Entheogens and sound

[funkyleggs]

Hello again !

Second time posting, on the same day, but as i said in the "introduction essay" section, my curiosity and learning appetite is boundless.

So as i said in my first post, i had an experience with salvia using binaural beats at the same time. The result was really stunning since i was smoking salvia from a joint and so my mind slowly shifted from "here" to "there" as i was talking to something behind me that i couldn't even see, but i really wasn't questionning that aspect at the time.

So as i'm extremely interested in meditation (with or without sound) and in experimenting with salvia i'd like to mix the two and experiment the effect of sound, or rather frequency, over a salvia trip.
A few readings and experiments lead me to beleive that the result of entheogenic trips are greatly driven by the brainwaves of the tripper himself, or at least the state of consciousness he's in before the trip (what i would define as the setting).

Therefore, i plan to experiment with salvia using a range of different frequecies/sounds (solfeggio, theta, delta, alpha, healing, chakra balancing,..) which i would meditate with about 10 minutes before the actual trip.
I would then note all of my experiences down (and draw them if i'm able to) and post them on this topic (if thats' ok with you fellow nexians?).

So before i start these experiments (in a few days or so) i'd be really interested to know if some members here have already done this kind of thing, and what has resulted from a particular combination ?
Or even just thoughts or pointers on the subject are also very welcome.

 

[Cufko]

I have never done anything like this. I do know though that the way you feel can impact your experience on entheogens a lot. It seems pretty logical to me that you can have different experiences while listening to different binaural beats. Be careful though, you don't want to listen to some binaural beats that make you feel uncomfortable when taking any drug ...

But please, do post your findings here!

 

[funkyleggs]

Hello Cufko !

Well apparently salvia use while meditating with a particular sound isn't very common considering your the only replier to this post, nevertheless it pushes me too take these experiences on board and see where it takes me.

Every sound that i'll use will be a sound or frequency that i feel comfortable with on it's own. I think i'll be starting with some tibetan singing bowl audios, i find myself responding quite well to these "celestial" sounds.
Just received my new bong today actually so i think i'll try it out tomorrow when i feel the time is right.
I'll do the best i can to describe the experiences and post them on the forum.

 

[Jdn717]

I think that it's best to separate the two and take note on how each of them affect your meditation/prayer, think about how indigenous tribes would use something as simple as a drum "O" and a stick "I" to enter into a trance.

I personally have never mixed salvia and music because I have always found salvia to be more of a deleriant that renders it's user non coherent. Thus making the music a more or less pointless if not dangerous practice. You MUST be careful. There are ominous spirits that take advantage of the delirious, mixing music may put you too deep into a trance and more vulnerable to these negative forces. I call them demons, but of course everything I am saying I speak through a Catholic mystic worldview.

 

[funkyleggs]

Not sure about the negative forces, i think that part of what you "are" or "feel" manifests itself in the non-physical. So your fear manifests itself.
So doing it in a calm, relaxed way, being careful about dosages will reduce any risk of an unpleasant trip even though risk zero doesn't exist.
Anyways, i will be as careful as i can.

 

[Mimosa_Man]

I find this extremely relaxing and it helps put me into a super meditative state before using DMT.

 

[Global]

So as i'm extremely interested in meditation (with or without sound) and in experimenting with salvia i'd like to mix the two and experiment the effect of sound, or rather frequency, over a salvia trip.
A few readings and experiments lead me to beleive that the result of entheogenic trips are greatly driven by the brainwaves of the tripper himself, or at least the state of consciousness he's in before the trip (what i would define as the setting).

Therefore, i plan to experiment with salvia using a range of different frequecies/sounds (solfeggio, theta, delta, alpha, healing, chakra balancing,..) which i would meditate with about 10 minutes before the actual trip.
I would then note all of my experiences down (and draw them if i'm able to) and post them on this topic (if thats' ok with you fellow nexians?).

So before i start these experiments (in a few days or so) i'd be really interested to know if some members here have already done this kind of thing, and what has resulted from a particular combination ?
Or even just thoughts or pointers on the subject are also very welcome.

Sorry funkyleggs, I've been meaning to reply to this thread for a few days now and I just haven't had the time nor energy. I haven't used sound as you described with salvia. The only experience with sound and salvia I have was from listening to plain ole music, and that was something like 5 years ago. It entailed my becoming greatly entangled with the music in that disorienting way that salvia is known for. I have done what you outline with DMT however.

