Dimethyltryptamine and psychology

[Shifty]

lets see here, i guess im asking if there has ever been any recorded negitaive/harmful side effects of DMT. I have just recently read/skimmed DMT the spirt molecule by dr. strassman in which he was administering high doses of 5meo Dimethyltryptamine he reported that a few days after the test subjects had no harmful side effects but there was defenitly a change in the subjects mental state of mind. now someone would say of course the subject will have a diffrent state of mind/outlook on life after taking dmt but what im more intested in is if there are any subjects that have developed any personality/social dissorders or if DMT has ever triggered schizophrenia this question is the same for LSD

more or less i am trying to self diagnos a condition i have developed that is only triggerd by any hallucinogenics, im actually just trying to figure this out for myself.


side note*
i dont have much of a background in bloging >_< and im the king of ill-literature

 

[ragabr]

Do you mean like experienced by House and joebono?

 

[theTOAD]

PLEASE be careful. I have not experienced it my self, but there have been two people in my life that have ended up in trouble ( most likely due to psychedelics. The first is my friends older brother. He went on a long binge of using lsd ( very high doses regularly) and when he came back to earth something was wrong with him. He was soon diagnosed with schizophrenia, and has been struggling with the fact that his life has become a bad trip. He is constantly afraid of attacks from aliens and bigfoot. My other friend had similar results from a combo of mushrooms and lsd while we were at a festival. first day he was fine, second day he was very agitated and couldnt sit still, third day he was having a very hard time keeping it together. He went to a professional and after a short time was diagnosed as being bi polar. Both these people were happy and in control of their lives. but the real question is did the drugs do it or would it have happened anyways. I cant answer that question. But if you feel like you may have a mental illness id be very careful as to what you ingest. you say psychedelics are your only trigger, but once youve triggered it there is NO going back. Maybe stick to some quality herb. at the very least keep doing research and then decide what is best for yourself.

 

[Shifty]

ok well heres the story one sunny day on acid i looked up into the clouds and i saw a pattern which could be described as a transparent kelidoscope pattern made of colors i have never seen before. before i knew it i the pattern unlocked and i could see it on every cloud and even the sky its self. the pattern was made up of millions of small/medium/large/giant kelidoscope wheels well i guess they were wheels i have no way of explaining what i saw really >_< but anyway i looked at my skin and the trees and sure enough clear as day the same pattern was there so detailed and so compllex it seemed to go on to infinty, it even seemed to be interacting with my fingerprints. although it was hard to find this pattern on man made objects it was still kind of there. after this experience i had a headach for 1 month after the headach went away i went back to acid/shrooms ect. the pattern came back imedeity and now everytime i trip i see the same exact pattern as soon as i trip until the end. and it gets more detailed and intense everytime.
since the first time i saw this pattern i have triped 11 times and everytime ive seen the exact same pattern on everything.

now if i trip i cant think or do anything but observe these patterns. i cant stop thinking about it and its now consumed me quantum physics/ golden ratio/ fib sequence / sacrad geomotry / DMT!!!

 

[endlessness]

Before asking questions, the first thing to do is read the welcome PM you received. In it, you received important links which could help answering your questions, such as the FAQ, the Health and Safety section, and threads such as the Scientific Articles thread.

I think you should do more than skimreading if its a subject that interests you. Good luck!

 

[universecannon]

ok well heres the story one sunny day on acid i looked up into the clouds and i saw a pattern which could be described as a transparent kelidoscope pattern made of colors i have never seen before. before i knew it i the pattern unlocked and i could see it on every cloud and even the sky its self. the pattern was made up of millions of small/medium/large/giant kelidoscope wheels well i guess they were wheels i have no way of explaining what i saw really >_< but anyway i looked at my skin and the trees and sure enough clear as day the same pattern was there so detailed and so compllex it seemed to go on to infinty, it even seemed to be interacting with my fingerprints. although it was hard to find this pattern on man made objects it was still kind of there. after this experience i had a headach for 1 month after the headach went away i went back to acid/shrooms ect. the pattern came back imedeity and now everytime i trip i see the same exact pattern as soon as i trip until the end. and it gets more detailed and intense everytime.
since the first time i saw this pattern i have triped 11 times and everytime ive seen the exact same pattern on everything.

now if i trip i cant think or do anything but observe these patterns. i cant stop thinking about it and its now consumed me quantum physics/ golden ratio/ fib sequence / sacrad geomotry / DMT!!!

