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clop said:
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DMT and suicide
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clop said:
You seem to be an old member, don't you know any admin who can help?[/quote]
Argh, man i apologize for the difficulties.
I have PMed a mod in this thread to see if there's a way for you to access my PM, or vice versa, but have not heard back yet. I'll see if i can light some fires under them...
Hang tight, something will be figured out, it's not an impossibility, just a PITA.
EDIT: if you'd like to go to chat, maybe we could do so later. I'll be back online later this afternoon. I'm in the Pacific time zone, USA. It's morning.
sbios said:
Imho the Tibetan approach is as much a rigid viewpoint as any other (religion) out there. A mere peaceful one luckily.
The inherent fear of death is a given by nature, it is a deeply programmed response mechanism serving survival, fear of the unknown comprised. You simply can't hold it against 'many people'.
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null24 said:
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Spirochete
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I really believe that any psychedelic justification of suicide is a half-truth or incomplete understanding. Suicidal tendencies can always be tracked back to events in the past, either biological or mental. You seem to be taking the medicine in an effort to justify a pathological condition. The point of plant medicine is to help you find the root cause.
clop said:
Sin and all that crap does'nt matter , above all is freedom
But if one wants to go to Tokyo one will not find it in Africa
one needs to go to Japan ,
thus if one wants to seek oneness , be one
that cannot happen by killing oneself ,
otherwise Buddha,jesus, Moses would have done it
everyone would do it , in fact anyone not doing it would be a fool
all the teachings and scriptures would be about suicide
even smoking DMT or taking LSd would result in instant death
but that does'nt happen instead a trip/experience happens
so oneness is in the experience ,
not in ending it ,
also the end is anyways coming for everyone
even if one wants to live forever that is not going to happen
Acceptance of life and death as it is , is the key
Spirochete said:
Lol man , I'm not here seeking for judgement or people telling me I'm wrong. I came here for help and understanding. And I also did not say that plant medicine caused this. Read the things right before say ur shit out there.
clop said:
Hi clop, indeed Spirochete had OP mistaken. You haven't taken dmt, only heard something about it and thought well this might justify suicide. But not everything he/she said was wrong, let alone sh*t, the first 2 sentences are still valid for you.
I truly think you are wrong clop in thinking that a one-ness experience of deems justifies a suicide. Sorry but it's plain utter BS imo.
If you are here to only accept back patting, eh...this is a forum.
This whole affiliation of deems with suicide is so off the mark I'm surprised that this thread is still alive. Now that you've come to scoff well intended people, I'm out of here.
I truly hope things turn out well for you clop, much success wished!
Jees said:Hi clop, indeed Spirochete had OP mistaken, but not everything he/she said was wrong, let alone sh*t, the first 2 sentences are still valid for you.
I truly think you are wrong clop in thinking that a one-ness experience of deems justifies a suicide. Sorry but it's plain utter BS imo.
If you are here to only accept back patting, eh...this is a forum.
This whole affiliation of deems with suicide is so off the mark I'm surprised that this thread is still alive. Now that you've come to scoff well intended people, I'm out of here.
I truly hope things turn out well for you clop, much success wished!
I agree that the 2 first sentences are valid. But one thing is saying somethings that are hard to hear and it is supposed to help others besides the fact that distorts what I've said, doesn't help at all.
And yes sure, u are free to go, I didn't force u to stay here or come here.
Jees said:
There is in the mind of most people a strong link made between the psychedelic experience, especially the powerful breakthrough, and death.
What seems often omitted in this linkage to death is that, though it is appropriate as the experience literally pieces you apart, it happens purely through the senses, their melting. Even at the peak of breakthrough, everything is processed through light, vision. It is a version of death that is made of light but when death occurs, the senses ceases to function, and it is a death truly obscure, truly of shadows. So very simply, to think we sustain this light beyond death, the attributes of the body, is actual fear of death and precisely the reason a suicide would be perceived as preserving the envelope of the self.
And this has anything to do with the fear of death an animal can have. Animals can't be dissociated from their body the way we do (levels of intensity, though rightfully, no one can be blamed for it). So they can't experience this utter loneliness that result from running away from ourselves. This ourselves being so vastly more than us - being nature, an eternal link to all that came before and among which we evolved. It's like if someone who had been there to care for you your all life was about to die and you would leave his side to go to the mall. too often this lifting of the ground and the slight euphoria that occurs from it is mistaken with freedom. In a sense it is one, but I would say one that will ultimately exclude others. With a big O.
