TEK Converting CBD to THC using only Zeolite and heat.

[15082130]

Hello dear forum members!
I have a question. As i've heard the delta-9-thc is the kinetic byproduct of isomerisation and delta-8-thc is a thermodynamic so for better d9 yield it's better to perform reaction with less time and higher temperature. So here's the question: has anyone tried to quickly cool the mixture immediately right after synthesis to stop the reaction of isomerisation of d9 to d8? Because i think cooling our mixture after synthesis simply by waiting creates a place for unwanted reactions of isomerisation of d9.
English is not my first language so if there are some mistakes im sorry. Thank you.

EDIT: Also everyone here is preheating to 105 and then increasing temperature to 150. What if i preheat to 135 and wont change the temperature for better consistency of reaction?

 

[imeatall]

Hello dear forum members!
I have a question. As i've heard the delta-9-thc is the kinetic byproduct of isomerisation and delta-8-thc is a thermodynamic so for better d9 yield it's better to perform reaction with less time and higher temperature. So here's the question: has anyone tried to quickly cool the mixture immediately right after synthesis to stop the reaction of isomerisation of d9 to d8? Because i think cooling our mixture after synthesis simply by waiting creates a place for unwanted reactions of isomerisation of d9.
English is not my first language so if there are some mistakes im sorry. Thank you.

EDIT: Also everyone here is preheating to 105 and then increasing temperature to 150. What if i preheat to 135 and wont change the temperature for better consistency of reaction?

hi bro! We haven't come to a single method, but here's what I've heard: 7 minutes, 2 Zeo:1 CBD, 150°C, produces a Delta9 effect for many people, although this mixture retains most of the CBD. Someone wrote that 120°C is the most favorable temperature for D9. Two people did this. One used 120°C for 40-80 minutes, 2 Zeo:1 CBD. The other used 4-5 Zeo:1 CBD, 120°C, 10 minutes. He said the effect was similar to D9, and that more than 100 mg gave him a bad trip. I'm inclined to think the issue is bioavailability. I think you should try both 120°C and 150°C. Apparently, in the first minutes of the reaction, we get pure D9/CBD, and after a while, D9 begins to convert to D8, with D9 ceasing to appear during the reaction.

 

[15082130]

hi bro! We haven't come to a single method, but here's what I've heard: 7 minutes, 2 Zeo:1 CBD, 150°C, produces a Delta9 effect for many people, although this mixture retains most of the CBD. Someone wrote that 120°C is the most favorable temperature for D9. Two people did this. One used 120°C for 40-80 minutes, 2 Zeo:1 CBD. The other used 4-5 Zeo:1 CBD, 120°C, 10 minutes. He said the effect was similar to D9, and that more than 100 mg gave him a bad trip. I'm inclined to think the issue is bioavailability. I think you should try both 120°C and 150°C. Apparently, in the first minutes of the reaction, we get pure D9/CBD, and after a while, D9 begins to convert to D8, with D9 ceasing to appear during the reaction.

Thank you!
Also what if we try to increase the acidity of zeolite by adding small amounts of citric acid and some ascorbic acid for antioxidant properties? I've read almost everything available about this method on forums that i got my hands on and heard this might work. Also I believe that increasing the surface of reaction mixture will be better for controlling our reaction and better for it consistency. I will try to make two batches using 0.75g of cbd + 1.125 g of zeolite and ~0.1g of citric acid on pan. I'll post my results here stay tuned!

 

[imeatall]

Thank you!
Also what if we try to increase the acidity of zeolite by adding small amounts of citric acid and some ascorbic acid for antioxidant properties? I've read almost everything available about this method on forums that i got my hands on and heard this might work. Also I believe that increasing the surface of reaction mixture will be better for controlling our reaction and better for it consistency. I will try to make two batches using 0.75g of cbd + 1.125 g of zeolite and ~0.1g of citric acid on pan. I'll post my results here stay tuned!

Have a nice with your chemistry!
also, i think foil not only cover mix from oxygen, i think it do something with reaction. Anyway, if you wanna completly kill oxygen you can use perch paper + wrap it in foil, 1/2 zeo : 1 cbd, 120-150° be good. Time 5-60min max. Also, im read cbd can help if you ediblock.

 

[15082130]

I've made a first batch. Result was very surprising!

Here's the entire recipe:
Before: Prepare a cooling bath with ice and put dry container in and wait for it to lower its temperature.
1. Mix 0.75g of cbd + 1.13g zeo (98% zeolite clinoptiolite + 2% ascorbic acid) + ~0.08g of citric acid well.
2. Put it in parchment paper and wrap it up trying to do it airtight (flatter = better) and then in aluminum foil as well.
3. Preheat your heat source (pan for me) to 140 C and put our mixture in for 12 minutes.
4. Right after timer put it into our cooling bath container and wait for it to cool down.

Right after process i mixed the result 1:1 with oil and ate like 1/3 of this mixture (3 tea spoons with remaining zeolite in it). I think it was like 40 mins to 1,5 hours when effects started showing up and then it became absolute madness. I've never been this high in my life and my eyes was vibrant red. Very potent!