You took a psychedelic man! Seeing fractaline/kaleidoscopic patterns in things is completely normal.. along with faces of every kind with any emotion, grids, snaking rainbows, aliens, cartoon donkeys laughing ectectect..pattern recognition and imagination are amped up or something, which i think is one factor that contributes to 'seeing things in other things'. Read up my friend- there is many trip reports around these parts. If your not seeing anything out of the ordinary then you most likely got ripped off or dosed low..so dont worry! If your planning on dosing again maybe try meditating and looking up while just going with the ride

I think most of people who go 'insane' after psychedelic use were already prone to schizophrenia, and it just brought out into the open what was already there..or maybe they just took too high of doses too often with a bad set/setting and developed some sort of disorder, who knows

 

[Entheojen]

Just reading what happened to joebono and House, has left me with a nervous feeling. The thought of someone experienced with psychedelics reacting like this to DMT is making me doubt my ability to cope with it. Makes me feel like it might be better and safer to leave it and not touch the stuff. Part of me however would always be wondering what it was like.

Up until now most trip reports I have read generally seem to be quite beneficial and rewarding, even if terrifying. But this is the first time that I've come across people reacting this way saying they wish they'd never tried it. I have the choice not to go down the rabbit hole. Decisions decisions....

 

[Shifty]

ok well heres the story one sunny day on acid i looked up into the clouds and i saw a pattern which could be described as a transparent kelidoscope pattern made of colors i have never seen before. before i knew it i the pattern unlocked and i could see it on every cloud and even the sky its self. the pattern was made up of millions of small/medium/large/giant kelidoscope wheels well i guess they were wheels i have no way of explaining what i saw really >_< but anyway i looked at my skin and the trees and sure enough clear as day the same pattern was there so detailed and so compllex it seemed to go on to infinty, it even seemed to be interacting with my fingerprints. although it was hard to find this pattern on man made objects it was still kind of there. after this experience i had a headach for 1 month after the headach went away i went back to acid/shrooms ect. the pattern came back imedeity and now everytime i trip i see the same exact pattern as soon as i trip until the end. and it gets more detailed and intense everytime.
since the first time i saw this pattern i have triped 11 times and everytime ive seen the exact same pattern on everything.

now if i trip i cant think or do anything but observe these patterns. i cant stop thinking about it and its now consumed me quantum physics/ golden ratio/ fib sequence / sacrad geomotry / DMT!!!

You took a psychedelic man! Seeing fractaline/kaleidoscopic patterns in things is completely normal.. along with faces of every kind with any emotion, grids, snaking rainbows, aliens, cartoon donkeys laughing ectectect..pattern recognition and imagination are amped up or something, which i think is one factor that contributes to 'seeing things in other things'. Read up my friend- there is many trip reports around these parts. If your not seeing anything out of the ordinary then you most likely got ripped off or dosed low..so dont worry! If your planning on dosing again maybe try meditating and looking up while just going with the ride

I think most of people who go 'insane' after psychedelic use were already prone to schizophrenia, and it just brought out into the open what was already there..or maybe they just took too high of doses too often with a bad set/setting and developed some sort of disorder, who knows

yeah but the same trip every-time 11 times all different batches and 3 of them where even different DRUGS!! i mean the patterns i see our complety 100% the same detail every time and nothing else and this same pattern gets even more intense everytime.

 

[endlessness]

yes, its The Pattern

still normal

Not to say you should keep using substances, each one has to decide for themselves, considering their own situations and potential risks and benefits. Do read the links I posted..

But your experience does seem, from the description, very normal (except for the headache, but that can be a bunch of things too...)

 

[Shifty]

yes, its The Pattern

still normal

Not to say you should keep using substances, each one has to decide for themselves, considering their own situations and potential risks and benefits. Do read the links I posted..

