I think they may have changed the name again. Capricrous bunch, these botanists…
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Coleus blumei?
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I believe it's "Coleus scutellarioides" now, but I still don't even understand how it differs from Salvia divinorum in terms of genus—they have a ton of similarities. Read that it's related to the type of "lever pollination mechanism" within flowers.
I've performed exactly two new tests with my reddish coleus—will start referring to it as Coleus "UNK," which is shorthand for "Coleus scutellarioides var. unknown"
1. Chewed lots of UNK leaves. Started to feel the typical drowsiness, albeit less pronounced than with previous attempts. Dreamt that I was shopping for a dream journal—never became fully lucid during that activity. Could have either been too few leaves or poor absorption (will start weighing fresh leaves moving forward). Might also be placebo due to actively hoping for an effect on dreaming.
2. Took 100mg harmalas, waited ~15 minutes, then slowly chewed lots of UNK leaves. Felt the harmalas more than anything. No noticeable impact on dreaming, which is odd; usually I have trouble sleeping while on harmalas.
Both quids were consumed within ~2 hours before bed. Next experiment will involve grapefruit juice and berberine (targetting CYP450 enzymes).
spand or plant pecan contains harmaline. We used the Coleus scutellarioides with pecan tonight and slowly increased the amount. Only the harmaline effect is noticeable and no other effects are visible. It does not seem to work. Our plan is to look into extracting dmt and share our experiences later. We used Coleus scutellarioides as a source of dmt but it did not work.
Ingested 12oz grapefruit juice, some homemade berberine tincture, and then immediately started chewing UNK leaves while working in the garden. At some point I got fed up with chewing and decided to look up reports from folks who claim to have felt effects from coleus—most revolved around brewing tea or smoking dried leaves (maybe heat is beneficial). I brewed three cups and drank them over the course of ~90 minutes. Very peculiar how the anthocyanins almost immediately move from fresh leaves into water before it’s even boiling (see attached images).
I experienced that same sleepy feeling while awake, but woke up uneasy and anxious a few times during the night. No OEVs or CEVs; dreaming was not lucid; got ~8 hours of sleep. Fragments of dreams can be remembered, though they were more unhinged and upsetting than usual.
Perhaps there are only physiological effects from the various abietane diterpenoids? These compounds could potentially improve awareness of dreaming at low doses (disrupt deep sleep), but cause physical discomfort at high doses. Or, maybe I overshot inhibition of some CYP450 enzymes by combining grapefruit juice with berberine.
This experiment involved ~20g fresh leaf total (the most I’ve taken so far). I likely won’t feel safe pushing above ~30g fresh leaf if anxiety and discomfort persist. Oddly, I do feel rejuvenated today for whatever reason.
I experienced that same sleepy feeling while awake, but woke up uneasy and anxious a few times during the night. No OEVs or CEVs; dreaming was not lucid; got ~8 hours of sleep. Fragments of dreams can be remembered, though they were more unhinged and upsetting than usual.
Perhaps there are only physiological effects from the various abietane diterpenoids? These compounds could potentially improve awareness of dreaming at low doses (disrupt deep sleep), but cause physical discomfort at high doses. Or, maybe I overshot inhibition of some CYP450 enzymes by combining grapefruit juice with berberine.
This experiment involved ~20g fresh leaf total (the most I’ve taken so far). I likely won’t feel safe pushing above ~30g fresh leaf if anxiety and discomfort persist. Oddly, I do feel rejuvenated today for whatever reason.
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In one of the experiments, I read that the purple type with fluff and velvet was used. But I have used different types and so far there has been no result.
I also don't know what kind was used by the natives in South America. If you have any information on this, please share. Thank you.
Esfand, or peganum. Pecan is something else.
There is no DMT in Coleus. Psychoactive effects there are due to salvinorin A - an entirely different, non-alkaloid compound - but it seems not all varieties of Coleus scutellaroides produce significant amounts of salvinorins.
Where did you read that the purple coleus was used? Was it in combination with harmalas or other plants?
I recently had an unexpected experience after incorporating my unknown purple coleus (UNK) into a haphazard dieta—been playing with plant combinations when I'm not doing serious tests. The purple variety has always felt more potent during these limited experiments, but now I'm genuinely curious if it contains unique compounds that retain psychoactivity via enzyme inhibition. The "Electric Lime" coleus has a signifincatly different flavor profile in comparison (kinda spicey and unpleasant).
I'm going to start a new thread if my experience ends up being repeatable—it genuinely felt like I was beggining to feel the onset of a psychedelic substance.