 

[ramcamedowntogeorgia]

Hello dear forum, first post. As a beginner scientist and a cannabist, this topic became my focus as of late.
I have tried to recreate the method using very, very at home methods, and the first result was a grey/salmon-color powder.
I have acquisited clenoptylolite of 50 microns, and 95% CBD isolate. I tried the aluminum foil method, trying to make it as flat and oxygenless as possible.
Because this was the first try, i only wanted to see a very little small of a reaction to see if it works.
The cbd and zeolite mix i did was volumetric - i do not have a scale - 1 part cbd, 2 parts zeolite (volumetric!)
I have put them in an aluminum foil letter, flattening as much as i can and making sure its max oxygen free.
I am using an old oven (~15 years), convection method (as eskacz recommended), first try at 130*, second at 150*.
First batch was vol. 1cbd:2zeo at 130*C. After checking that the result was a gray powder, i repacked it, upped the oven temp to 150*C and put it in again for ~17 minutes, also including a new test batch of ~~0.1g CBD/x zeolite (just to see if anything other than grey powder appears).
I did not have any success in this method, i will try another heat source next try.
I haven't preprocessed the zeolite in any ways, the experiment was done right out of the packages that i received (zeolite+cbd isolate).

I do not have a thermometer inside my oven, nor do i have an idea if that precise temperature control is needed for the reaction, however if the components were mixed, i think statistically at least some reaction should happen evern if the real oven temperature was a bit below the neccessary temperature.

I also have a different quora, because as it is in research, the Y-type zeolite, which has the highest porous diameter, yielded the best results overall. How come then, that clenoptylolite also achieves similiar conversion efficiency (relatively- >70% from paper vs alleged 50%) effect, even though it usually has lesser pore diameter than the CDB? Would it make sense to assume that, using zeolite that has smaller pores, the cyclization process only happens when the cbd molecules are very-near-and-perpendicular to the outermost walls of the zeolite structures? And so, when zeolite has pores that allow for CBD to pass, the electrostatic forces (resulting from the acidic characteristics of zeolite, namely lack of an electron) and the general uniform negative field in-zeolite cause the transformation of the molecule?
Please correct me wherever im wrong, i'm still learning. Not a chemist, a physicist.
Thank you all for your contribution,
yours truly
ram

 

[SecondSecondAssistant_HenEgg]

thanks for commenting pandora, yes i also look forward into seeing people in here trying out the method and reporting their results, this is actually a very old method, for anyone interested in more information about it, here is a google patent of it: US11352337B1 - Zeolite catalyst and method for preparation of aromatic tricyclic pyrans - Google Patents

also here's a pic of what the final solvent-cleaned product looks like:

Can this be vapourised in a Dab pen?

 

[Transform]

Can this be vapourised in a Dab pen?

If (iff) the product has been freed from all traces of zeolite particulate, I'd say yes.

 

[imeatall]

try these:
2 / 4 / 5 times of zeolite.
aluminium foil or alum. foil + perch. paper (im use foil wrapping like paper).
only 120° max temp !!! (that is most important).
time: 5-180 min.

 

[imeatall]

no, i just doesnt know what i do wrong.
I started using a CBD test. Anything less than 1–2 hours at 150°C doesn't result in complete isomerization. I assumed I had Ediblock, so I took the peak human dose of 100 mg and multiplied it by three, I ingested 300 mg of converted CBD but felt nothing. Then I prepared some vape juice, expecting it to actually work for me but it doesn't!

 

[fractals4life]

I started using a CBD test. Anything less than 1–2 hours at 150°C doesn't result in complete isomerization.

Does this mean you were looking for lack of CDB to indicate total conversion?
Because if so the THC may have gone on to be converted to other inactive cannabinoids during the rather long bake you gave the mix.

I gather from the early posts in this thread that the reaction can continue on beyond D8 THC with more heat and time, so the timing can be important.
Also THC will decompose at 200C so if your oven is too hot you could expect the same result.

Good luck with your process debugging!

 

[imeatall]

Does this mean you were looking for lack of CDB to indicate total conversion?
Because if so the THC may have gone on to be converted to other inactive cannabinoids during the rather long bake you gave the mix.

I gather from the early posts in this thread that the reaction can continue on beyond D8 THC with more heat and time, so the timing can be important.
Also THC will decompose at 200C so if your oven is too hot you could expect the same result.

Good luck with your process debugging!

Yes, over the last week, I’ve started relying on a CBD test, because my previous thousand attempts to make a viable product had all failed. I tried literally every method involving various zeolites and CBD. Once I started using the test and observed varying intensities of purple, I realized that in 100% of my previous attempts, no reaction had actually occurred—I had simply been consuming dirt mixed with CBD. What really puzzles me is the scent of citrusy lemon blossoms during the first 2–5 minutes of the reaction. It smells exactly like a Sativa bud. Apparently, d9 is present in the reaction only during those first few minutes; after that, it’s completely absent—as if d8 forms immediately.
Even if the final product is supposed to be 10% Delta-9 and 90% CBD, I still can't obtain it. That’s because Delta-9 isn't forming in my reactions, and I can't figure out why.

edit: guys try 120°, 20 min, 1:1.
result mix with any fat at heat.
edit2: im trying make a Traveler result (0% cbd 50% d8 34% d9). he use 1:1, 150°, alum foil, 30 min.
trying make same - result contain a lot cbd...
edit3: im just realize im not try product on 2-5 min where i feel d9 smeells.