clownshowhockey
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I'm wondering how bad a trip can be on DMT. I've always heard stories about bad trips on LSD and mushrooms which makes a bad trip sounds really intense. What's the degree of fear you can feel?
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Having had a fair amount of experience with psychedelics, especially considering my age, I feel quite safe in saying that the only "bad" trip is one where you truly don't learn anything. I've had difficult and maybe even harrowing experiences, but in all my explorations, even the most terrifying moments have not caused my to term any experience overall as "bad". Rough patches happen, and should be expected, just as in life...I know that doesn't answer your question but I find people tend to overuse and misapply the term "bad trip". As far as the degree of fear it is possible to experience on DMT...well, how about full blown, HOLY SHIT I'M COMPLETELY INSANE AND NOW KNOW WHAT IT IS TO BE A SCHIZOPHRENIC VEGETABLE! It can be terrifying, but usually I've found this level of terror has come on some experiences where I had much trouble accepting the start.
difficult experiences, not bad trips..
Letting go can be difficult indeed..until you do it..then you realize there wasnt much to it.
Letting go can be difficult indeed..until you do it..then you realize there wasnt much to it.
yea, that's always priceless...I know I was trying to do something...what was it...oh man, oh man, this is constricting...what was I doing agaiMY GOD THAT'S THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING I EVER...
SnozzleBerry said:
fractal enchantment said:
What the F**K?
We are playing a bunch of word games here! A bad trip is a bad trip. What is this nonsense? Are we trying to avoid the fact that psychedelics can cause a bad trip by labeling it something else? I feel like I'm hearing a bunch of politicians talking.
A DMT bad trip can be pretty scary. The severity of it has caused some people to never use psychedelics again. If you read some of the reports on the Nexus you’ll find a few people here who were scared shitless from a single DMT experience. The same is true for LSD and mushroom though. While each has its own unique flavor of a “bad trip”, they can all be very intense.
Probably the least likely to cause a “bad trip” is mescaline.
haha ya words are funny like that..
Ijust dont likethe term bad trip..I associate it with flashbacks and chromosome damage and all this other scare stuff from the 60's
Ijust dont likethe term bad trip..I associate it with flashbacks and chromosome damage and all this other scare stuff from the 60's
Ron, you label it as just semantics but the words we choose to describe our subjective realities ultimately shape our construct of reality. As such, the language we use to discuss these experiences is very important. I'm not trying to hide the potential for difficult experiences with DMT, obviously I would have left the end of my post out if that were my goal. I've NEVER had an experience that I would label as "Bad" on the whole, in fact those rough spots have made the rest of the experience that much more enjoyable as it creates a level of rebirth, imo. Thus, to my mind, I've never had a bad trip and can't comment on said phenomena.
I have to back Snozzleberry on this. I would even go so far to say that there are no bad , only different learning experiences. It's really about how you shape your reality.
I still percieve some things as bad though.
I still percieve some things as bad though.
OHHHH yeah! :lol:
Coming up, on that particular time (which I feel is nicely mirrored by the quote above), it was the only time, in years, EVER, where I have yelled, "I'M NEVER GOING TO DO THIS AGAIN!!!" (It was more like a soft moan, since I was so incapacitated.)
But, by the time it ended, it was one of the most amazing and insightful journeys, ever. (Edit: and my sitter was there for me, I was wholly prepared.)
The core of my intentions (borrowed from someone else who inspired me, can't take credit
) is always to expand my consciousness, and mature my soul. So, anything experienced and integrated through this framework, really can't be harmful. At least, for me.Would someone experiencing the same thing have a HORRIBLE trip if they didn't set intentions?
I've spoken with people who have had "bad mushroom trips," where they have experienced being all alone, creators of their own realities, etc. These people never had any "ceremonial" background. No one taught them the importance of breath, intention, mantra, and other absolutely indispensable tools for nagivation. Wasn't there that one famous DMT trip where that guy lost his mind, but he engaged the sacrament in a very messy house? If I just followed my knee-jerk panic responses, I probably would have spent many nights in hell (or stopped seeking
). But scary, overwhelming, ego-shattering, it's all very relative upon why the experience happens and how you choose to interface with it.I imagine my 3-d world is like an EXTREMELY complex interface for accessing my brain through entheogens, and hence, the utter important of setting. Anything symbolically performed before ritual: cleaning house, locking/unlocking doors, lighting a candle, is just like flipping switches on this 3-d reality machine that will impact what happens when I transcend beyond. Set/setting is a TOOL. (Nobody told me any of this the first time I ate mushrooms--nobody else probably had even the slightest CLUE!)
