DMT and bladder control

[tony]

I have a friend (genuinely a friend, not me) who the last couple of times he has taken DMT has pissed himself, one of these times was on my couch. To be fair there were several other drugs involved (alcohol, mephedrone and valium) but it seems to be the spice which lead to the bladder issues. Is this something anyone else has experienced or knows of? It seems likely that it is because of the mix of drink and drugs and then laying such an intense experience on top of that, but he's been taking cocktails of drugs for years and never had this issue.

Also he smoked a couple of fairly large doses of my changa after he had been taking mephedrone, which I had told him might be a bit dodgy cos I have heard that mixing harmalas with ecstasy is a bad idea and mephedrone is almost identical to ecstasy? Am I right in thinking cathinone derivates should not be mixed with changa? Or is that unlikely to be much of an issue.

He reads these forums so there's a fair chance he'll see this.. so Nicky, if you're reading this you owe me some febreeze to get the smell of pish out of my couch :lol:

 

[jamie]

"To be fair there were several other drugs involved (alcohol, mephedrone and valium)"

Why?

 

[jamie]

"Also he smoked a couple of fairly large doses of my changa after he had been taking mephedrone, which I had told him might be a bit dodgy cos I have heard that mixing harmalas with ecstasy is a bad idea and mephedrone is almost identical to ecstasy? Am I right in thinking cathinone derivates should not be mixed with changa? Or is that unlikely to be much of an issue."

Really man this is just so irresponsible. If someone wants to ingest psychoactive substances that you have extracted, you are responsible for what happens to them and for that whole situation. If someone is on some other weird fraked up drugs that are unsure of mixing with harmalas, why allow them to continue? Seriously..it is your home and your substances that you extracted.

This is the sort of thing that I think people do need to be warned and suspended over because it makes the community as a whole look like a pile of junkies just taking drugs.

Sorry, but I mean..these are the sort of questions that should be asked BEFORE someone is given the substance not after. It is like asking for trouble at some point.

 

[tony]

"Also he smoked a couple of fairly large doses of my changa after he had been taking mephedrone, which I had told him might be a bit dodgy cos I have heard that mixing harmalas with ecstasy is a bad idea and mephedrone is almost identical to ecstasy? Am I right in thinking cathinone derivates should not be mixed with changa? Or is that unlikely to be much of an issue."

Really man this is just so irresponsible. If someone wants to ingest psychoactive substances that you have extracted, you are responsible for what happens to them and for that whole situation. If someone is on some other weird fraked up drugs that are unsure of mixing with harmalas, why allow them to continue? Seriously..it is your home and your substances that you extracted.

This is the sort of thing that I think people do need to be warned and suspended over because it makes the community as a whole look like a pile of junkies just taking drugs.

Sorry, but I mean..these are the sort of questions that should be asked BEFORE someone is given the substance not after. It is like asking for trouble at some point.

I'm trying to think of a polite response to being equated to "a pile of junkies" but to be honest I can't so I'll just keep my mouth shut on that one.

I am not responsible for what someone chooses to ingest. I told him that there was a possibility that it wasn't a very clever thing to mix harmalas and mcat, he has researched this subject probably just as much as I have and he has performed extractions of his own. I didn't "allow" him to continue, I just didn't physically stop him.

If any mod thinks I should be punished in some way for asking a question about a potential side effect or health problem resulting from a certain mixture of drugs then feel free. I won't be posting here again if that is the case.

EDIT: And anyway... it all worked out fine and was a great weekend. Not sure what the self-righteous attitude is about but I'm sure plenty of people would have the same sorts of things to say about drugs that you take. This is supposed to be an exchange of information, not people deciding what other people should put into their bodies

 

[ewok]

Really man this is just so irresponsible. If someone wants to ingest psychoactive substances that you have extracted, you are responsible for what happens to them and for that whole situation. If someone is on some other weird fraked up drugs that are unsure of mixing with harmalas, why allow them to continue? Seriously..it is your home and your substances that you extracted.

This is the sort of thing that I think people do need to be warned and suspended over because it makes the community as a whole look like a pile of junkies just taking drugs.

Sorry, but I mean..these are the sort of questions that should be asked BEFORE someone is given the substance not after. It is like asking for trouble at some point.

This is bang on.

 

[Indoril_Nerevar]

alcohol, mephedrone and valium

sounds like a junkie to me lol

all i'm gonna say is you should respect the spice...

 

[jamie]

"I am not responsible for what someone chooses to ingest."

If you want to post about it here than yes, you are. It is your DMT and your harmalas and it is your home. If you cant deal with that responsibility than please dont post about it here. There are plenty of other drug forums where people frequently discuss random and reckless drug combining in such a way.

 

[tony]

alcohol, mephedrone and valium

sounds like a junkie to me lol

all i'm gonna say is you should respect the spice...