Where the light beyond death perception is valid is among the livings. We live in the mind of others, as fragments, in their lights. This makes it important for people who are alive, to live with their ghosts. The experience under psychedelic has to be understood as the most lifefull experience. The night is not the day, though the experience makes a light shine in the night that is not that of the day.
Then comes geniuses who make pictures and light stuff filled with dead people, eternal external memory drives. And it's coincidental to suicide on a planetary scale. Of monoculture. If you can count to two, you know it's just an idea that is going to hurt extensively and unnecessarily.
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clop said:
Be careful listening to leo please, he does have some good advice but he also has a god complex which is very unhealthy and can be dangerous to the folks listening to him.
clop said:
Hi Clop. The true beauty of tripping balls is that, eventually, when we come back down, we can really have an appreciation as to the magnitude of correct wiring connections that allows us to sense the world where we live now in a way that mostly makes sense.
Things don't wobble so much.
Sights, sounds, tastes and emotions are more or less understandable and so very beautiful.
Consider then for a moment that there could well be an intelligent, if slightly sadistic, design behind all this that we have for such a brief and terrible, incredibly pleasurable moment.
It must have taken some real hard work to lay down the initial code that allows all our molecules to function together in a way that can coherently decipher light, sound, physical and emotional sensations. (If there is indeed no intelligence behind this development that somehow mutated unstable quarks into you and me then that is even more incredible and worth a bit more of our patience).
Some altered states have hurt my brain so much that the only thing that got me through was the belief that sooner or later I would be able to compute and process my surroundings with the help of that wonderful code again.
It might well have taken 14 billion years to write this code and even if it is still in the pre-alpha stage, overflowing with bugs and balancing issues, it is a true masterpiece and could be the greatest labour of love ever created.
I would strongly urge anyone who would listen to me not to pull the plug on that system. Perhaps at the very worst case, just repeatedly mash Alt-f4 and ctrl-alt-delete until something boots back up.
The circuits will fry themselves beyond repair eventually and without that incredible code....well... trying to process all this data could be really, really terrible. Quite possibly for eternity.
JCpenny420 said:
This ^^^ Please do not entrust your life to what you have listened to from a UTUBE guru/life coach/celebrity. Most of them are just self centred narcisists. And i would definitely not trust the words of a narcissist who had just taken DMT or 5MEO dmt each day for 30 days as i do not think that it is conducive to any kind of critical thinking. I went 15 minutes into that video and red flags were waving all over the place for me.
Asher7 said:
And this^^ Clop, I don't know how old you are but if you were to suicide it is sure that you will leave people behind that will be devastated.
Yeah, i also watched some of the video.hug46 said:
And i find the idea of there being a "highest truth" a little misleading. I mean, maybe there is a highest truth.
But if the highest truth would be found in death, then, 1-you are going to get there anyway. Death is not like toiletpaper in a crisis: there is plenty of it for everyone. You don't exactly risk coming too late for it. Mister grimm reaper is not going to say:"sorry buddy, we just gave away the last stock of purest truth we had".
But 2-There being a highest truth would absolutely in no way mean that your time here on earth is wasted. Say there is a highest truth, and that it is "all is one".
Well, maybe there are individual things that are still worth having then. Maybe there are individual things that are so unique and valuable that oneness could never simply replace it.
Because it is just different. Different as not even fitting in the same scale in wich the highest truth is the highest thing on that scale.
Maybe there is a flower somewhere, or a mountain, or a tree. Maybe a book, a piece of music, a work of art. Maybe another person. That is just not on that scale at all. But so beautiful and unique, that it would simply be a waste not to see, touch, smell...experience it. Something or someone that this oneness just couldn't replace. Something or someone that is just so amazing and wonderfull, that even in the perspective of there being a highest truth, it is still incredibly important and precious for that something or someone to exist. For you. To witness and experience.
Spirochete
Rising Star
clop said:
I fail to see where the animosity is coming from. I agree my 3rd sentence could have been worded a bit better. My point is simple: why not use the medicine to find why suicide seems appealing to you? I'm sure nearly everyone here would agree that, if used properly, the medicine should never lead to, justify, or contribute to suicide, since suicide always comes from illness.
Spirochete
Rising Star
I will also add:
Knowing yourself / consciousness / awareness / introspection / knowing why you feel what you feel, think what you think, react the way you react, do what you do, is extremely beneficial / medicinal. It's vital to untying the knot of mental illness.
Knowing yourself / consciousness / awareness / introspection / knowing why you feel what you feel, think what you think, react the way you react, do what you do, is extremely beneficial / medicinal. It's vital to untying the knot of mental illness.
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