Is there not the freedom or clarity of thought and navigation with other substances that makes them more prone to resulting in a bad trip (LSD, wouldn't know, never tried)? Aya's especially amazing in that she DIRECTS you (body, breath, thoughts) through the experience. You can fight her, but I've never received any inspiration or guidance about the experience itself through mushrooms or Cannabis...
Even when I get reamed out for things in my life that desperately need change: I'm grateful. Better than the endogenous DMT trip on the death bed where God comes down, tells you the exact same things, and now it's like, "Well, shit, but I'm dead now." It is such an honor, so with gratitude and humility, what is really bad?
What is the difference between "bad" and "severe"? I've experience lots of severity, but nothing bad.
MagikVenom
Rising Star
clownshowhockey
Gary Zukav.. I like that guy he is my favorite Green Beret Vietnam Vet liberal who has taken many lives and since changed his ways to the opposite extreme. He is a human who I greatly respect.
Descriptions of a bad trip what a ridiculous question. Even in the nursery I find this question to indicate you are not ready friend. DMT should not be ones first psychedelic experience and its a big mistake promoting it as such. That said best of luck I sincerly mean that, because many of the answers given here are questionable at best.(yes I said it its true. sorry about that)
The R. man is abbreviating profanity's thats a new one on me!
He is correct, if you get your ass kicked it dont matter if it was a fairy or a devil a ass kicking is a ass kicking. Bad trip is is mild term these days I read the bad reports and most of them are a walk in the park for someone who has been there before. This is not a game nor a joke nor something to be taken lightly.
The molecule will effect you in a extremaly intense manner as will any strong psychedelic. If you want cup cakes and frosting go to the bakery.
A bad trip could be anything. Its a bit of a ridiculous question on a DMT board but times are a changing.
DMT is not about holding hands around the fire.(sorry) Its about ultimate reality it will twist you mind as it chooses and there will be no one there to answer your questions.
You may not remember you name or that you are human. Bad trip questions on a DMT board..? read some EROWID reports not the sugar coated Nexus fantasy of hypersex and dancing eleves.
I am a part of this little world and I love it.
Much of it is not true just like any other world and that said I choose this one as most true.
Think Free
Believe in NOTHING
Peace
MV
Gary Zukav.. I like that guy he is my favorite Green Beret Vietnam Vet liberal who has taken many lives and since changed his ways to the opposite extreme. He is a human who I greatly respect.
Descriptions of a bad trip what a ridiculous question. Even in the nursery I find this question to indicate you are not ready friend. DMT should not be ones first psychedelic experience and its a big mistake promoting it as such. That said best of luck I sincerly mean that, because many of the answers given here are questionable at best.(yes I said it its true. sorry about that)
The R. man is abbreviating profanity's thats a new one on me!
He is correct, if you get your ass kicked it dont matter if it was a fairy or a devil a ass kicking is a ass kicking. Bad trip is is mild term these days I read the bad reports and most of them are a walk in the park for someone who has been there before. This is not a game nor a joke nor something to be taken lightly.The molecule will effect you in a extremaly intense manner as will any strong psychedelic. If you want cup cakes and frosting go to the bakery.
A bad trip could be anything. Its a bit of a ridiculous question on a DMT board but times are a changing.
DMT is not about holding hands around the fire.(sorry) Its about ultimate reality it will twist you mind as it chooses and there will be no one there to answer your questions.
You may not remember you name or that you are human. Bad trip questions on a DMT board..? read some EROWID reports not the sugar coated Nexus fantasy of hypersex and dancing eleves.
I am a part of this little world and I love it.
Much of it is not true just like any other world and that said I choose this one as most true.
Think Free
Believe in NOTHING
Peace
MV
However you want to label the "less than really good trips where I still learned alot", the really cool thing about smoked DMT is that they are over in 5 minutes or less!
This is a real drawback if you are having the most amazing, enlightening, awesome experience of your life. But if you are miserable, you won't be for long!:d
Pokey
This is a real drawback if you are having the most amazing, enlightening, awesome experience of your life. But if you are miserable, you won't be for long!:d
Pokey
MagikVenom
Rising Star
is that from Pokey the temporary?
I like the secondary emotions of Pokey
Keep em coming
Peace
MV
I like the secondary emotions of Pokey
Keep em coming
Peace
MV
I recon if ur goal is just to "trip out" then yeah u do get bad trips and they are damn bad.
If ur on a path of learning...it just doesnt work that way.