The annoying thing (and also the main good thing) about this particular forum is that we are supposed to treat each other with a certain level of respect, which means I can't say what I would like to say to you. Jamie was insinuating that my post might make the outside world think we are all a bunch of junkies, you on the other hand are pretty much flat out calling me a junkie.. maybe junkie means something different to you people. In scotland a junkie is a heroin addict, or maybe a crack/meth addict. Calling me a junkie because I take ecstasy or (very rarely) valium is ridiculous and very offensive.

I "respect" DMT and the experiences it has given me... but seriously you people need to get off your unjustified moral high ground that you have climbed onto. Everyone here takes drugs. I was just being frank about an incident that occurred and asking for some advice/info about it.

 

[jamie]

BTW I never meant that as in "I think you are a junkie". It does come off sounding like this forum is just like any other drug forum though when there are people here posting about reckless drug combining. When people are combing 3 other drugs..especially stims and downers while taking RIMA's not fully understanding the concequences that is reckless IMO.

Better to ask the questions first so that potential trainwrecks are avoided. If your friend did have serious compications it very well would have probly involved you as well as far as the law is concerned..then they find you extracting scheduled substances..search your computer and that leads them here..

 

[tony]

BTW I never meant that as in "I think you are a junkie". It does come off sounding like this forum is just like any other drug forum though when there are people here posting about reckless drug combining. When people are combing 3 other drugs..especially stims and downers while taking RIMA's not fully understanding the concequences that is reckless IMO.

Better to ask the questions first so that potential trainwrecks are avoided. If your friend did have serious compications it very well would have probly involved you as well as far as the law is concerned.

Yeah I understand what you are saying. I would have asked before hand if the thought had occurred to me. It wasn't in my house. I had been invited to a party, I brought changa with me and didn't feel duty bound to enforce my opinion (that it was possibly dangerous) onto him. He took it, it worked out fine, although he pissed himself. In my house was the following day and it was just jimjam we were smoking, and he pissed himself again. I can see that this could be viewed as irresponsible... but we all make our drug choices, some are more careful than others. Also some are older and (perhaps) more mature than others. There is a learning curve with everything. So far none of my friends or myself have done ourselves any real physical damage with mixing drugs. I posted here to find out if this particular mixture was potentially bad (and therefore lucky that nothing happened as a result) or if it wasn't a big deal, and also to find out if pissing yourself is something that has been associated with DMT for others.

 

[tony]

wow i cant believe your slandering him about his life he didnt ask for your opinion on life skills guys he wanted knowledge how come people seeking knowledge on this site are turned away by others who dont like there moral/decisions this inst supposed to be criticizing people but helping them im pretty sure most of us have done our far share of bad things with drug such as mixing/overusing, etc. i really wish people on here were more humble

Thanks for that

And btw jamie, I think by the tone of my first post it's not like I was bragging about it or making out it's a clever thing to do. I was just stating what had happened.

 

[acacian]

pretty sure the people here understand you are not a junky....however DMT nexus is place for the responsible discussion of the spice and other entheogenic sacraments and it is generally frowned upon when people show evidence of using the sacraments irresponsibly...which in your case it sounds like it. it is also a place to learn though, and people needn't be rude to those who do not understand this. i believe the moral of this story is that you DID have control over what your friend took. it was a dangerous thing for him to do, you knew it, and you still let him smoke the changa.. even though it was yours and you didn't have to say yes. might have seemed rude, but i would argue it a lot more rude to just give it to him not knowing what his/her reaction will be. but don't guilt yourself over it, just learn from it

 

[acacian]

alcohol and dmt is not a good idea either

 

[jamie]

BTW I never meant that as in "I think you are a junkie". It does come off sounding like this forum is just like any other drug forum though when there are people here posting about reckless drug combining. When people are combing 3 other drugs..especially stims and downers while taking RIMA's not fully understanding the concequences that is reckless IMO.

Better to ask the questions first so that potential trainwrecks are avoided. If your friend did have serious compications it very well would have probly involved you as well as far as the law is concerned.

Yeah I understand what you are saying. I would have asked before hand if the thought had occurred to me. It wasn't in my house. I had been invited to a party, I brought changa with me and didn't feel duty bound to enforce my opinion (that it was possibly dangerous) onto him. He took it, it worked out fine, although he pissed himself. In my house was the following day and it was just jimjam we were smoking, and he pissed himself again. I can see that this could be viewed as irresponsible... but we all make our drug choices, some are more careful than others. Also some are older and (perhaps) more mature than others. There is a learning curve with everything. So far none of my friends or myself have done ourselves any real physical damage with mixing drugs. I posted here to find out if this particular mixture was potentially bad (and therefore lucky that nothing happened as a result) or if it wasn't a big deal, and also to find out if pissing yourself is something that has been associated with DMT for others.

Thanks for clearing some of that up.

