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Coleus blumei?
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I believe it's "Coleus scutellarioides" now, but I still don't even understand how it differs from Salvia divinorum in terms of genus—they have a ton of similarities. Read that it's related to the type of "lever pollination mechanism" within flowers.
I've performed exactly two new tests with my reddish coleus—will start referring to it as Coleus "UNK," which is shorthand for "Coleus scutellarioides var. unknown"
1. Chewed lots of UNK leaves. Started to feel the typical drowsiness, albeit less pronounced than with previous attempts. Dreamt that I was shopping for a dream journal—never became fully lucid during that activity. Could have either been too few leaves or poor absorption (will start weighing fresh leaves moving forward). Might also be placebo due to actively hoping for an effect on dreaming.
2. Took 100mg harmalas, waited ~15 minutes, then slowly chewed lots of UNK leaves. Felt the harmalas more than anything. No noticeable impact on dreaming, which is odd; usually I have trouble sleeping while on harmalas.
Both quids were consumed within ~2 hours before bed. Next experiment will involve grapefruit juice and berberine (targetting CYP450 enzymes).
spand or plant pecan contains harmaline. We used the Coleus scutellarioides with pecan tonight and slowly increased the amount. Only the harmaline effect is noticeable and no other effects are visible. It does not seem to work. Our plan is to look into extracting dmt and share our experiences later. We used Coleus scutellarioides as a source of dmt but it did not work.
Ingested 12oz grapefruit juice, some homemade berberine tincture, and then immediately started chewing UNK leaves while working in the garden. At some point I got fed up with chewing and decided to look up reports from folks who claim to have felt effects from coleus—most revolved around brewing tea or smoking dried leaves (maybe heat is beneficial). I brewed three cups and drank them over the course of ~90 minutes. Very peculiar how the anthocyanins almost immediately move from fresh leaves into water before it’s even boiling (see attached images).
I experienced that same sleepy feeling while awake, but woke up uneasy and anxious a few times during the night. No OEVs or CEVs; dreaming was not lucid; got ~8 hours of sleep. Fragments of dreams can be remembered, though they were more unhinged and upsetting than usual.
Perhaps there are only physiological effects from the various abietane diterpenoids? These compounds could potentially improve awareness of dreaming at low doses (disrupt deep sleep), but cause physical discomfort at high doses. Or, maybe I overshot inhibition of some CYP450 enzymes by combining grapefruit juice with berberine.
This experiment involved ~20g fresh leaf total (the most I’ve taken so far). I likely won’t feel safe pushing above ~30g fresh leaf if anxiety and discomfort persist. Oddly, I do feel rejuvenated today for whatever reason.
I experienced that same sleepy feeling while awake, but woke up uneasy and anxious a few times during the night. No OEVs or CEVs; dreaming was not lucid; got ~8 hours of sleep. Fragments of dreams can be remembered, though they were more unhinged and upsetting than usual.
Perhaps there are only physiological effects from the various abietane diterpenoids? These compounds could potentially improve awareness of dreaming at low doses (disrupt deep sleep), but cause physical discomfort at high doses. Or, maybe I overshot inhibition of some CYP450 enzymes by combining grapefruit juice with berberine.
This experiment involved ~20g fresh leaf total (the most I’ve taken so far). I likely won’t feel safe pushing above ~30g fresh leaf if anxiety and discomfort persist. Oddly, I do feel rejuvenated today for whatever reason.
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In one of the experiments, I read that the purple type with fluff and velvet was used. But I have used different types and so far there has been no result.
I also don't know what kind was used by the natives in South America. If you have any information on this, please share. Thank you.
Esfand, or peganum. Pecan is something else.
There is no DMT in Coleus. Psychoactive effects there are due to salvinorin A - an entirely different, non-alkaloid compound - but it seems not all varieties of Coleus scutellaroides produce significant amounts of salvinorins.
Where did you read that the purple coleus was used? Was it in combination with harmalas or other plants?
I recently had an unexpected experience after incorporating my unknown purple coleus (UNK) into a haphazard dieta—been playing with plant combinations when I'm not doing serious tests. The purple variety has always felt more potent during these limited experiments, but now I'm genuinely curious if it contains unique compounds that retain psychoactivity via enzyme inhibition. The "Electric Lime" coleus has a signifincatly different flavor profile in comparison (kinda spicey and unpleasant).
I'm going to start a new thread if my experience ends up being repeatable—it genuinely felt like I was beggining to feel the onset of a psychedelic substance.
Two more tests before this is sorted out. Today I will be taking a needed break.
It's either placebo, not related to coleus, or an effect triggered by combining coleus with two or more additional plants.
If I was a betting man, I'd put money on "not related to coleus," which is potentially still interesting if it does turn out to be an accessible legal high.
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One of the tests involved taking unknown purple coleus (UNK) leaves ~30 after harmalas, and I wound up feeling the harmalas less than usual. Similar to what @tooraj noted—there is no obvious interaction there. I also had a headache upon waking the next day, and that prompted me to further research potential toxicity of Coleus scutellarioides. So far, I've only found that some compounds are cytotoxic to cancer cells (in vitro).