But your experience does seem, from the description, very normal (except for the headache, but that can be a bunch of things too...)

yeah i figured the headach was from somthing used to make the drug. but really its normal to see the same thing everytime? if so thats very releaving im positive i can keep triping because i have a very strong mind/will power, that might sound cocky but i know its a fact.its just the patterns ive been researching lead me to dmt and i was just wondering if the patterns i see on acid/shrooms have somthing to do with dmt and if so i will try dmt once it crosses my path but until then i will read as much as i can about it

 

[endlessness]

I understand you might feel yourself having strong mind/will power, and this might even be true but... Psychedelics love to make us humble when we are too confident with ourselves, so be prepared for some hyperspacial beating if you think too much of yourself

By the way, as you can obviously see in this website, DMT is extracted from plants. One could do it with food-safe teks, or with normal teks but being careful on working clean, or one could do it with toxic chemicals or not taking care of eliminating solvent traces, for example. This means that if you smoke DMT someone else gives you, you cant know how it was made and how careful it was done. This is one of the reasons we suggest that those wanting to use DMT should extract it themselves and not risking their precious health. So if you really want to use DMT, dont wait for it to 'cross your path' (if by that you mean waiting for someone else to have it and give to you) but rather extract it yourself.

good luck

 

[joedirt]

Just reading what happened to joebono and House, has left me with a nervous feeling. The thought of someone experienced with psychedelics reacting like this to DMT is making me doubt my ability to cope with it. Makes me feel like it might be better and safer to leave it and not touch the stuff. Part of me however would always be wondering what it was like.

Up until now most trip reports I have read generally seem to be quite beneficial and rewarding, even if terrifying. But this is the first time that I've come across people reacting this way saying they wish they'd never tried it. I have the choice not to go down the rabbit hole. Decisions decisions....

The reservation you have about DMT is founded. I'm sure everyone here will give you this advise. If you are unsure of your mental state then it's likely not a good idea to use psychedelics. There is no shame in realizing you might not be right for a particular drug.

If however you still feel like you have to experience it then start very small. I started with 5mgs and worked up to 20mgs.

I'd like to say one other thing. It is possible to work with these drugs when in bad states of mind. I revisited psychedelic work because of an out of control anger problem that had developed...but I didn't turn to psychedelics first. I meditated long and hard about this new found anger I had. When I did decide to work with my anger it was very unpleasant...however I'm certain that it helped me turn the corner faster than I would have without them. The anger itself is a long story and not useful for this thread. My point was experienced people often can/do use the compounds for self work when in down states of mind, but most people aren't prepared for that kind of work. It's far better the er on the side of caution and do other thinks to improve your mood. B, C, D vitamins, and exercise will go a lon

My main point is to give you a serious yet friendly warning. This drugs are very strong. You only get one mind in this lifetime..don't destroy it. No matter how beautiful others trip reports sound your life is WAY more beautiful. Live first. Use psychedelics to improve quality of life.

And remember this one secret I've found to having consistently good trips...EXCEPT THE LAST ONE....live right. At a minimum psychedelics pull out very deep rooted feelings and emotions from our brains. If your brain is constantly in a state of aggrivation/anxiety...well what neural patterns do you think DMT is going to interact with? If you are a loving, happy, geniune person then it's more likely that you will have spiritual trips, or at least trips that are fun and not terryfying. This is still not guarantee...I had my first "Bad" trip ever the other night...on a relatively small dose of DMT....

Be safe, Take care, and remember with out without DMT you are still on the journey.

 

[teotenakeltje]

This is one of the reasons we suggest that those wanting to use DMT should extract it themselves and not risking their precious health. So if you really want to use DMT, dont wait for it to 'cross your path' (if by that you mean waiting for someone else to have it and give to you) but rather extract it yourself.

Very true...i would like to add that even the slightest doubt about the purity of your product could affect your trip in a negative way, even when the product is 100% clean :d

So yes...have fun extracting, and be safe!

 

[Shifty]

I understand you might feel yourself having strong mind/will power, and this might even be true but... Psychedelics love to make us humble when we are too confident with ourselves, so be prepared for some hyperspacial beating if you think too much of yourself

By the way, as you can obviously see in this website, DMT is extracted from plants. One could do it with food-safe teks, or with normal teks but being careful on working clean, or one could do it with toxic chemicals or not taking care of eliminating solvent traces, for example. This means that if you smoke DMT someone else gives you, you cant know how it was made and how careful it was done. This is one of the reasons we suggest that those wanting to use DMT should extract it themselves and not risking their precious health. So if you really want to use DMT, dont wait for it to 'cross your path' (if by that you mean waiting for someone else to have it and give to you) but rather extract it yourself.

good luck

yeah i understand it will be overpowering and i must submit to the trip i dont try to control anything in life. but yeah i was going to wait for it to come to me not so much as fall in my lap but ive been asking people/friends/dealers for 1 year now if they have ever heard of dmt...no luck... im a little worried about extacting it myself :O ill look into extracting techs and see if its somthing i could pull off but i have no chem background what so ever.

