(Desmanthus illinoensis) where are you?

[nen888]

..i'm wondering why i'm not hearing a lot of reports of successful DMT explorations with this plant?
Back in the 90s it was all the rage (see Psychedleic Illuminations magazine, Entheogen Review)

There are a few others in this family (Desmanthus pernambucanus, Desmanthus leptolobus),
the latter said to be much richer in tryptamines (see good ol Johnny Appleseed, whatever happened to you? are you in here somewhere?)

Here's a few pics to jolt the memory:...

 

[Dorge]

Low yeild in comparison to cheap and easily accesable mhrb has spoiled people to alternatives that might even be in their back yard. But the issue has been cultivation VS wildcrafting ease and ultimatelyower yields in comparison to mhrb. Should be able to be a stb with it real easy.

 

[dreamer042]

this looks very promising for those who live where the snow falls.

I would love to see some wonderful nexian(s) working in this area... (hint hint )

 

[sigmundfreuid]

this looks very promising for those who live where the snow falls.

And why is that ?

 

[rOm]

I was growing one baby of these until my cat ate it....
Freaking feline knows the herbs... lotuses, mimosa, desmanthus, echinanea... he just loves them too much for me to grow it well.
I guess it's just karma laws !

 

[Dorge]

Bad kitty! My hallucinogenic plants! MINE!

Both of the active demanthus species were planted through out he plains as a foraging plant for cattle extensively by the dept of agriculture. All over the US. that means there's lots of it. There's a need for people to go harvest what's there and put it on the market. Of coarse people aren't Doug that much because of mhrb.

 

[soulfood]

I've heard on other forums and not by way of proof that D. Illinoensis doesn't contain very usable amounts of alkaloids.

It's been suggested that D. Leptolobus would be a more worth while project for the colder climates.

 

[Dorge]

That's right, trout confirms this.

 

[jamie]

i was gorwing illinoensis, but honestly I found mimosa to be a more vigerous plant..and easier to grow. My desmanthus grew alot to a point, and then just sort of stopped and then looked sick. I didint have the room really to dedicate to sick plants becasue I have abotu 13 mimosa's going at the moment, 5 caapi's and a bed of phalaris all indoors, so the desmanthus plants went back to the earth. Desmanthus also contains gramine so anyone planning on using it should be aware of that.

 

[dreamer042]

this looks very promising for those who live where the snow falls.

And why is that ?

Because when the snow is falling its gonna rather hard to find a place for all those potted mimosa and acacia trees. Whereas the backyard full of desmanthus will quite happily sprout back up next year.

 

[nen888]

..thanks for your post dreamer042,

..i recall Appleseed found roughly 50% each DMT and NMT in D. illinoensis (entheogen review c.1993-4),
a post a while back on the Lycaeum said that at certain seasons (maybe fall) there was predominantly nmt, other times dmt..

this plant has a good value in NMT, as well as dmt, research...

 

[amor_fati]

I've had my sights set on it for a little while and was considering growing it for the benefit of more enlightened times, pending some research I've been scoping (anne halonium), but even in that case, there's quite a bit of leaning toward M. tenuiflora (though now it would appear that almost all of the posts are missing...strange, maybe she's scrapping the desmanthus stuff). D. Leptolobus seems to be an interesting way to go.

What's needed is to be able to produce the highest number of plants, with the highest possible alkaloid content while feasible to cultivate in most parts of the world. Whatever happens to be choice in that matter, I think hydroponics is probably key to producing enough to make any of it worthwhile. But for mature plants to be harvested, we need to know for sure just how far North, what climate, and during what time of the year it's ok to plant outdoors. If this could be decided outright on the nexus, then the whole community could focus on developing surefire methods with detailed write-ups on how to go about it and what to expect. Grassteks are great, but make the most sense for wild growths and probably better suited as longterm, last ditch efforts, considering the low, impure and inconsistent yields.

D. Leptolobus looks to be the most promising, and if we could apply the philosophy of cultivation displayed here: trichocereus forestry service I think we'd be able to secure a future for the community's most prized entheogen.