Dream DMT and MAOI's

[Freelance]

Im thinking of using a MAOI to keep naturally produced DMT from breaking down. After ~4 hours of sleep I'm going to take the test MAOI and sleep another hour or so. Does anyone have advice on which MAOI to select?

I've looked at syrian rue and standard ayahuasca ingredients and they supposedly have their own psychoactive effects. I'm trying not to taint the experience so I've scratched those off the list.

Information such as whether DMT is broken down by MAO-A or MAO-B, or both, would help me select test MAOIs. I've found conflicting information on the net. Currently I have just gotten some Rhodiola Rosea and I'm going to try the experiment with that some time this week. My time is restricted by work and exams but I'll post results as soon as they're in.

Any contributions on MAOI info would be very well received, and I'm open to suggestions and other people's experiences.

 

[universecannon]

I've looked at syrian rue and standard ayahuasca ingredients and they supposedly have their own psychoactive effects. I'm trying not to taint the experience so I've scratched those off the list.

thats a huge mistake man. Taint the experience? What does that mean? Your brain produces various MAOI substances which in all likelihood have very similar affects as the ones found in both of these plants. These are the two most interesting harmala-containing plants i've ever worked with.. both are very very powerful medicinal teachers. Also, at lower/medium doses they aren't really psychedelic..not at all at low doses really. And they definitely have interesting affects on dreams.. I've been taking one or the other daily for around a year now before bed, or during the day, and it is utterly amazing.

 

[Pup Tentacle]

These are the two most interesting harmala-containing plants i've ever worked with.. both are very very powerful medicinal teachers.

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The spice is nice, but the caapier the haapier.

 

[Freelance]

lol
Thanks for your replies. On that advice it sounds like b. caapi or syrian rue might be worth a try. Can you tell me any more about your experience universecannon? It sounds like you've taken syrian rue before bed. I'm really interested to hear how it effected your dreams as I'm also experimenting with ways to induce lucid dreams. I feel like waking DMT trips and lucid dreams are strongly related, perhaps even variants of the same thing.

A little research shows that caapi and syrian rue contain the same MAO-A inhibitors. Since I'm already in the possession of a Rhodiola Rosea extract I will try that first. I was put off by the lack of available information on its use but I just found an article that has renewed my confidence that it will work.

Monoamine oxidase inhibition by Rhodiola rosea L. roots - PubMed

The present investigation demonstrates that Rhodiola rosea L. roots have potent anti-depressant activity by inhibiting MAO A and may also find application in the control of senile dementia by their inhibition of MAO B.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[jamie]

^rhodiola does nto contain beta carbolines.

Pinoline is biosynthed from melatonin, and amongst the people who are into the whole endogenous DMT thing pinoline is thought to be a main beta-carboline maoi that plays a role in endogenous DMT or ayahuasca like experiences.

Becasue pinoline is a beta carboline and harmine is structurally very similare to pinoline, it makes sense that exogenous beta carbolines like harmine mimic the effects of pinoline..

So for what you are doing, it makes more sense to take harmine/harmaline and other beta carbolines than to just take any other kind of maoi's because I would think the beta carbolines would produce more similar brainstates to the types of brain states you are interested in.

Pinoline is synthed at night by the pineal gland from melatonin..the beta carbolines are where you want to go..looking to other maoi's like plant based flavanoids is good also but if you skip over the beta carbolines you are sort of missing the ball I would think..

Also, while I have had amny DMT like experiences at night..they do not resemble lucid dreams at all. Have you ever taken DMT? DMT and lucid dreams are not similar IME..though I do think DMT and other endogenous neurotransmitters and beta-carbolinesn do play a very large role in some states we experience at night..I have had alot of experiences that would back that up.

Harmine visions are more similar to lucid dreams IMO.

Might want to take some melatonin and even choline.

 

[Freelance]

Wow I didnt know that. So Pinoline and DMT appear to make a kind of endogenous ayahuasca brew. Ultimately I'm aiming to produce the DMT effects naturally, through meditation or whatnot. It's my preference that drugs are used as a peephole to see what I should be doing naturally. You're right I havent tried DMT, how did you guess lol? Im only going on my estimates of how things work. I expect DMT to give alot of insight, but primarily the insight of how it feels to open my own third eye. Thats why I want to make the experience as endogenous as possible.

Before bed I take 5-HTP and a B vitamin complex containing 50mg choline bitartrate. My melatonin levels shouldnt be too bad. Do you think if I took extra the body would convert it into pinoline? Its a stretch, I couldnt find anything on Pinolene stimulation. Thanks alot for your info.