It's either placebo, not related to coleus, or an effect triggered by combining coleus with two or more additional plants.
If I was a betting man, I'd put money on "not related to coleus," which is potentially still interesting if it does turn out to be an accessible legal high.
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One of the tests involved taking unknown purple coleus (UNK) leaves ~30 after harmalas, and I wound up feeling the harmalas less than usual. Similar to what @tooraj noted—there is no obvious interaction there. I also had a headache upon waking the next day, and that prompted me to further research potential toxicity of Coleus scutellarioides. So far, I've only found that some compounds are cytotoxic to cancer cells (in vitro).
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Looking again at your picture, the leaf outline, at least, is reminiscent of a Salvia guaranitica (possibly hybrid) that seems to be fairly common in cultivation - not that that necessarily means much. Beyond that, I hope you don't mind me posting these recent pics of my coleus plants that you inspired me to sow a few months back:
This variety appears to breed true to seed via self-fertilisation. There were also some adventitious Lippia dulcis (the green plan, below) seeds that made their way into the seed tray. It seems these two species are very happy to grow in intimate proximity. I wonder what might happen if they were ingested together?
harmala_afficianado
Titanium Teammate
I have had a very strange "trip" with similar looking leaves, using it with high dose rue, i somewhat enjoyed chewing a leaf or two of coleus but the trip i had eating too much leaves kinda turned me off, was so weird, it is def psychoactive though ime
Can you elaborate a bit more on your technique? A low dose of rue and a few coleus leaves were part of the herb mix that recently sent me into an unexpected—though brief—psychedelic state. Simply using rue or pure harmalas with coleus has not brought that same effect back. I'm currently checking for interactions between the other herbs.
This is the trending Coleus thread, so please share anything that's related
You've inspired me to research two new plants.
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harmala_afficianado
Titanium Teammate
at the time i was swallowing ground rue capsules, and i would chew the coleus leaves fresh, i first used about 2-3 leaves, for the first 2-3 days i think, and it was pretty nice with a nice glowing euphoria, then i chewed about 10 i think and i was really tripping, it felt like there was a reverse tolerance where each day coleus would be stronger, the "trip" or "high" (im not sure what to call it) was very strange, dont really know how to describe it but it def felt somewhat like how people describe low dose salvia, although i have never really tried salvia so not sure.
Rue at the same dosage at different times won't always have the same effect. Sometimes it's more psychedelic, or euphoric, or sedative. This seems to be due to, maybe, some kind of natural cycles of variance in the neurochemistry and/or metabolism. Dietary effects could well play a role, which kind of adds illumination to the idea behind the vegetalista dieta, perhaps.
What if there's a nominally active compound in coleus with a similar property of sensitivity to conditions? That could make things a tad tricky.
harmala_afficianado
Titanium Teammate
Ime this is somewhat true, the first 2-3 days i used coleus it was pretty mild, i just felt a nice mood boost/euphoria, third day it completely took me by surprise, and it wasn't the rue because rue hit the same as the days prior, i did almost double the amount of coleus but i surely did not expect anything close to what happened.
TheGreenPhantom
Titanium Teammate
Well, there's that old herbalist's adage that herbs that compliment each other are often found growing together. I've yet to corroborate this line of thinking, introduced to me by a college professor many years ago, but it makes me wonder about Chromolaena odorata, which often grows beside acacia trees....
teleccomythy
Rising Star
@stuartroelke I am glad to begin contributing here. my earlier years' basic interactings with coleus, as with most peoples' bringing seemingly very slight experiences, are preludes to new studying where i can try to share here what does or does not happen.
The main aspect i've noticed in earlier years with coleus is it can help with language in unique ways. Like if you're about to say something, you feel like you can then pause and conclude at the very beginning of the sentence and it still coherently feels like you've said the whole thing. Whenever that would happen it was from sublingually quidding a very small dry leaf. So it sort of allowed me to rewind and stop the playback of what i was saying instead of it mostly only going forwards,
Definitely without either trips or visuals sometimes a plant can still bring change in how we interact with reality including our own source material and how it organizes itself. So i guess if you have a small or medium dry leaf , it's possible that if you do language expression of some kind ( not necessarily typing but that's also something i haven't tried yet ) there may be some new threshholds for you to learn about and also continue with fresh leaves in however many ways too !!
The main aspect i've noticed in earlier years with coleus is it can help with language in unique ways. Like if you're about to say something, you feel like you can then pause and conclude at the very beginning of the sentence and it still coherently feels like you've said the whole thing. Whenever that would happen it was from sublingually quidding a very small dry leaf. So it sort of allowed me to rewind and stop the playback of what i was saying instead of it mostly only going forwards,
Definitely without either trips or visuals sometimes a plant can still bring change in how we interact with reality including our own source material and how it organizes itself. So i guess if you have a small or medium dry leaf , it's possible that if you do language expression of some kind ( not necessarily typing but that's also something i haven't tried yet ) there may be some new threshholds for you to learn about and also continue with fresh leaves in however many ways too !!