This thread reminded me of that thread on what ppl draw from smoked spice.
I think those that do it just "for fun", and "dont get any real insight from the experience" fit into that first category, I just cant see it that way.
If ur on a path of learning...it just doesnt work that way.
This thread reminded me of that thread on what ppl draw from smoked spice.
I think those that do it just "for fun", and "dont get any real insight from the experience" fit into that first category, I just cant see it that way.
MagikVenom
Rising Star
Phlux- said:
Thats a damn good point Bro. I am a atheist with just a touch of agnostic doubt.
When I do attend church the last thing I would do is complain about it. If I am uncomfortable I suck in up. NO PAIN NO GAIN
they have loli pops at the candy store no bad trip there.
DMT does not come with training wheels! You better understand balance before you get on or you may fall and hurt yourself.
I do not recommend DMT to people who have basic questions because they are not ready for the BIG question DMT will ask them in a voice so powerful they will have no ideal how to handle the power they may be shattered and confused for quite some time.
So yeah you better be ready or your wasting your time and your mind. Learning is a progressive experience you can not jump into DMT. So Beware I have no easy advice for DMT and neither should anyone else and if they have it they a liar or a NOOB.
I never have seen any elves or cup cakes and believe me i been there many times.
Peace
MV
I have recently bemused, in contrast to my work with the sacrament, actively journeying the body and communicating with my cells, and driving past a candy shop on the way to work every day--have you ever been to a candy store recently? White sugar wreaks HAVOC on the brain. I feel like those neon entities and whacked out girls with giant eyes and lollipops painted on a neon green wall next to the flashing four foot tall bubblegum machine beside the marshmallow gummy rabbit egg chewies--WTF?!?!--screaming children--are something like a visible metaphor for the transformations~degradations taking place at a cellular level.
White sugar does have a very STRANGE energy and the candy store may have a higher price than it seems.
But, I digress. This has come into my sphere of vision recently. I couldn't agree more with the above statements. This is why intentions are the best thing ever!! And so valuable, they help keep life from turning into a bad trip, too.
I myself and many others would propably disagree. This question has been asked over and over again with different opinions. But maybe you're right, my lack of experience forbids me to draw definite conclusions. I can only say that the Spice has treated my friend well, the last dozen times. There were moments were he had a slight panic, but this happens before the ego gets shattered.
Disrespect is also an issue. You can't take it to get high, or to see pretty colors. What you experience is for you to share with others. To spread love seems to be one of it's basic missions, to tell of the realms you've visited, to connect with the god mind, the source...the eternal in a holy communion. It's not for fun, but it can be fun.
Someone who asks a description of a bad trip fears. What do you fear Clownshowhockey? Are you looking for a psychedelic with zero risks of having a bad time? I guess there ain't one. Driving is dangerous, but the risk is jusifiable if you got a drivers license and you aren't drunk!
It seems to be the same with the spice: With the right set of mind, the will to surrender and the knowledge of a possible total breakdown of your reality AND transportation to a different realm beyond your imagination.
Even the place before the veil is intense. Breakdown of speech and dissolution of ego occurs. Also: Telepathic contact with different beeings. Some will claim to be curious beeings, some to be god, some to be ancestors, who are looking for an OPEN individual who wants to hear their storys.
You have to be absolutely sure about it. If you chicken out during the experience, I can imagine it to be not only "bad" but also not worth your time, because you'll get ACCESS DENIED signs all over the place and this will propably frustrate you quite a bit....talk about getting stuck in traffic. So far for analogies.
Just be certain, respectful...serious about this experience and you'll most likely be fine. There is no safe net. But the trapeze artist doen't need one if he believes.
MagikVenom
Rising Star
obliguhl
Yes friend it seems DMT worked out well for you. Reading your reports you also hit it off with salavia and had great meaningful experiences from the beginning. But most people who try DMT and salvia as first trips are blow away and scared away. You also seem to be a very responsible person and I am sure this also helped you.
I do not have statistics to back my point so it is just speculation. I can see why you feel that way you have done very well and thats is a reflection on your character.
My two cent opinion is that most are not at your level in the beginning and that is a complement to you friend.
To me its like the old swimming analogy if you can swim in water 3feet deep you can swim in water one thousand feet deep. But lots of new swimmers fear the fact that the water is over there head and they can not touch bottom. Yes they know how to swim if only they could over come the panic and fear of uncertainty.
Thats why a slower approach may be better for most. I believe in the benefits of psychedelics I want people to benefit from them.