 

[endlessness]

This and this is what we have to say about buying DMT.. Do not try to score it from a dealer, thats a big no-no for a variety of reasons as already mentioned and as you can read.

You need as much chemistry background to extract DMT as you need a degree in culinary to cook a meal... In other words, you dont. All you need to do is research, and there is no better forum in the internet than this one. Here's a good start. Keep reading

 

[cave paintings]

I understand you might feel yourself having strong mind/will power, and this might even be true but... Psychedelics love to make us humble when we are too confident with ourselves, so be prepared for some hyperspacial beating if you think too much of yourself

By the way, as you can obviously see in this website, DMT is extracted from plants. One could do it with food-safe teks, or with normal teks but being careful on working clean, or one could do it with toxic chemicals or not taking care of eliminating solvent traces, for example. This means that if you smoke DMT someone else gives you, you cant know how it was made and how careful it was done. This is one of the reasons we suggest that those wanting to use DMT should extract it themselves and not risking their precious health. So if you really want to use DMT, dont wait for it to 'cross your path' (if by that you mean waiting for someone else to have it and give to you) but rather extract it yourself.

good luck

yeah i understand it will be overpowering and i must submit to the trip i dont try to control anything in life. but yeah i was going to wait for it to come to me not so much as fall in my lap but ive been asking people/friends/dealers for 1 year now if they have ever heard of dmt...no luck... im a little worried about extacting it myself :O ill look into extracting techs and see if its somthing i could pull off but i have no chem background what so ever.

If you have been asking friends/dealers for over a year now, I'm sure you can make time for a bit of reading about extractions. It only took me a week or two of reading in the evenings about the procedure to gain a solid understanding of the extraction. I firmly believe that your experiences will be far more rewarding if you take the time to extract it.

As for you seeing a repeating pattern, I don't find that very unusual. SWIM sees the same basic patterns on lsd and psilocybin, it's when the doses of each get higher, that the patterns become far more unique to the substance. You must also understand that to an extent, you have control over what sort of patterns you may see. I imagine if I went into multiple experiences expecting to see the same patterns, I met very well see the same patterns. Personally, I can often control what patterns I see, I can often reference past psychedelic visuals from other trips and they will appear in my vision, given the right dose of the right substance, mainly lsd. Be it hieroglyphics, dragon scales, letters, or just random interconnecting spiderweb like patterns, I don't give visuals that much importance when tripping; not to say I don't enjoy them, I just don't think they're the meat of the trip-sandwich.

I guess all I'm saying is, I'm not surprised that this pattern recurs, because you seem to have your mind set on it. Like I said earlier, I imagine that if I went into a trip expecting faces and hieroglyphs after I dosed some lsd, I wouldnt be surprised if I saw them.

 

[Shifty]

If you have been asking friends/dealers for over a year now, I'm sure you can make time for a bit of reading about extractions. It only took me a week or two of reading in the evenings about the procedure to gain a solid understanding of the extraction. I firmly believe that your experiences will be far more rewarding if you take the time to extract it.

As for you seeing a repeating pattern, I don't find that very unusual. SWIM sees the same basic patterns on lsd and psilocybin, it's when the doses of each get higher, that the patterns become far more unique to the substance. You must also understand that to an extent, you have control over what sort of patterns you may see. I imagine if I went into multiple experiences expecting to see the same patterns, I met very well see the same patterns. Personally, I can often control what patterns I see, I can often reference past psychedelic visuals from other trips and they will appear in my vision, given the right dose of the right substance, mainly lsd. Be it hieroglyphics, dragon scales, letters, or just random interconnecting spiderweb like patterns, I don't give visuals that much importance when tripping; not to say I don't enjoy them, I just don't think they're the meat of the trip-sandwich.

I guess all I'm saying is, I'm not surprised that this pattern recurs, because you seem to have your mind set on it. Like I said earlier, I imagine that if I went into a trip expecting faces and hieroglyphs after I dosed some lsd, I wouldnt be surprised if I saw them.

yeah your right because during one of the trips i could actually control it and if i focused i could stop the pattern then start it back up. i actually think i knew this all along but some part of me wanted to belive it was somthing else. and yes SWIM is going to extract using the Q21Q21 tech...dont worry SWIM is not gonna try and pull it off this week SWIMS gonna study this tech and the roots for awhile