and quidded (especially quidded) led to more profound dreams. Perhaps the subtle effect I had when chewing wasn’t placebo, because I can confidently say that absolutely nothing was felt from this brew or 4g of dried powder (both were combined with phospholipids).
Research leads to some unique compounds (royleanones, spirocoleons: spiroscutelone A-C, coleon O—abietane diterpenes), but there’s very little published in terms of metabolism. I’ll likely return to quidding / smoking dried leaves, see if the impact on dreams is repeatable, and then start playing around with natural inhibitors for oral ROA (CYP34A is probably a good place to start).
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JungleGhost
Nocturnal Scavenger
@Transform how did you use it? If you don't mind my asking...
Smoked it in a pipe, if you mean the "Electric Lime"-looking one that was definitely active.
The one time I've had an undeniably lucid dreaming experience was after chewing a large coleus leaf. I woke up in the night and heard the leaf drop (it was that large) so I took this as a sign to try chewing/quidding it before drifting back off to sleep.
Now, if I could actually specifically remember the content of that particular dream… but the memory label we're stuck with is "definitely lucid". However, running through all my most memorable dreams puts me in an odd mindstate, so I'll have to stop thinking about this.
More information may resurface over the next few days, but the main point was that lucidity appears best achieved via qudding, to add confirmation to @stuartroelke's observation.
Despite my previous... reservations, I had an opportunity to propagate some coleus cuttings that may or may not be the "Electric Lime" cultivar. My complaint was also misguided, as the name is trademarked, but there doesn't seem to be a plant patent associated with it—a layperson could sell cuttings of this coleus so long as they don't call it "Electric Lime" (my bad).
Unfortunately, this variety may not be genetically similar everywhere that it is sold. The trademark owners have no obligation to guarantee the exact same genetic makeup when selling under that name. I wondered about this while looking over images a while back, as some seem to have a slightly different appearance.
Regardless, the trichomes are definitely more substantial on these leaves—I think @Transform may be right about this one. If there are interesting compounds, that's probably where they'd be.
Unfortunately, this variety may not be genetically similar everywhere that it is sold. The trademark owners have no obligation to guarantee the exact same genetic makeup when selling under that name. I wondered about this while looking over images a while back, as some seem to have a slightly different appearance.
Regardless, the trichomes are definitely more substantial on these leaves—I think @Transform may be right about this one. If there are interesting compounds, that's probably where they'd be.
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TheGreenPhantom
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12:50am
Quidded three 13.5cm-long leaves, about the size of a woman's hand. These were picked ~5 hours earlier from a large and healthy plant at the side of a busy road. The central veins were hot pink up to the center of the leaves, which were mostly maroon, framed by bright green along the edges. On the top side, the leaves had a shimmery luster.
The taste was watery, and slightly bitter.
12:57am
I just perceived a slight shift in consciousness... I suddenly feel more alert, yet calm. The fucking bitterness is starting to get to me.
1:01am
Eyes getting heavy... jeez, should I swallow?
1:10am
Falling asleep. Stable hypnogogic images... I'm going to spit out the quid, as what little saliva I swallowed is making my stomach rumble...
...I did not have any lucid dreams... further testing is necessary.
Quidded three 13.5cm-long leaves, about the size of a woman's hand. These were picked ~5 hours earlier from a large and healthy plant at the side of a busy road. The central veins were hot pink up to the center of the leaves, which were mostly maroon, framed by bright green along the edges. On the top side, the leaves had a shimmery luster.
The taste was watery, and slightly bitter.
12:57am
I just perceived a slight shift in consciousness... I suddenly feel more alert, yet calm. The fucking bitterness is starting to get to me.
1:01am
Eyes getting heavy... jeez, should I swallow?
1:10am
Falling asleep. Stable hypnogogic images... I'm going to spit out the quid, as what little saliva I swallowed is making my stomach rumble...
...I did not have any lucid dreams... further testing is necessary.
I'd personally suggest that you aim to use plants grown at least 100 m from traffic. Air pollution can degrade active compounds, and various other kinds of contaminants (metals, PAH, etc.) may not be healthy for you.
TheGreenPhantom
Titanium Teammate
Good advice... I didn't think about that (or conveniently forgot)!
I should probably just take a cutting....
Yes, they usually propagate rather well like that. I've kept one going for about 5 years with cuttings. Maybe if I'd been better at repotting, the mother plant might have survived. It seems to be the roots that eventually give up when they're kept in pots.
TheGreenPhantom
Titanium Teammate
The plant I'll be taking a cutting from is potted... in a very large pot. Maybe that's the trick to it....