When I did it, I wouldn't be listening to the tones before the experience, but rather during the experience. The experience that jumps to mind for me is the first time I tried such a thing. I smoked the DMT and circles, ovals and other geometries with curvature began painting the walls. When I initiated 528 Hz (one of the solfeggio tones) on a youtube vid, everything got sharper and rearranged somewhat. Then somewhere along the way the youtube video reached its end, and the sound stopped, and in that instant that it stopped, all the geometries slumped back into their original circular-ovular patterns. This was among one of my earliest DMT experiences, and so it was the first signal to me that the sound being heard has a very immediate and direct impact on the experience. The important part was that it wasn't until a few days later when I saw a cymatic representation of 528 Hz in sand (or salt or whatever medium it happened to be, I don't remember) and it matched the modified geometries I was observing when listening to the tone in hyperspace! It made me appreciate that experience even more because it felt like I was seeing the sound for itself.

Actually, now that I think of it, for a few months I did have something of a ritual with tones before I would take off. I have 9 solfeggio tuning forks (3 extra for octave extrapolation), and I would ring them 9 times each (I think). I don't know how it impacted the experiences because I'm pretty sure the experiences ran the gamut, you should feel free to devise a ritual, experiment, and see what works for you.

Now the following is just conjecture, so take it for what it is. I also don't know how this applies to the salvia experience either, but it's been my observation that in hyperspace, much of the important, sacred, euphoric and/or significant phenomena are connected with or emanate high frequencies. It should therefore seem rather counter-productive to try and induce low frequency waves (alpha, theta, delta) via binaural beats. I remember there was a study on ayahuasca somewhere that indicated that there was a great boost in the gamma frequency range (very high frequency), and to me that made sense. This isn't a dream you're trying to lull yourself into [at least in the case of DMT]. Within the experience, one tends to typically be quite alert and aware, and this kind of mental activity doesn't seem to match up to alpha, theta and delta states. Food for thought.

 

[Jdn717]

I think that part of what you "are" or "feel" manifests itself in the non-physical. So your fear manifests itself.

I completely agree. These fears, I believe, are the already present negative forces in the body that are projected during the experience . I'd just hate to see these negative forces magnified with a mind so widely opened. Great post btw.

 

[funkyleggs]

Jdn: Thank you sir ! It's been a long time since to wanted to post this on the nexus and i'm glad people resonate with it.
Haven't been able to test the salvia yet, valentine's day yesterday so was a bit busy with my love
I'll give it a try today, but i think i'll work my way up the experience by starting slow taking only meditative doses and working my way through the reverse tolerance so that it doesn't scare the crap out of me. I'm looking forward to doing every day or so, so i don't want to rush anything.


Global: Great experience ! I think the connection sound/entheogen would be greater with dmt actually. But i don't have any at the moment and have no idea when i'll be able to extract some.
Let's hope salvia has some interesting things to show me
I never thought about the frequecy wave thing though. I'll keep that in mind !
Thank you for the input global !

 

[Comradical]

If you break through sound is probably going to be irrelevant for the most part but then again I've found that external things can be incorporated into the trip in very unpredictable ways. On one salvia experience, there was a preacher on tv and I started to think he was personally talking to me (or about me). On another occasion, my trip sitter (who had never tried salvia) came to see if I was okay and I suddenly thought I was hanging out of a third-story window and he was trying to pull me back in. These may sound completely unrelated, but my main point is that the effects of external factors cannot be reliably predicted and your interpretations of them are equally unpredictable. It probably won't be a problem but proceed with caution.

 

[alank950]

In the book doorway to thought free awareness the author uses salvia and listens to Jimmy Hendrix with very interesting results calling salvia a music drug in the best sense.
Any drugs go well with music or audio/sensory additives I feel.

 

[Spirit Mandala]

I have listened to binaural beats, (gamma, theta, beta) prior to ceremonies! I find meditation generally aids in increasing the sense of "being present" / observer and assists with "mental flexibility", both of which help a lot with inner journeying! I have also found these qualities have helped with being present in the dmt breakthrough and allow some degree of navigation.
As a long standing meditator, I enjoy silence most of all and have not journeyed as yet with any sound except that of the natural jungle which can of course be magnificent.
Good luck with your adventures.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Speaking of books, Into the Void by Zoe7, is also pertinent to mention here. It's a bit hard to find and has no ISBN, but outlines a methodology using binaural beats, strobes and, of course, psychoactive substances, as well as a bunch of other, frankly weird stuff.

 

[Ishtar_Etc]

I tried a similar experiment two summers ago. I quidded salvia while sitting on the floor in silence, then after spitting out the quid I sat in a chair and listened to an isochronic tone through some very good quality headphones.

When listening to isochronic tones/binaural beats on other substances, there tends to be a lot of distraction due to hearing all kinds of voices and things buried under the tone. In this case, I saw the tone in my mind's eye. It was very odd, because I felt I was glued to this image of an expanding silver bubble rising out of a checkered floor. My mind couldn't really move beyond this image for what seemed like a good five minutes or so. It became kind of agitating, so I took the headphones off and meditated in silence.

That being said, I'd like to try it again sometime, perhaps with an isochronic tone or binaural beat featuring some pleasant droning layered over the top.