Peace
MV
Yes friend it seems DMT worked out well for you. Reading your reports you also hit it off with salavia and had great meaningful experiences from the beginning. But most people who try DMT and salvia as first trips are blow away and scared away. You also seem to be a very responsible person and I am sure this also helped you.
I do not have statistics to back my point so it is just speculation. I can see why you feel that way you have done very well and thats is a reflection on your character.
My two cent opinion is that most are not at your level in the beginning and that is a complement to you friend.
To me its like the old swimming analogy if you can swim in water 3feet deep you can swim in water one thousand feet deep. But lots of new swimmers fear the fact that the water is over there head and they can not touch bottom. Yes they know how to swim if only they could over come the panic and fear of uncertainty.
Thats why a slower approach may be better for most. I believe in the benefits of psychedelics I want people to benefit from them.
Peace
MV
Thanks for the roses, I'll make sure to send my friend some
I can totally understand that people are scared by salvia. It seems to be dark and strange, but in the end it's a more dream like experience than Spice, so that'S a plus when it comes to handling the experience.
I wouldn't call SWIM experienced. He is absolutely not. He got his feet wet and can't really make informed judgements. But he knows, that the elf spice has treated him well so far and he really hopes that it'll stay that way. He knows that chances are that he's gonna experience frightening things ...but what can you do? You are not to decide what you're gonna see.
THEY told swim, that he has to learn his lesson before moving on.
THEY seem to be wise teachers.....
Moreover, THEY communicated love for Swim and told him, that he shall not forget this fact.
The best thing to do is to trust their guidance. To trust them to save him from the dark realms. Swim knows, that there might be unfriendly creatures behind the veil...but he also knows, that some of these beeings can be tricksters who love to play GAMES.
Salvia taught him that. The little grey Salvia people totally changed their attitude towards swim. First they played dumb, the second time they seemed to invite him to the underground mine...both times they retained their playfulness ...but they played different games. It seemed like they wanted to test Swim.
What can happen to you?
What would you suggest for starting out slow? Swim got panic attacks from pot. What about shrooms? Swim really respects their power...but maybe it's just cultural conditioning...storys about horrible shroom trips where people went totally berzerk for hours ...total emotional breakdowns, hppd...
DMT offered Swim a new perspective on shrooms , as they also are a tryptamin compund and mcKenna told him, that it's possible to drop into the what calls "elf nest". He might try them soon ...but he feels that it will be a relief to see shrooms as friendly creatures too...and if not:
What can he do?
I wouldn't say that his life is in gods hands, but you know:
You do what you do, that's what you do.
I can totally understand that people are scared by salvia. It seems to be dark and strange, but in the end it's a more dream like experience than Spice, so that'S a plus when it comes to handling the experience.
I wouldn't call SWIM experienced. He is absolutely not. He got his feet wet and can't really make informed judgements. But he knows, that the elf spice has treated him well so far and he really hopes that it'll stay that way. He knows that chances are that he's gonna experience frightening things ...but what can you do? You are not to decide what you're gonna see.
THEY told swim, that he has to learn his lesson before moving on.
THEY seem to be wise teachers.....
Moreover, THEY communicated love for Swim and told him, that he shall not forget this fact.
The best thing to do is to trust their guidance. To trust them to save him from the dark realms. Swim knows, that there might be unfriendly creatures behind the veil...but he also knows, that some of these beeings can be tricksters who love to play GAMES.
Salvia taught him that. The little grey Salvia people totally changed their attitude towards swim. First they played dumb, the second time they seemed to invite him to the underground mine...both times they retained their playfulness ...but they played different games. It seemed like they wanted to test Swim.
What can happen to you?
What would you suggest for starting out slow? Swim got panic attacks from pot. What about shrooms? Swim really respects their power...but maybe it's just cultural conditioning...storys about horrible shroom trips where people went totally berzerk for hours ...total emotional breakdowns, hppd...
DMT offered Swim a new perspective on shrooms , as they also are a tryptamin compund and mcKenna told him, that it's possible to drop into the what calls "elf nest". He might try them soon ...but he feels that it will be a relief to see shrooms as friendly creatures too...and if not:
What can he do?
I wouldn't say that his life is in gods hands, but you know:
You do what you do, that's what you do.
MagikVenom
Rising Star
"Thanks for the roses, I'll make sure to send my friend some"
Your very welcome. Just make sure you send them soon it may take awile to reach you Brazilian friend.
Peace
MV
Your very welcome.
Just make sure you send them soon it may take awile to reach you Brazilian friend.Peace
MV