It's not that you asked the question..it's just that in these situations I think it is best to explain maybe why someone would take combinations like that and why it should be avoided in the future..so that at least there are no open ends in the forum pointing to this place just condoning reckless dosing. Alot of situations that might involve such use of drugs can later be discussed here without sounding like everyone here really is that reckless etc as long as certain aspects are acknowledged and I think that is what is important to remember for everyone when posting.

It is not just you phrog at all and I dont mean to single you out..this is something I have seen many times and more clarification/acknowledgment of possible reckless situations to be avoided etc I think are what is needed often.

 

[tony]

pretty sure the people here understand you are not a junky....however DMT nexus is place for the responsible discussion of the spice and other entheogenic sacraments and it is generally frowned upon when people show evidence of using the sacraments irresponsibly...which in your case it sounds like it. it is also a place to learn though, and people needn't be rude to those who do not understand this. i believe the moral of this story is that you DID have control over what your friend took. it was a dangerous thing for him to do, you knew it, and you still let him smoke the changa.. even though it was yours and you didn't have to say yes. might have seemed rude, but i would argue it a lot more rude to just give it to him not knowing what his/her reaction will be. don't punish yourself over it, just learn from it

I'll take that on board

alcohol and dmt is not a good idea either

I had heard this before but (for me) the combination works very well. I rarely take DMT without being at least a little drunk and I almost always enjoy it. I've found I seem to have a slightly worse hangover the next day if it's changa and alcohol, but freebase and alcohol works lovely for me.

Thanks for clearing some of that up.

It's not that you asked the question..it's just that in these situations I think it is best to explain maybe why someone would take combinations like that and why it should be avoided in the future..so that at least there are no open ends in the forum pointing to this place just condoning reckless dosing. Alot of situations that might involve such use of drugs can later be discussed here without sounding like everyone here really is that reckless etc as long as certain aspects are acknowledged and I think that is what is important to remember for everyone when posting.

It is not just you phrog at all and I dont mean to single you out..this is something I have seen many times and more clarification/acknowledgment of possible reckless situations to be avoided etc I think are what is needed often.

Ok I understand. Slightly heated reactions and/or misunderstandings from both sides I think. I'll be more thoughtful of how I post in future. I think my justification for not considering it my responsibility stems from a liberal view, basically my thinking was "just cos I made it, does that make it mine... it's a drug, regardless of ownership. If he had made it himself (which he has in the past) he would still have taken it"

Anyways, lol.. so no one else urinates themselves from taking dmt then? :lol:

 

[acacian]

just be careful. wouldn't wanna pass out on the alcohol after smoking a breakthrough hit... could be potentially dangerous. there are dangers with taking dmt when too drunk.. especially if your near the stage of being sick... could cause you to choke on your own vomit while your in hyperspace. I'm sure you know not to drink silly amounts prior to toking, but i thought i'd add my thoughts none the less.

good luck my friend

 

[tony]

Thanks

 

[jamie]

I have heard of people pissing themselves on heavy ayahuasca doses.

I would be careful with the mixture of harmalas, alcohol and valium though still..I would avoid that combination. I dont know how safe that is..especially with the mdma like substances in the mix as many of them are stimulants..mixing a stim with a downers like valium and then adding harmalas sounds like it could bring complications.

Edit..what I could find on google(not alot) is that mephedrone is dangerous to take along with MAOI's..

 

[Shadowman-x]

In response to what the thread was about, I have peed myself on DMT without the addition of any other drugs.
Almost invariably during a period of time when i was smoking it, i would HAVE to pee before launch, multiple times, right beforehand.
Once I didn't heed this warning and I peed myself.
No comment on responsibility and drug use, simply relevant to peeing ones-self with DMT induced muscle relaxation.

 

[tony]

I have heard of people pissing themselves on heavy ayahuasca doses.

I would be careful with the mixture of harmalas, alcohol and valium though still..I would avoid that combination. I dont know how safe that is..especially with the mdma like substances in the mix as many of them are stimulants..mixing a stim with a downers like valium and then adding harmalas sounds like it could bring complications.

To be honest that was what my gut was telling me at the time, that it was a potentially bad mixture. His judgement was off because of drink/drugs, and so was mine. If he had been sober and free from drugs then he wouldn't have considered mixing them... although if he had been sober/baseline then it wouldn't have been an issue to smoke the changa. Kinda ironic in a way.

I'll probably just not take changa to social gatherings again, since there are always drugs there and therefore a potential problem.

In response to what the thread was about, I have peed myself on DMT without the addition of any other drugs.
Almost invariably during a period of time when i was smoking it, i would HAVE to pee before launch, multiple times, right beforehand.
Once I didn't heed this warning and I peed myself.
No comment on responsibility and drug use, simply relevant to peeing ones-self with DMT induced muscle relaxation.

Thanks for the input. That'll probably make him a bit less embarassed. Not sure if he even is embarassed about it though, lol.